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Monday, February 27, 2017

A’s Sonny Gray: WBC insurance denial ‘an unfortunate thing’ - SFGate

I’m not sure exactly what this means about their health.

The A’s right-hander wanted to pitch in the second round of the WBC next month, but the insurance carrier for the event pulled the plug because Gray didn’t meet some requirements after twice missing time with injuries last year. Gray spent more than 60 days on the disabled list, he was on the DL in late August, and when he returned, he didn’t pitch more than 10 innings.
“It’s not up to us or MLB, it’s up to the insurance company,” A’s general manager David Forst said. “MLB pushed the issue and asked the insurance carrier to let him pitch, and they didn’t do it. ... He feels great. He’s throwing.”

Canada’s Russell Martin also was denied insurance coverage for this WBC because of a previous knee injury.

Jim Furtado Posted: February 27, 2017 at 08:24 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: February 27, 2017 at 07:04 PM (#5409663)
It's kind of embarrassing looking at the Team USA rotation. This is a country that produced Kershaw, Bumgarner, Verlander, Kluber, Scherzer, Arrieta, Hamels and Lester. Yet, they're sending out a rotation of Archer, Duffy, Roark, Happ, Fullmer and Smyly (Smyly, Fullmer and Happ not available in round 1).
   2. Stevey Posted: February 27, 2017 at 07:55 PM (#5409699)
This is a country that produced


Maybe better described as "This is a country luck enough for its wealthy teams to produce".

Why in the world would Kershaw risk anything for team USA when the Dodgers did all the work developing him and throwing fistfuls of cash at him for succeeding at that development? I love watching the WBC, and would love to see more top players participate, but there is a much bigger risk for baseball pitchers throwing at near top effort in March than for a lot of other athletes participating in international events. It just does not make sense for them to be involved.
   3. Cargo Cultist Posted: February 28, 2017 at 12:19 AM (#5409794)
Anyone pitching in the WBC increases their chance of injury and reduces their durability for the season, therefore doing so is stupid and counterproductive.

Why the Hell don't they hold the WBC in December? Why do they have to compete with and eff up Spring Training?
   4. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: March 01, 2017 at 04:07 PM (#5410984)
“It’s not up to us or MLB, it’s up to the insurance company,”

All insurance agents are filthy bastards. (Except me, of course.)
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 01, 2017 at 04:15 PM (#5410995)

Why the Hell don't they hold the WBC in December? Why do they have to compete with and eff up Spring Training?


That would almost certainly be far worse for pitchers' health. You're either going to have guys pitching after taking 2 months off (bad idea) or pitchers extending their throwing regimen through basically the whole off season, eliminating any down time (bad idea).
   6. Khrushin it bro Posted: March 01, 2017 at 06:08 PM (#5411093)
The best time would be right after the regular season. Nobody in the playoffs would pitch but that's still better than the turnout during spring training.
   7. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 01, 2017 at 06:34 PM (#5411102)
[6] Then it's at the same time as the MLB playoffs, though. March is the best time. It's when people are getting excited for baseball again. Also, fwiw, there are pretty strict limits on how many pitches pitchers can throw in the WBC which varies by round. I'm not sure exactly how it compares to how many they'd throw in spring games at that same point.
   8. Justin T has a centaur for a mentor Posted: March 01, 2017 at 07:18 PM (#5411119)
The WBC sucks and should not be held at all.
   9. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: March 01, 2017 at 07:35 PM (#5411127)
Agree with #8. The WBC is dumb. Just hope Buster and Brandon don't get hurt participating in it.
   10. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili (TeddyF.Ballgame) Posted: March 01, 2017 at 07:59 PM (#5411135)
For those who think the WBC is dumb, does that judgment apply to any kind of international baseball tournament, or just to this one? Put another way, what would a non-dumb version look like?
   11. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: March 01, 2017 at 08:15 PM (#5411142)
Well getting the participation of the best players in the world would have to be essential. And the players would have to care about the outcome of the games as much as they do MLB postseason. Right now most play the games with the same level of intensity as the would the All Star Game--because it's an exhibition and no one really cares about the outcome.

Who has won past WBCs? Who was the MVP of the last tournament? I'm a pretty big baseball fan, but I don't know and I don't care. It's a completely meaningless distraction during spring training every 4 years and my only interest is that the Giants players who participate don't get hurt.
   12. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 01, 2017 at 08:21 PM (#5411148)
The way I see the WBC is that it's pretty much the same as the World Cup, except that it's baseball instead of soccer which makes it that much better.
   13. JJ1986 Posted: March 01, 2017 at 08:38 PM (#5411168)
Right now most play the games with the same level of intensity as the would the All Star Game--because it's an exhibition and no one really cares about the outcome.
This is only true of the US team. The players on the other teams take the games very seriously and are thrilled to win.
Who has won past WBCs?
The DR won the last one. I think Japan won the first 2. My strongest memory is of the 2009 Dutch team with Kenley Jansen behind the plate.
   14. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 01, 2017 at 09:10 PM (#5411185)
I think Japan won the first 2.


Correct. I was rooting for Japan, so I remember them well...
   15. Bourbon Samurai, what price fettucine? Posted: March 02, 2017 at 09:47 AM (#5411320)
I love the WBC, but I'm not sure what the best time is. I suppose every four years they could take a longer all-star break and do it in the middle of the season.
   16. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: March 02, 2017 at 12:37 PM (#5411534)
For those who think the WBC is dumb, does that judgment apply to any kind of international baseball tournament, or just to this one?

The Fake World Cup That We Just Made Up will never usurp Major League Baseball as the pinnacle of the sport, and given their unique fragility, pitchers shouldn't be taking on extra work outside the games that count and that they're paid to be available for. So that means no offseason tournaments, and no starting the season a week early and/or ending it a week late to create a gap in July to do extra throwing in exhibition games. That leaves "Well, they need to throw to get ready for the season anyhow, so just put them on Cactus League pitch counts in these games that are supposed to matter" as literally the best option. So, yeah, pretty much any international tournament that wants major league pitchers can't help but be dumb.

Minor leaguers playing in the Olympics was fine, though. Ben Sheets splitting his developmental time between Huntsville, Indianapolis and Sydney instead of just Huntsville and Indianapolis seems immaterial.
   17. Rusty Priske Posted: March 02, 2017 at 01:11 PM (#5411582)
People who don't like the WBC but are okay with the Olympics have tossed logic out the window.

The WBC is great.
   18. Justin T has a centaur for a mentor Posted: March 02, 2017 at 01:19 PM (#5411594)
The Olympics blows.
   19. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: March 02, 2017 at 02:05 PM (#5411637)
People who don't like the WBC but are okay with the Olympics have tossed logic out the window.

I was "okay" with the Olympics existing in a particular form that didn't detract from something more important. I couldn't have given a #### about the competition, just as I can't give a #### about a spring-training-quality exhibition tournament.
   20. Khrushin it bro Posted: March 02, 2017 at 02:22 PM (#5411649)
The Olympics are great for most sports especially the ones that usually just have world championships like swimming or curling.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 02, 2017 at 03:09 PM (#5411741)
For those who think the WBC is dumb, does that judgment apply to any kind of international baseball tournament, or just to this one? Put another way, what would a non-dumb version look like?


I believe the argument is that there could never possibly be an international baseball tournament that doesn't suck, because pitchers should not be allowed to participate in international baseball tournaments.
   22. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: March 02, 2017 at 03:18 PM (#5411755)
People who don't like the WBC but are okay with the Olympics have tossed logic out the window.

For the record, the last time I watched the Olympics was 1996. I'll catch a glimpse here or there if I'm at a sports bar or whatever, but in terms of making a deliberate effort to watch the Olympics, I haven't bothered with them in 20 years. I just don't care about most of the sports.
   23. Khrushin it bro Posted: March 02, 2017 at 03:52 PM (#5411808)
Proof that the Olympics are awesome.
   24. stig-tossled,hornswoggled gef the talking mongoose Posted: March 02, 2017 at 03:56 PM (#5411814)
The Olympics="physical activities certain TV-aholics pretend every four years to give the slightest damn about."

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