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Tuesday, April 30, 2019

A’s second baseman Jurickson Profar battling nasty case of the yips

Yogi Berra once famously said, “Baseball is 90 percent mental. The other half is physical.”

His numbers may have been a little off, but the sentiment is spot on. Jurickson Profar can certainly attest to that.

The A’s second baseman committed his seventh error of the season Monday night, leading to six unearned Red Sox runs, sending the A’s to their fourth straight loss, 9-4.

Hopefully, he won’t need to do any putting anytime soon….

 

QLE Posted: April 30, 2019 at 04:13 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: jurickson profar, yips

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   1. For the Turnstiles (andeux) Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:41 PM (#5836754)
But he makes up for it with his 35 OPS+.
   2. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: April 30, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5836758)
At this point, I am rather surprised anyone dares stand within 10 ft of Profar... He seems to be the most utterly cursed person associated with Major League Baseball.
   3. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 30, 2019 at 03:52 PM (#5836835)
-1.2 bWAR in less than a month is impressive.

   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 30, 2019 at 05:15 PM (#5836873)
His story is not over, but is he most likely the worst player ever to be ranked the #1 prospect by Baseball America? I guess Byron Buxton is in that running too.
   5. Man o' Schwar Posted: April 30, 2019 at 05:20 PM (#5836876)
Buxton had a 5 WAR season in 2017, and he's currently leading the AL in doubles. I'm not sure it's time to write him off just yet.

It's going to be tough to top Brien Taylor. Todd Van Poppel and Delmon Young are also up there (down there?).
   6. Bote Man sez Davey is MoY Posted: April 30, 2019 at 06:11 PM (#5836891)
Jurickson Profar Battling Nasty Case Of The Yips

Trevor Rosenthal: hold my beer.
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 30, 2019 at 06:16 PM (#5836894)
Trevor Rosenthal: hold my beer.
(attempts to pass beer to Profar, misses by 5 feet, Profar slips and falls in the spilled beer, breaks both femurs)
   8. Spahn Insane Posted: April 30, 2019 at 06:36 PM (#5836897)
4: Was Andy Marte ever BA's no. 1 prospect? I know he was BP's. He had a worse career than Profar's had.
   9. Davo Posted: April 30, 2019 at 06:41 PM (#5836898)
When I think of infielders who’ve dealt with the yips, the only names that come to my mind are second basemen. Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, Lourdes Gurriel....

Second base is also, of course, the position where you place the infielder with the *worst* arm. Is there a connection here or am I jumping to conclusions?
   10. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 30, 2019 at 06:46 PM (#5836900)
When I think of infielders who’ve dealt with the yips, the only names that come to my mind are second basemen. Steve Sax, Chuck Knoblauch, Lourdes Gurriel....

Second base is also, of course, the position where you place the infielder with the *worst* arm. Is there a connection here or am I jumping to conclusions?
Also presumably the infield position with the most time to think about throws before executing them. Might be a connection there as well.
   11. the Centaur Nipple Paradox (CoB). Posted: April 30, 2019 at 06:59 PM (#5836903)
It's going to be tough to top Brien Taylor


Not sure careers derailed by injuries should be considered in the same light (especially for pitchers), even if they happen because of a bar fight.

I think they're a separate category.
   12. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: April 30, 2019 at 07:39 PM (#5836915)
Second base is also, of course, the position where you place the infielder with the *worst* arm. Is there a connection here or am I jumping to conclusions?

My unscientific opinion is that the yips are related to the fact that it’s a short throw where the fielder has to tighten up mechanics to deliver the ball quickly. It’s similar to how throwing based carnival games are actually more difficult by putting the target closer to you.
   13. RJ in TO Posted: April 30, 2019 at 07:58 PM (#5836921)
4: Was Andy Marte ever BA's no. 1 prospect? I know he was BP's. He had a worse career than Profar's had.
Marte peaked at #9 in BA's pre-season rankings, according to his minor league stats page on B-R.
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 30, 2019 at 07:59 PM (#5836922)
Pops, that makes some sense on a purely intuitive level at least w/r/t position players - has there ever been an outfielder who got a noticeable case of the yips?

OTOH, it seems like your theory wouldn't apply to pitchers. Something else going on there?
   15. For the Turnstiles (andeux) Posted: April 30, 2019 at 10:00 PM (#5836973)
Khris Davis, sort of. It looks like he just has an incredibly weak throwing arm, but has said that the problem is mental, not physical.
https://www.theplayerstribune.com/en-us/articles/khris-davis-oakland-the-creature
   16. Omineca Greg Posted: April 30, 2019 at 10:15 PM (#5836982)
   17. Greg Pope Posted: April 30, 2019 at 10:23 PM (#5836989)
battling nasty case of the yips


Are there varying levels of the yips? Seems like you either have them, or you don’t.
   18. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: April 30, 2019 at 10:41 PM (#5837002)
Also presumably the infield position with the most time to think about throws before executing them.

Good theory. Related to that may be that one doesn't have to air out a lot of throws from 2B. Speaking from experience, when I'm warming up to play softball, if I'm throwing with someone who has a terrible arm and we're only like 30 feet apart, I find I have a terrible time throwing accurately because I have to throw so softly from that distance. My mechanics seem to get messed up. When I can just let it fly, I'll put it right in your glove.
   19. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 08:38 AM (#5837054)
Mackey Sasser (catcher) had the yips. Couldn’t throw the ball back to the pitcher but didn’t have that problem trying to throw out baserunners. I think it is something about having time to think about the throw, and also being a short distance throw where you have to take something off of it.
   20. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 08:42 AM (#5837056)
Also thought this from Sasser’s Wikipedia page was interesting (he’s a college coach now):

After experiencing difficulty throwing batting practice to his players, he was finally able to overcome the problem with help from psychotherapist, David Grand, PhD.


   21. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: May 01, 2019 at 08:54 AM (#5837060)
I - for about the first 5 games - played 2B in HS and caught the yips and I can still distinctly remember the creeping panic that sets on a routine grounder. I was fine on plays where I didn't have time to set myself and just had to react, catch, and throw - fortunately, with my range and quickness, this was a lot of ground balls... but anything hit right at me? I'd bounce the throw from 20 feet. I'd airmail it 10 feet over the 1B's head. I'd bean the 1B umpire or the guy on-deck. Before getting mercifully moved to DH and eventually 3B, I had even taken to sprinting towards 1B so I could underhand it.

Time just completely slows down and it feels like you've got the ball for a lifetime while your mind catalogues all the myriad of ways you can #### up the throw, all the vast area that ISN'T within the 1B's reach but very much reachable with your throw... and then you start trying to combat that by thinking about good mechanics (planting your feet, etc), then you start thinking "Uh-oh, I'm overthinking it again - stop thinking!"... which is not... a good mindset... and then your mucked up sense of time causes you to think now you've got to hurry the throw because while you've been having this time-defying internal dialogue, it's gonna be a close play on a routine grounder.....

....and then you watch the 1B give you an exasperated look and turn to chase the ball with the catcher you hope sprinted down the line to back up the throw.
   22. . . . . . . Posted: May 01, 2019 at 09:12 AM (#5837063)
Sasser could really hit. In the modern game they would’ve just moved him off the position and let him rake. He was stupidly handled.
   23. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 01, 2019 at 09:46 AM (#5837073)
I think it is something about having time to think about the throw, and also being a short distance throw where you have to take something off of it.


It reminds me of darts. I taught myself to throw darts but then I realized I don't throw them hard enough. It was easier at first to get within the vicinity of the right spot doing it that way, but now it seems like I can never improve my aim because "taking so much off the throw" means it's inherently hard to repeat the motion the same way every time.
   24. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 11:25 AM (#5837139)
I just remembered that the movie Major League II actually had a character based loosely on Sasser's difficulties:

Jake Taylor: Rube, what's going through your head just before you throw the ball back to the pitcher?
Rube Baker : I'm thinking, "Damn, I don't want to screw this up."
Jake Taylor : Well, what are you thinking when you throw a strike to nail the runner down at second base?
Rube Baker : Well, I, I'm not thinking nothing. I just throw it.


IIRC, their solution was to have the player recite lines from Playboy magazines (which he already had memorized) as he was throwing the ball back to the pitcher, in order to distract him from thinking about the throw.
   25. Dock Ellis Posted: May 01, 2019 at 12:03 PM (#5837173)
Mackey Sasser (catcher) had the yips. Couldn’t throw the ball back to the pitcher but didn’t have that problem trying to throw out baserunners. I think it is something about having time to think about the throw, and also being a short distance throw where you have to take something off of it.


There was a great 30-for-30 about Sasser and his yips, which started after a collusion at home plate that knocked his block off. He eventually went to therapy to deal with the yips, and ended up uncovering unprocessed childhood trauma of watching his brother get hit by a car when they were both very young. It was actually kind of amazing to watch that therapy in action.
   26. Rusty Priske Posted: May 01, 2019 at 02:09 PM (#5837255)
While it didn't get the same attention due to Vlad Jr. coming up, but it seems that Lourdes Gurriel may have the same issue.
   27. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: May 01, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5837269)
Things I think but am afraid to ask....

Lourdes and Yuri are brothers, right?

Oddly enough, neither wikipedia nor BB-REF note this any place I can see prominently - but Yuri is the son of Lourdes Sr and the currently active Lourdes is a Jr, so I assume so.

EDIT: Never mind... should have scrolled down to the bottom
   28. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:17 PM (#5837304)
IIRC, their solution was to have the player recite lines from Playboy magazines (which he already had memorized)
Yes, it's totally believable that a player would have read the articles in Playboy enough to have memorized them.
   29. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5837311)
Not sure careers derailed by injuries should be considered in the same light (especially for pitchers), even if they happen because of a bar fight.

I think they're a separate category.


If it isn't Taylor, it's probably Delmon Young, the #1 from 2006.
   30. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5837314)
Actually, it might be Todd Van Poppel, who's below replacement level for his career via bWAR.

Though he never strangled a valet while yelling racial slurs. Is that enough to cover a three-win gap in career value?
   31. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 01, 2019 at 04:16 PM (#5837333)

Yes, it's totally believable that a player would have read the articles in Playboy enough to have memorized them.

I know. If not for this, Major League II would have been a completely realistic portrayal of the game.
   32. How can it be QPQ if Zonk Says it isn't a QPQ? Posted: May 01, 2019 at 04:27 PM (#5837339)
Actually, it might be Todd Van Poppel, who's below replacement level for his career via bWAR.


Weird.

I remember Todd Van Poppel being a pretty fine reliever when he was with the Cubs.... and looking it up - I see I was quite right. He posted 1.4 and 2 WAR over 160 pretty fine mostly relief innings on the north side. He was.... not so good everywhere else.

Looked it up because I suspected that overlapped with Oscar Acosta doing a really good job with fastball-first pitchers - and sure enough, those were also Acosta's two years as Cubs pitching coach.

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