Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Monday, September 01, 2014

Astros Fire Bo Porter

The Astros have fired manager Bo Porter, according to a team press release.  Bench coach Dave Trembley has also been relieved of his duties.  Tom Lawless will be the club’s interim manager for the rest of the 2014 season.

The District Attorney Posted: September 01, 2014 at 12:19 PM | 62 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: astros, bo porter, dave trembley, managers, tom lawless

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4783109)
Wow. Not that I disagree with the firing of Porter - who seemed overmatched - but wow.
   2. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 01, 2014 at 12:30 PM (#4783112)
Bo Porter has as less foresight than Justin Verlander. At least Verlander only has to pretend to he embarrassed by his actions.
   3. McCoy Posted: September 01, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4783122)
It never act like it is him or me because sometimes they might just pick the other guy.
   4. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4783130)
Yeah, this had nothing to do with Porter's baseball manager skills. This was obviously a power struggle between Porter and Luhnow, and Porter was never going to win that one. Porter seems like a decent guy, and I hope he gets another chance, but the Astros really had no choice, given how far out of hand the situation seems to have gotten.
   5. The Duke Posted: September 01, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4783131)
Bo was winning too much and ruining their draft position -- he needed to get more in tune with the organizational philosophy
   6. greenback calls it soccer Posted: September 01, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4783133)
Tom Lawless was once traded for Pete Rose. Tom Lawless may be the worst player in the history of baseball to hit a home run in a World Series game.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4783156)
I seem to remember Lawless being like the last guy on an Opening Day roster to get a hit one season, and he got his first hit in like June.

Anyway, yea Bo Porter is terrible at playing "Game of Thrones."
   8. Weratych Posted: September 01, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4783168)
How does someone who spends hundreds of millions on a franchise allow someone like Luhnow-tic to hire or fire anybody? Why name interim Manager?Luhnow-tic is such a genius, who better to manage than than himself? If you are that smart and intelligent to kick everybody's butt from your box, put the uniform on and take it to the dugout. Do the math Luhnow-tiic, your good at it.. With you in dugout and on field you might be able to secure playoff spot. And then we all know you would outsmart everyone in playoffs and win your first non fantasy league world championship. We know you were the sole reason St. Louis won a couple but, u didn't have title of G.M. This will prove to everyone that Abner Doubleday nor Connie Mack could hold your jock. Luhnow-tic, a jock is something you wear when you play sports to support yourself in an area that many question that you have. As for Bo, he's now enrolling in classes at Rice so that he can get whatever degree it takes to go to work at NASA so that he can chase his dream of becoming scouting director..
   9. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 02:49 PM (#4783179)
And the opportunity for Houston-area breweries to market a "Fire Bo" porter has passed.
   10. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: September 01, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4783194)
Tom Lawless may be the worst player in the history of baseball to hit a home run in a World Series game.
Pimped that #####, too.
   11. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: September 01, 2014 at 04:59 PM (#4783241)
Tom Lawless may be the worst player in the history of baseball to hit a home run in a World Series game.

You're right, but there's maybe a case to be made for Kurt Bevacqua, who hit two home runs and went 412/444/882 in the 1984 World Series. By BBRef WAR, Bevacqua was a replacementish hitter, replacementish base runner, and a bad fielder. By WAR, Lawless was a replacementish fielder, a micron above replacementish base runner, and an atrocious hitter. If we accept those numbers as accurate (a huge assumption, of course), Lawless probably has more place on a MLB roster, at least on a roster with a 1980s-size bullpen. A guy who can field and run the bases adequately is useful to a smart manager with a good team (and a 5-man bullpen), even if the player is a zero with the bat. A guy who's a replacement level hitter and a bad fielder is a waste of space.

I guess that's not an argument that Bevacqua was worse than Lawless, just an argument that Bevacqua was more useless on a MLB roster than Lawless. And anyway it's probably wrong and Lawless was both worse and more useless. Still, Bevacqua should be remembered.
   12. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 01, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4783258)
Yeah, this had nothing to do with Porter's baseball manager skills.


Are you talking about the Bo Porter who did not know his relievers have to face at least one batter?

Who threw a hissy fit because player development had a struggling top prospect throw a session with the pitching coach? A session that appears to have worked wonders for the kid?

And who babied his players when they made the same absurd complaint? And complained to the owner that the front office wasn't letting him make all game decisions in the job he got by agreeing to let the front office have input into in-game strategies/tactics?

It's reasonable to question whether Bo has any strong managerial skills in any area.

   13. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 01, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4783262)
How does someone who spends hundreds of millions on a franchise allow someone like Luhnow-tic to hire or fire anybody


LOL, Luhnow definitely deserves criticism for poor people Management decisions/skills, such as hiring Porter, and not developing a stronger relationship with him, and the draft disaster this year they outclevered themselves into, which may have been saved if only they had better relationships with all involved.

But from a results perspective Luhnow is hard to criticize. St. Louise's player development under his watch was nothing short of amazing. And whil in the Cubs shadow right now, the farm system has gone from bottom to top tier and he's clearly put the pieces together for competitive teams in the future if the owner really will step up and provide a competitive payroll. The consensus on this site predicted another 100 loss season for the Astros this year and they were way wrong.
   14. dlf Posted: September 01, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4783263)
Still, Bevacqua should be remembered.


... if for no other reason than triggering a wonderful Tommy Lasorda rant: NSFW

Tell you what I think about it. I think that is very, very bad for that man to make an accusation like that. That is terrible. I have never ever since I've managed ever told a pitcher to throw at anybody, nor will I ever. And if I ever did, I certainly wouldn't make him throw at a ####### .130 hitter like Lefebvre or ####### Bevacqua, who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a ####### boat. And I guaran-#######-tee you this, when I pitched, and I was going to pitch against a ####### team that had guys on it like Bevacqua, I'd sent a ####### limousine to get the #### sucker to make sure he was in the mother ####### line-up because I'd kick that #### sucker's ass any ####### day of the week. He's a ####### mother ####### big mouth; I'll tell you that.
   15. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: September 01, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4783276)
Tom Lawless has zero baseball cards as cool as this one.
   16. JJ1986 Posted: September 01, 2014 at 05:50 PM (#4783280)
I really do not understand the Appel thing. I can see other minor leaguers being pissed about his promotion, but his throwing a bullpen session for the pitching coach does not seem like any sort of privilige. They were trying to fix a pitcher who was mostly broken. The extra effort devoted to doing so was because of how bad he was at Lancaster.
   17. jmurph Posted: September 01, 2014 at 05:53 PM (#4783282)
The consensus on this site predicted another 100 loss season for the Astros this year and they were way wrong.


On pace for 69-93 doesn't strike me as "way wrong"...
   18. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4783288)
I really do not understand the Appel thing. I can see other minor leaguers being pissed about his promotion, but his throwing a bullpen session for the pitching coach does not seem like any sort of privilige


I was under the impression that Porter was pissed not because it happened, but because Luhnow didn't bother mentioning it to him before Appel had the session with his pitching coach (which, according to Robothal, is protocol). Then he had to deal with players who mistakenly believed he had earned an unwarranted promotion.

Frankly, that seemed a perfectly reasonable objection on Porter's part.
   19. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4783289)
Are you talking about the Bo Porter who did not know his relievers have to face at least one batter?


I was not implying that Porter's managerial skills are first rate, but rather that they had nothing to do with his firing.
He could have been Earl Weaver during a game and he wouldn't have been able to get away with what got him fired.

Also, agree with #13.
   20. Mike Emeigh Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:01 PM (#4783291)
I really do not understand the Appel thing. I can see other minor leaguers being pissed about his promotion, but his throwing a bullpen session for the pitching coach does not seem like any sort of privilige. They were trying to fix a pitcher who was mostly broken. The extra effort devoted to doing so was because of how bad he was at Lancaster.


And because of the amount of money they had invested in him; can't ignore that. If it had been the Astros' equivalent of Dirk Hayhurst, he'd probably have been released or demoted.

Luhnow seems to get it. His talk at the SABR seminar in Boston suggests that he knows how important it is to have everyone on board before the team tries something radically different, including the on-field talent. And yet you get these kinds of stories coming out. It almost leads me to believe that there's someone (or some group of someones) who doesn't want to see Luhnow succeed.

-- MWE
   21. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:04 PM (#4783293)
He could have been Earl Weaver during a game and he wouldn't have been able to get away with what got him fired.


What was he trying to get away with?

   22. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:10 PM (#4783298)
Tom Lawless may be the worst player in the history of baseball to hit a home run in a World Series game.


I'd still go with Tommy Thevenow (15 years with a career OPS+ of 51...). In the regular season, he had two home runs in 4483 career PA, but he managed to hit an inside-the-parker off Sad Sam Jones in Game 2 of the 1926 World Series. He also hit both of his regular season home runs that season - he played 12 more years and never hit another one. Both of those were also inside-the-parkers (within five days of each other), so he never hit one over the fence in his career.
   23. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4783302)
What was he trying to get away with?


Mass murder?
   24. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4783305)
What was he trying to get away with?


Complaining publicly about his boss.

Going over his boss' head.

Gross misunderstanding of the rulebook.

Being a total dick.

Among other things.
   25. Walt Davis Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4783306)
I was gonna nominate Mike Cuellar (115/128/171) but his HR was in the ALCS. There must be another pitcher who qualifies.

(And yes, obviously Cuellar was a much better "baseball player" than Lawless, etc. but he was a worse hitter.)
   26. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4783310)
I was gonna nominate Mike Cuellar (115/128/171) but his HR was in the ALCS. There must be another pitcher who qualifies


If you're going to go that way, Joe Blanton. .108/.156/.108 in 256 PA in the regular season. The World Series home run was the only extra base hit of his career.
   27. cardsfanboy Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4783313)
I seem to remember Lawless being like the last guy on an Opening Day roster to get a hit one season, and he got his first hit in like June.


He did it two years in a row and three times total('86, '87 and '90) Although Whitey had nothing to do with 1990, it was one of the great flaws of Whitey, he refuses to use his bench players at all.
   28. greenback calls it soccer Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:46 PM (#4783315)
The Appel nonsense demonstrated that Luhnow has a few little protocol things to learn, but it also showed Porter has no clue how bosses evaluate non-athletes.

(And yes, obviously Cuellar was a much better "baseball player" than Lawless, etc. but he was a worse hitter.)

Yeah, but pitchers have to bat, and eventually they'll run into one. Position players who suck really aren't supposed to start (let alone play) in World Series games.

My pitching nominee would be Mickey Lolich, but Blanton is worse.
   29. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4783321)
Complaining publicly about his boss.


Do you have evidence of this. Because there weren't any public complaints in the piece linked here the other day.


Going over his boss' head.


Did he try to go to the boss first? Moreover, if you feel your boss isn't properly communicating with you, what the hell else are you supposed to do but go over his head?

Gross misunderstanding of the rulebook.


A one-time thing that, if I'm not mistaken, was the result of misunderstanding an actual rule change before that season. And, of course, really amounted to nothing.

Being a total dick.


That always struck me as a trait prized by baseball.

So what exactly were you referring to Astro?
   30. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: September 01, 2014 at 07:01 PM (#4783325)
In the 2005 World Series, three Astros hit home runs. Morgan Ensberg, Jason Lane and Mike Lamb.

In the 2006 World Series, two Tigers hit home runs. Sean Casey and Craig Monroe.

Others in the last 20 years:

Geoff Blum
Jay Payton
Bobby Kielty
Garrett Atkins
Scott Spiezio
Chad Curtis (twice)
Jim Leyritz (twice)
Craig Counsell
Rod Barajas
Mark Bellhorn
   31. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4783329)
In the 2005 World Series, three Astros hit home runs. Morgan Ensberg, Jason Lane and Mike Lamb.


And the winners got homers from Geoff Blum and Scott Podsednik, the latter of whom also homered in the ALDS after hitting no homers during the regular season.
   32. greenback calls it soccer Posted: September 01, 2014 at 07:40 PM (#4783338)
Do you have evidence of this [complaining publicly about his boss]? Because there weren't any public complaints in the piece linked here the other day.

How do you think this stuff got out? Complaining about your boss to your buddies, who then mouth off to Rosenthal, isn't excusable either.
   33. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 07:51 PM (#4783342)

How do you think this stuff got out? Complaining about your boss to your buddies, who then mouth off to Rosenthal, isn't excusable either.


And, if that's what happened, you'd be right. But you're just guessing here.

I think there's any number of ways this got out. If Luhnow's people though it would make Porter look bad (which was one result, based on the small sample of the Primate response) and grease the wheels for his exit (which, of course, happened) they could have been Robothal's anonymous sources.

Or, if other people in the Astros org. thought it would make Luhnow look bad, they could have done it.

I see reason no reason why it had to be Porter's pals behind it.

   34. McCoy Posted: September 01, 2014 at 07:54 PM (#4783345)
No matter how it got out the fact that Porter verbalized his views to anyone but himself was a very bad decision. You go above your boss or you make your boss look bad and there will be repercussions.
   35. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 08:13 PM (#4783351)
So what exactly were you referring to Astro?


Just want to be clear that #24 was not me. I believe the only thing that got Porter fired was the rift with Luhnow.
I suspect there were many small issues that eventually became too much to ignore. I certainly don't think Porter is a dick, or that his much ballyhooed rules misinterpretation was that significant. As I've said before, I actually like Porter, but it's obvious Luhnow felt he couldn't continue with the current environment. Many Astro fans thought Porter was more or less a caretaker manager, but his tenure ended sooner rather than later.
   36. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 08:24 PM (#4783355)
Just want to be clear that #24 was not me. I believe the only thing that got Porter fired was the rift with Luhnow.


I knew it wasn't you. I was just repeating the question since 24 wasn't very helpful.

So it wasn't really a sense of "getting away with anything", rather just your typical manager-GM relationship not (or no longer) working?

I certainly don't have a problem with the Stros deciding it was time to go another way. I just don't see any obvious evidence that Porter did anything terribly wrong here.* If your boss won't communicate with you, as was his primary charge (and one with some merit, it seems), then taking that concern upstairs strikes me as quite reasonable.

* Giving him (and everyone else) the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't the anonymous source.

   37. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: September 01, 2014 at 08:32 PM (#4783357)
The Astrocult encapsulates much of what's so lame about MLB ca. 2014.
   38. greenback calls it soccer Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:03 PM (#4783372)
I see reason no reason why it had to be Porter's pals behind it.

Don't get hooked on the pals part. The only person who should've heard Porter's complaints was Luhnow.

Taking your complaints about tiddly winks stuff like Appel's bullpen session to your boss's boss is always a good way to get fired. If Luhnow thinks he's going to be second-guessed by his field manager on these kinds of matters, then the termination of Porter's employment strikes me as quite reasonable. Nobody has the time or energy for this.
   39. SteveM. Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:08 PM (#4783377)
I don't get the love around here for the Astros and Luhnow. But does it really matter since Houston residents can't see them on TV anyways?
   40. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:17 PM (#4783383)
Don't get hooked on the pals part. The only person who should've heard Porter's complaints was Luhnow.


And if taking complaints to Luhnow proved unsatisfactory, certainly possible considering his primary objection was that Luhnow doesn't communicate with him, then going above him would be the next logical step. For anyone other than an unpopular manager, I suppose.

How it got out, and why, remains unknown.
   41. McCoy Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:34 PM (#4783389)
That isn't really the next logical step for middle management. If your boss isn't telling you things and you complain to him and he either "oh wells" it or pays lip service to it while still not changing your next logical step is to decide whether or not you want to live with the situation or not. If you cannot I suggest you find a different employer and if you can then life moves on. Going above your boss's head is probably the worst possible next realistic step.
   42. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:42 PM (#4783392)
So it wasn't really a sense of "getting away with anything", rather just your typical manager-GM relationship not (or no longer) working?


That's how I see it. All indications are that Luhnow could be better at communicating, but if he feels the manager is no longer on the same page he doesn't have much choice but to find someone else.

I don't get the love around here for the Astros and Luhnow.

Huh? I get the impression around here that Houston is the 2nd most evil franchise in baseball!
   43. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:45 PM (#4783393)
So it wasn't really a sense of "getting away with anything", rather just your typical manager-GM relationship not (or no longer) working?


Looking at my original post, I was referring to the reports that Porter went to Crane to complain about Luhnow.
I could go over the head of my boss, but I would certainly be aware that it could have very bad ramifications.
I would certainly exhaust every other option first. Maybe Porter felt like, "the hell with it" I can't take it anymore.
I don't know.
   44. Kiko Sakata Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:49 PM (#4783400)
Taking your complaints about tiddly winks stuff like Appel's bullpen session to your boss's boss is always a good way to get fired.


In the article on MLB.com about the firing, it says that

Porter didn't deny the report [from Rosenthal], except to say Friday he hadn't talked with Crane about his relationship with Luhnow as the story claimed.

Luhnow said Monday the report had "numerous inaccuracies."
   45. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:53 PM (#4783404)
That isn't really the next logical step for middle management. If your boss isn't telling you things and you complain to him and he either "oh wells" it or pays lip service to it while still not changing your next logical step is to decide whether or not you want to live with the situation or not.


And if you decide that either things have to improve, or you'd rather not work there, then it's a perfectly reasonable step.

If you cannot I suggest you find a different employer and if you can then life moves on. Going above your boss's head is probably the worst possible next realistic step.


No it isn't. It may not have been the best decision by Porter, or the best read of the situation* but the idea that one can't take concerns up the food chain is asinine. But getting fired wasn't the only possible outcome.


I could go over the head of my boss, but I would certainly be aware that it could have very bad ramifications.


That is obviously true. It's not guaranteed, but it certainly carries considerable risk.
   46. McCoy Posted: September 01, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4783407)
And if you decide that either things have to improve, or you'd rather not work there, then it's a perfectly reasonable step.

Like I said in the very next line if you can't live with it you should be looking for another job. Going over your boss's head because you don't care if you get fired or not is not really an adequate rebuttal to what I said.


No it isn't. It may not have been the best decision by Porter, or the best read of the situation* but the idea that one can't take concerns up the food chain is asinine. But getting fired wasn't the only possible outcome.


If the boss that you're running to hired the boss your complaining about and that boss hired you you're basically asking to get fired or in serious trouble if you go over your direct boss's head. In certain corporate setups you can go over your direct boss and possibly be rewarded or not face reprisals. The setup that Porter was in was not one of those setups.
   47. Cargo Cultist Posted: September 01, 2014 at 10:11 PM (#4783413)
If your boss is seriously wrong and lives are at stake and he can't be convinced that he's wrong, then ethically you're required to go over his head.

I had to do it in a critical situation one time, and as a result I was promoted afterwards
   48. Greg K Posted: September 01, 2014 at 10:17 PM (#4783415)
And the winners got homers from Geoff Blum and Scott Podsednik, the latter of whom also homered in the ALDS after hitting no homers during the regular season.

I could be wrong, but I believe Geoff Blum's World Series slash line is 1.000/1.000/4.000. Which has got to be in the top ten all time at least.
   49. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: September 01, 2014 at 10:20 PM (#4783416)
Like I said in the very next line if you can't live with it you should be looking for another job.


Or, you see if the situation can be improved.

If the boss that you're running to hired the boss your complaining about and that boss hired you you're basically asking to get fired or in serious trouble if you go over your direct boss's head.


Unless the boss you're running to agrees with you, which is always a possibility.

In certain corporate setups you can go over your direct boss and possibly be rewarded or not face reprisals. The setup that Porter was in was not one of those setups.


YOu don't know that.
   50. base ball chick Posted: September 01, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4783426)
and here i heard tell that luhnow and gang were all starry eyed about bo when he interviewed about how perfect he was and the others all just immediately were cxrossed out and how bo was in poifect hamony with luhnow and the computer guys

and now they are gonna interview the same guys they interviewed 2 years ago who they rejected the minnit they met bo

the astros last 4 managers were all fired just about sept 1 - regardless of where the team was at

phil garner aug 28
cecil cooper- sept !!!!! 22
brad mills - aug 28

and now bo

seeing as how i don't have all the ins i used to and seeing as how i can't watch games even if i wanted to which i don't and seeing as how the chron isn't available on line any more and seeing as how they have always gone along with whatever the team wants them to say

i can't tell if bo was hated by the players near as much as cecil cooper was. or if he was truly an incompetent boob, like cooper was. but winning with a team as continuously bad as the astros is not gonna be possible.

and managing knowing you are expected to lose and to continue losing is tough. especially seeing as how the manager doesn't have anything to do with who plays and who plays where and who is going up or down. and who knows what luhnow ever promised bo in the first place.

luhnow handled the appel thing very VERY badly. to put it mildly. minor leaguers aren't treated according to how they play but according to how much money the team has paid them

it would be interesting to know if bo had ANY say about ANYTHING. from what i can tell about brad mills HIS last year, he didn't




   51. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: September 01, 2014 at 11:06 PM (#4783429)
I was waiting for Lisa to post here , I was curious as to you take on it.

And it sure seems hard to follow your team there in Houston.....

   52. kthejoker Posted: September 01, 2014 at 11:33 PM (#4783441)
If this was just standard GM-manager incommunicado stuff, it would've happened during the offseason.

I'm not conspiratorially minded, so the simplest explanation is Porter passed stuff on to the media that shouldn't've been.
   53. base ball chick Posted: September 01, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4783443)
jim

you can follow if you go to ballgames, which i don't
or if you have comcast, which we don't

otherwise - nope. the astros don't get talked about much on the sports radio stations, they broadcast on a weakass frequency that you can't actually HEAR all over harris county, and they basically don't exist.

it's such an unbelieveable change from 10 years ago i can't hardly believe it.

houstonians, (because there aren't fans anywherse else no mo, pretty much) don't like jim crane who is a cheap shtthead or his crappy RSN that bout nobody even gets or his love of losing. They looked really bad, REALLY bad in june with the shtt they pulled with the draft - even worse than drayton forfeiting his top 2 picks in 07 to sign FA - at least he got SOMEthing. And he didn't value losing.

That and the dislike of DHball. instead of baseball.

you know that the astros don't broadcast at all in El Paso, anywhere in the valley, (in english or spanish) midland-odessa or anywhere in their "territory" in new mexico and that you can't hear their stupid shtty weakass station in galveston or huntsville.

they just suck the big fat hairy one is what they do. ruined the team. ruined the fan club. dumped the rest of their fans in texas

and they think they are gonna do miracles by hiring that shtthead nolan ryan back. yeah. surrrrrre
   54. Zach Posted: September 02, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4783451)
If your boss is seriously wrong and lives are at stake and he can't be convinced that he's wrong, then ethically you're required to go over his head.

I had to do it in a critical situation one time, and as a result I was promoted afterwards


That's kind of the exception that proves the rule, though, isn't it?

If somebody comes to you and asks you why you went over your boss's head, saying "I sincerely believed lives were at stake" is a pretty good reason.

If you get fired and have to explain it to your wife, "I sincerely believed lives were at stake" is a pretty good explanation.
   55. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 02, 2014 at 01:24 AM (#4783461)
luhnow handled the appel thing very VERY badly. to put it mildly. minor leaguers aren't treated according to how they play but according to how much money the team has paid them


Appel was probably the best pitching talent in the organization. Despite the 9.7 ERA before the session his periphials weren't terrible other than HR allowed. You can't ignore the potential and focus on the performance only. And you cant give up on a top talent this quickly.

And clearly the results of the session, a 3.69 ERA at a higher league justify it. But yea, Porter was owed a headsup, that speaks poorly of Luhnow that he didn't get one and makes Bo's reaction more understandable.
   56. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 02, 2014 at 01:34 AM (#4783464)
They looked really bad, REALLY bad in june with the shtt they pulled with the draft - even worse than drayton forfeiting his top 2 picks in 07 to sign FA - at least he got SOMEthing


They got a #2 pick next year, which if Aiken busts, esp.if by injury, will make their decision brilliant.

If Aiken doesn't bust, The Astros will look 10 times dumber than they do now.
   57. base ball chick Posted: September 02, 2014 at 01:54 AM (#4783468)
reggie

who knows if appel is the best pitching talent? he is the EXPENSIVE pitching talent, which is what matters.

other guys get their panties in a wad because they don't get extra special sessions with strom to help THEM get better and they are left at that hellhole of a pitching wasteland. and the guys who were pitching well there aren't getting anything special

the guys know that expensive pimpees are gonna get expensive extras because that is how life is

but you want to keep peace and you don't want a lot of furious, unhappy, jealous males all ########, so if you are The Leader like luhnow is supposed to be, you use your braisn and don't have guys make surprise appearances when other guys have no idea why said pimpee is THERE

this year's draft the astros lost THREE top prospects playing pinch the penny games with aiken. you are talking about THREE guys having to be a bust AND next year's number 2 being evan longoria

   58. McCoy Posted: September 02, 2014 at 08:42 AM (#4783510)
If your boss is seriously wrong and lives are at stake and he can't be convinced that he's wrong, then ethically you're required to go over his head.

Totally different scenario than the one we're talking about.
   59. McCoy Posted: September 02, 2014 at 08:44 AM (#4783513)
Or, you see if the situation can be improved.

By going over your boss's head? Isn't that what we're discussing now and saying it isn't really a good idea to do?


Unless the boss you're running to agrees with you, which is always a possibility.


He may very well agree with you but so what? You're now in the crosshairs of your immediate supervisor. The one who hired you and has the power to fire you.

YOu don't know that.


I don't know it with 100% accuracy but I can certainly infer it and assume it to be true.
   60. Ron J2 Posted: September 02, 2014 at 09:12 AM (#4783528)
#11 He was also the emergency catcher. That kind of thing is very helpful in the battle for the last roster spot.
   61. winnipegwhip Posted: September 02, 2014 at 11:11 AM (#4783635)
Tom Lawless may be the worst player in the history of baseball to hit a home run in a World Series game.


I did a quick <ctrl> <f> to entered Jim Mason's name to this page. With no one else responding with the shortstop's name I will submit it in response to #6's comment.
   62. ReggieThomasLives Posted: September 02, 2014 at 10:50 PM (#4784256)
this year's draft the astros lost THREE top prospects playing pinch the penny games with aiken. you are talking about THREE guys having to be a bust AND next year's number 2 being evan longoria


QFT.

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Harry Balsagne, anti-Centaur hate crime division
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogDave Kreiger: New Baseball Hall of Fame voting rules
(36 - 3:16am, Sep 16)
Last: MelOtt4

NewsblogBowman: A year’s worth of struggles leads reason to wonder what changes are in store for the Braves
(14 - 2:47am, Sep 16)
Last: zachtoma

NewsblogSteven Matz, other top minor league Mets to be honored at Citi Field on Monday
(5 - 2:28am, Sep 16)
Last: Win Big Stein's Money

NewsblogPapelbon blows lead, gets ejected for crotch-grabbing at fans
(61 - 1:32am, Sep 16)
Last: Dog on the sidewalk

NewsblogOT: Politics, September, 2014: ESPN honors Daily Worker sports editor Lester Rodney
(2508 - 1:24am, Sep 16)
Last: Joe Kehoskie

NewsblogA’s lose Triple-A Sacramento affiliate
(16 - 1:18am, Sep 16)
Last: the Hugh Jorgan returns

NewsblogOT: NBC.news: Valve isn’t making one gaming console, but multiple ‘Steam machines’
(813 - 12:15am, Sep 16)
Last: Win Big Stein's Money

NewsblogOMNICHATTER 9-15-2014
(78 - 11:46pm, Sep 15)
Last: RollingWave

NewsblogHeyman: Mariners have decided not to retain the ice-cream buying scout
(4 - 11:45pm, Sep 15)
Last: SoSHially Unacceptable

NewsblogSports Bog: Fans Switch From Skins to Nats
(62 - 11:41pm, Sep 15)
Last: boteman is not here 'til October

NewsblogCalcaterra: Derek Jeter got a bucket of crabs and a captain’s hat from the Orioles
(12 - 11:41pm, Sep 15)
Last: Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread, September 2014
(219 - 10:43pm, Sep 15)
Last: frannyzoo

NewsblogOT August 2014:  Wrassle Mania I
(161 - 10:11pm, Sep 15)
Last: NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!)

Newsblog10 Degrees: Why WAR doesn’t always add up
(340 - 9:46pm, Sep 15)
Last: cardsfanboy

NewsblogOT: September 2014 College Football thread
(245 - 9:20pm, Sep 15)
Last: spike

Page rendered in 0.6124 seconds
53 querie(s) executed