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Thursday, April 10, 2014

Astros game gets a 0.0 TV rating again

SoCalDemon Posted: April 10, 2014 at 10:26 AM | 42 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4683770)
What's the status of Houston's TV deal? Because this can't be good for its value.
   2. Hal Chase School of Professionalism Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4683807)
"Mr.... Mr Blutarsky....zero...point...zero."

I imagine Jeff Luhnow with pencils sticking out of his nose.
   3. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4683812)
Is there a team in Houston?
   4. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:17 PM (#4683814)
They've got uniforms and everything. It's really great.
   5. SteveM. Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4683821)
But the kids are coming! And they got Scott Feldman! What more do the people of Houston want?
   6. mathesond Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4683823)
From TFA: CSN Houston (which airs Astros games and is partially owned by the team) can only be seen in about 500,000 households in the Houston area, since it's not available on DirecTV, Dish and AT&T U-Verse. That's a sliver of the 5.6 million people in the Houston metro area.

I'm sure there's a reason why less than 1/3 of Houstonians get the channel (assuming 4 ppl per household), but I bet it's not satisfactory to the channel or the club
   7. devo Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4683852)
Forgive the pedantry, but if we assume four people a household then 500,000 households would actually represent more than a third of the metro area's population. Not that slightly over a third means much more to the club than slightly under a third.
   8. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4683853)
"Mr.... Mr Blutarsky....zero...point...zero."

I imagine Jeff Luhnow with pencils sticking out of his nose.


I guess he's going to become a senator!
   9. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4683856)
Assume four people a household? Is that right? Tons of households are people without children or even living alone.
   10. BDC Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:15 PM (#4683869)
Most people who discover that they can get Astros games on cable cancel their cable or move out of state.
   11. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4683882)
It will be interesting to see how the TV and attendance numbers recover when the Astros become respectable again. The first time that the BP "tank it all and scrounge up draft picks" theory has ever been tried in real life.
   12. Karl from NY Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4683884)
So what does that "0.0" actually mean? Obviously it's not literally zero people watching the game. Does it just mean 0.049 or worse so it gets rounded to 0.0 at the first decimal point?
   13. dr. scott Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:31 PM (#4683891)
So what does that "0.0" actually mean? Obviously it's not literally zero people watching the game. Does it just mean 0.049 or worse so it gets rounded to 0.0 at the first decimal point?


Its from a sampling, so it is possible that so few people are watching, that none of the sample were watching... but its important to know the error bars. its possible then negative people were watching. I do not find this surprising.
   14. devo Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:41 PM (#4683897)
Assume four people a household? Is that right? Tons of households are people without children or even living alone.


This is a better point, actually. Recent census puts the American average at 2.61 people per; so, if we assume that Houston falls in line with the average, CSN Houston only reaches approximately 1.35 million of the 5.6 million in the metro area.
   15. mathesond Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4683904)
I expected 4 ppl to be quite high, but felt it better to err on the side of over-estimation. What threw me off was the 500,000 households/5.6 million population line - I didn't realize they weren't both 'people' numbers, and was stunned that less than 10% of the population got the channel.
   16. Barnaby Jones Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4683905)
Aren't neilsen ratings renowned for being dumb?
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:57 PM (#4683907)
What threw me off was the 500,000 households/5.6 million population line - I didn't realize they weren't both 'people' numbers, and was stunned that less than 10% of the population got the channel.

Yep, and if it is 30%, that's still not exactly "a sliver".
   18. zonk Posted: April 10, 2014 at 02:00 PM (#4683909)
Bad, cheap, and unwatched is no way to go through life, son.
   19. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 10, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4683917)
So what does that "0.0" actually mean? Obviously it's not literally zero people watching the game. Does it just mean 0.049 or worse so it gets rounded to 0.0 at the first decimal point?


It means that none of the TV sets monitored by Neilson in the area was tuned in to the game. In this case, there were 579 sets in the area that were monitored, and not a single one was watching the game.
   20. TRBMB Posted: April 10, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4683918)
This could mean MLB is in danger of folding. Baseball might be dead. Hopefully the collapse will not be complete until after this year's SABR convention in Houston. That way we members can be present at the end of baseball history.
   21. dr. scott Posted: April 10, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4683951)
It means that none of the TV sets monitored by Neilson in the area was tuned in to the game. In this case, there were 579 sets in the area that were monitored, and not a single one was watching the game.


With those number of sets this is correct. For there to be less than 0.05% of households watching and still have 1 household watching, there would have to be at least 2001 people in the sample for it to round to 0.0.

Do the sets in the samples ever include TV's in bars? that is where i watch most sports, and I have to assume that sports bars have the games on... if not... wow.
   22. Hal Chase School of Professionalism Posted: April 10, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4683963)
Most people who discover that they can get Astros games on cable cancel their cable or move out of state.


"I've gotta tell you boys, we've got a lot of the gizmos and they just don't work. Every time we flash the Deflator Mouse signal, he disconnects his phone and leaves town for a week."
   23. Kiko Sakata Posted: April 10, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4683965)
Do the sets in the samples ever include TV's in bars? that is where i watch most sports, and I have to assume that sports bars have the games on... if not... wow.


It was Monday night's game which would have been competing with the NCAA men's basketball final. I suppose a bar with multiple TVs might have stuck the Astros game on one of them, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that nobody in the bar was bothering to actually watch that TV.
   24. Karl from NY Posted: April 10, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4683980)
For there to be less than 0.05% of households watching and still have 1 household watching, there would have to be at least 2001 people in the sample for it to round to 0.0.

Thanks. I just assumed Nielsen must work with sample sizes in the 10ks or so. I had no idea it was as small as 579. Yes, for X/579 to round to 0.0%, X must literally be zero indeed.
   25. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: April 10, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4684015)
Most people who discover that they can get Astros games on cable cancel their cable or move out of state.


OK, made me laugh, but it stinks that this is two years running that I can't watch my team on Direct TV. Yes, if any two years were going to be unwatched, these two were as good as any, but now I've gone and caved in and ordered MLB Extra Innings, so not only can I see every team but Houston, but also I'll probably get addicted to Cleveland Indians games or something. Last time I had MLBXI (2004) I ended up watching way too many Red Sox games.
It's like crack; I'm already looking forward to staying up late this weekend and watching the Oakland-Seattle games.

And, yes, I would watch the Astros if they were on.
   26. steagles Posted: April 10, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4684017)
It means that none of the TV sets monitored by Neilson in the area was tuned in to the game. In this case, there were 579 sets in the area that were monitored, and not a single one was watching the game.
thinking about it, if only 30% of the market has the channel and can actually watch the astros game, then you're only looking at ~200 boxes that could be watching the astros but aren't.
   27. Kiko Sakata Posted: April 10, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4684030)
but now I've gone and caved in and ordered MLB Extra Innings, so not only can I see every team but Houston, but also I'll probably get addicted to Cleveland Indians games or something


This is the big danger to the Astros, I think. In this day and age, there's no real reason to tie your fandom to your metropolitan area. It's almost as easy, and far more rewarding, to be a Cleveland Indian fan while living in Houston as to be an Astros fan. I think it's going to be very, very hard to recover from 3 (or more) straight seasons of >105 losses, but I suppose we shall see if the Astros ever win that 63rd game one of these years.
   28. dr. scott Posted: April 10, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4684036)
This is all because the stadium used to be called Enron field isn't it?

Its the gift that keeps on giving! Rolling blackouts and more wins for the A's.
   29. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: April 10, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4684055)
In this day and age, there's no real reason to tie your fandom to your metropolitan area.


This is true. I'm in no danger of changing my allegiance, no matter how many 100 loss seasons, but casual Astros fans, however, are certainly at risk of being lost (and I'm sure many already have been lost). And not just the front-runner types, like here in Austin, who all of a sudden become Ranger fans, but also fans closer to Houston. No matter how bad the team, not being on TV is a disaster.
   30. base ball chick Posted: April 10, 2014 at 08:33 PM (#4684165)
they SAY that 30% of "households" in the city of houston have comcast. we don't, and am not sure that the astros channel is definitely positively one of every single CSN cable packages, neither

same thing is true for harris county. and there are large cities in texas that don't even HAVE comcast, or didn't last i looked.

got a gf who works in a sports bar - they don't have comcast. asked someone who goes to a sports bar, he says that the astros are never on one of the TVs and if you want to see the game, you had better hope the place is empty, or they won't turn it on. which is kind of exactly the opposite of how things were like 10 years ago when everyone had clemens fever.

i really do not get the =- make sure the people who are most likely to be fans can't see the game. i mean, why on earth not have some kind of PPV service whre you can pay per game on, say MLB.tv? if you are in the astros viewing area, most of that fee would go to the astros, and a kcikback to mlb. better than a whole lot of nothing. i doubt there are all these people in non-texas states trying to watch the astros.

i told everybody that the team lost a LOT of lifetime SERIOUS fans, not just me, when their shtttball of a new owner agreed to move the team to the stupid DH league for 70 mill. you guys all be like - uh, hunh, so you are hysterical. FINEEEEEEEEE. but you go look at the almost empty stands and see for your self. we averaged 25 K a game even in the dome. go check out the academy store which this time of year used to be crammed with astros stuff and now you can't hardly find any caps or tshirts because they don't sell. you can't even find baby onsies like you used to. out of sight out of mind

but mostly, it is the plan to lose for 10 years straight, i mean "rebuild" - strategy has turned off all non-stat geeks. or fantasy ball prospect leagues. ain't nobody fooled by the - oh now we're signing great FA - meaning "ace" scott feldman and Top Relievers chad qualls and whosis. or the - oh, we have these great A ball guys and the rookie league team is a BIG WINNER!!!!! because we know damm good n well that success at the minor league level does not necessarily = success at the major league lvel and bbref is jam packed with can't miss Top Men who most certainly did.

seriously
screw them and their stupid team. because i couldn't care less no mo. at ALL. i am SO over them. i wouldn't watch them if i could. which i can't.

oh yeah - and shttball owner has almost doubled seat prices too. real smart. cheap seats were 13 bucks before he got here. now they are 25. and no more twofer tuesdays. seriously screw them. sideways.
   31. Publius Publicola Posted: April 10, 2014 at 09:05 PM (#4684176)
They just need to start playing 7 inning games. The ratings will come storming right back.
   32. base ball chick Posted: April 10, 2014 at 09:21 PM (#4684190)
kev
it ain't the bullpen
it's the whole team
   33. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 10, 2014 at 09:27 PM (#4684196)
...zero ...point ...zero.

Bad, cheap, and unwatched is no way to go through life, son.


Over? IT'S NOT OVER! Was it over when Jair Jurrjens bombed Pearl Harbor?
   34. DFA Posted: April 11, 2014 at 01:44 AM (#4684256)
Astro fans must feel disenfranchised...
   35. zonk Posted: April 11, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4684304)
Put Seligmeyer on it, he's a sneaky little ####...
   36. asinwreck Posted: April 11, 2014 at 10:11 AM (#4684370)
Oh boy, this is going to be great!
   37. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 11, 2014 at 12:08 PM (#4684485)
The paid attendance for the three game series they just finished in Toronto ranged between 13000 and 15000, but it looked a lot emptier than that. It was hard to tell because the cameramen were obviously deliberating avoiding shots of empty seas of blue, but it looked to me like there was only about 5000 people there for the Tuesday night game. The smallest crowd I've ever seen at a Jays game.

Certainly Houston being there, it being early in the season and a mid-week series had an effect, but unless the Jays can surprise everyone and contend, it looks like they might give back all the attendance boost they got last year and then some.
   38. Good cripple hitter Posted: April 11, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4684506)
The paid attendance for the three game series they just finished in Toronto ranged between 13000 and 15000, but it looked a lot emptier than that. It was hard to tell because the cameramen were obviously deliberating avoiding shots of empty seas of blue, but it looked to me like there was only about 5000 people there for the Tuesday night game. The smallest crowd I've ever seen at a Jays game.

Certainly Houston being there, it being early in the season and a mid-week series had an effect, but unless the Jays can surprise everyone and contend, it looks like they might give back all the attendance boost they got last year and then some.


I used it as an opportunity. I saw Wednesday's game from the section scouts were sitting in for only $27. I've seen it emptier, though. April's usually a dead month for baseball in Toronto, especially for midweek games. I wouldn't be surprised if attendance at Jays games went in the tank this year. They got a lot of casual interest from the big moves last year, then didn't deliver. They then had an offseason where they spent less than almost every other team in baseball. They did beef up their promotional schedule but other than that there's almost nothing exciting about this team right now.

Also: I looked it up when bbc was complaining about ticket prices, and secondary market Astros tickets are almost always more expensive than Jays tickets. How is that even possible?
   39. base ball chick Posted: April 11, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4684522)
DFA - ay-yep

GCH - the secondary market tix are obviously being sold by the astros Organization, at least THIS year. there were NO cheaper seats available, like there were before crane got hold of the team. didn't look last year. i do know they got rid of all their popular packages of season tix. a lot of people who would buy just the fri night or weekend tix got shut out.

i guess the ones buying the tix are pretty much groups and corporations. and a few people who look at a night at the ballpark as Entertainment just like a concert or movie

checked out the cheap seat sections the other day (looked at clips) and looks like only 1 section was anything like full and those are school groups or church groups. the cameras try very hard to not let viewers see how empty the stadium actually IS

really, the only way they are getting any bandwagoners back would be to have some supadupa stah homeboy like clemens. there are really no seriously popular STAHS!!!! except maybe david ortiz, like there used to be even 10 years ago - selig and the media put paid to that. there really isn't anyone that an entire city would get behind like what happened with clemens. the team was doing well of course and they had biggio/bagwell to keep things grim and "professional", but roger clemens was on a whole nother level. if i hadn't been there i wouldn't have believed it.

i supposed they thought there might could be more enthusiasm if nolan ryan came back, but no. if it was 25 years ago and he was coming here from dallas, then maybe. but not these days
   40. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 11, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4684616)
This is true. I'm in no danger of changing my allegiance, no matter how many 100 loss seasons, but casual Astros fans, however, are certainly at risk of being lost (and I'm sure many already have been lost). And not just the front-runner types, like here in Austin, who all of a sudden become Ranger fans, but also fans closer to Houston. No matter how bad the team, not being on TV is a disaster.


With the way the TV stuff has gone down with the Dodgers this year, I've watched a heck of a lot more MLB Tonight and Quick Pitch than I did in the past. I've also watched more of the Angels than I have done in a long time.

I'm not going to stop being a Dodgers fan, but the not being able to watch them is bugging me less and less everyday. I still don't like it and I guarantee you that if our cable ever starts carrying SportsNetLA, it will probably be on every night at our house. But for right now, I'm doing okay watching games on ESPN, MLBN, Fox Sports West, and FS1.
   41. base ball chick Posted: April 11, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4684673)
40

AND this is why the owners couldn't care less (could care less, whatevs) if their stupid cable station gets picked up or there are butts in the seats. because of MLBAM?ESPN/Fox

yeah, i know, yall heard it all before
   42. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 11, 2014 at 05:03 PM (#4684709)
AND this is why the owners couldn't care less (could care less, whatevs) if their stupid cable station gets picked up or there are butts in the seats. because of MLBAM?ESPN/Fox


It seems like ya'll got a raw deal with Mr. Crane. And I'm starting to think that the Cubbies got a raw deal with the Ricketts folks. Some of the stuff coming from Houston and Chicago seems eerily similar to what happened here in LA with Mr. McCourt. If McCourt would have had to chance to go the "cheap out with the ML product", I think he would have. Instead, he decided to cheap out with the minor league product instead.

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