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Friday, May 14, 2010

Astros’ Lee draws ire of Carpenter

Would you miss your Crawford Boxes
If I were not a Carpenter?

Cardinals manager Tony La Russa blamed Carlos Lee for the disagreement escalating.

“It’s really an unfortunate thing to get Carp highlighted there,” La Russa said. “Pence hits the ball out of the ballpark. Carp didn’t make a good pitch. Carp doesn’t say a word. He doesn’t say anything to the guy that hit it. It’s his mistake.

“Well, routinely now, hitters pop up a pitch they think they should deal with and they start making noises, and that really is disrespectful to the pitcher. Most of the pitchers just turn around and ignore it. Carp doesn’t. I think Carp’s right, and I think Carp’s in the right. Respect should go both ways.

“If he gets you out, he gets you out. Zip it and go back to the plate. If he gives it up, you zip it and let the guy go around the bases—or single, double, whatever it was. Most pitchers let the guy jabber. I don’t think Carlos Lee is anything special as far as a guy who disrespects, but it’s so common now. Carp will let you know.”

Repoz Posted: May 14, 2010 at 12:35 PM | 47 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. dirk Posted: May 14, 2010 at 12:48 PM (#3532474)
i'm glad i'll never have to go golfing, play basketball, ping pong, checkers, or connect four with chris carpenter.
   2. Tricky Dick Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:11 PM (#3532489)
As I watched the game, Lee didn't do anything special. As best I could tell, he yelled something (probably the F word) as he hit the ball and realized it would be a pop fly. It sounded like a spontaneous reaction; it's not like Lee had some kind of continuing demonstration as he started down the first base line...well, at least, until Carpenter yelled something at him, and then Lee stopped and appeared to say something like, "what did you say?" Carpenter over-reacted. LaRussa should realize that Lee has been in the worst slump of his career, and he is really frustrated.

By the way, LaRussa acts like pitchers never show frustration with themselves when a batter hits a long HR. On many occasions, a pitcher will yell in frustration when a obvious no-doubt HR comes off the bat of the hitter.
   3. RJ in TO Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:16 PM (#3532491)
I for one am shocked (shocked!) that La Russa is again complaining about some perceived lack of respect. That sort of thing never happens, except on days ending with a Y.
   4. Sheer Tim Foli Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:16 PM (#3532493)
Could we all agree to write down the unwritten rules so we could all be on the same page? Having them unwritten is quaint but no one seems to agree what they are. Thank-you.
   5. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:17 PM (#3532496)
Carpenter is awfully sensitive.
   6. toratoratora Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:23 PM (#3532502)
The unwritten rules are written here
http://morganensberg.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/the-unwritten-rulebook/
   7. Metman died today. Or yesterday maybe, Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:24 PM (#3532504)
The Cardinals are unbearable with their constant whining. I suppose this is what happens when you have a world class douche like TLR at the top.
   8. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:28 PM (#3532509)
TLR and Carp won't be happy until their opponents play with masks on.
   9. base ball chick Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:36 PM (#3532516)
i have seen more than a few hitters slam down their bats and shout one of the 7 words you ain't supposed to say on da tv when they swing at a bad pitch/pop up (in fact, matt holliday did it the other day when he hit that IF popup that matsui/bourn/pence all missed - and i didn't see the astros pitcher get his little self all Up Set - and yeah, holliday isn't a small woman, so he prolly dint wanna be startin somethin with somebody his own size. but i digress...)

and that little tantrum carp threw screwed up his concentration and cost him the game. he only threw 1 good pitch to pence and the one pence hit out was high, unmoving and down the middle

i like that TLR backs every one of his own guys to the death to the media - but this time, he shoulda told carp (in private) to like, say something not, um, uh, stoopid
   10. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:46 PM (#3532520)
I love watching Carp work when he's on, but even I admit he's being unbearable this season. This is a ridiculous complaint.
   11. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: May 14, 2010 at 01:53 PM (#3532523)
This whining means Carpenter is due for a perfect game.
   12. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: May 14, 2010 at 02:39 PM (#3532562)
Tony LaRussa, circa 1990 (in an alternate universe):

Well, routinely now, hitters pop up a pitch they think they should deal with pitchers like Eck strike out the #9 hitter and they start making noises, and that really is disrespectful to the pitcher hitter. Most of the pitchers hitters just turn around and ignore it. . . Respect should go both ways.
   13. salvomania Posted: May 14, 2010 at 03:00 PM (#3532594)
LaRussa is well ahead of last year's pace for making ridiculous issues out of non-issues.

How about the fact that your team is very close to having lost 8 out of the last 9, mostly against the Astros and Pirates, and only three teams in the NL---those same two and the Padres---are scoring fewer runs per game?
   14. greenback calls it soccer Posted: May 14, 2010 at 03:41 PM (#3532627)
La Russa is sticking up for his player, which is one of the better known unwritten rules. I don't have a problem with that. OTOH Carpenter is acting like a jackass, so he deserves heaps of abuse, but that's not the way the targeting system works here. Maybe if Carpenter yells at A-Rod then that will change.
   15. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 03:50 PM (#3532638)
How about the fact that your team is very close to having lost 8 out of the last 9, mostly against the Astros and Pirates, and only three teams in the NL---those same two and the Padres---are scoring fewer runs per game?

Right. The problem is that we're lousy right now. Shut up and win some games.
   16. Barnaby Jones Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:01 PM (#3532649)

By the way, LaRussa acts like pitchers never show frustration with themselves when a batter hits a long HR. On many occasions, a pitcher will yell in frustration when a obvious no-doubt HR comes off the bat of the hitter.


Greg Maddux was of course notorious for his echoing F-bombs whenever anything whatsoever went wrong.
   17. RJ in TO Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:07 PM (#3532655)
Greg Maddux was of course notorious for his echoing F-bombs whenever anything whatsoever went wrong.

Further proof that Greg Maddux was awesome.
   18. Dale Sams Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:07 PM (#3532656)
i have seen more than a few hitters slam down their bats and shout one of the 7 words you ain't supposed to say on da tv


I have never seen a batter say 'tits'.
   19. RJ in TO Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:12 PM (#3532661)
I have never seen a batter say 'tits'.

It happens all the time. Watch when they're muttering away while in their batting stance. They're asking the catcher if he's seen any nice sets of tits in the crowd.
   20. JMM Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:12 PM (#3532664)
i have seen more than a few hitters slam down their bats and shout one of the 7 words you ain't supposed to say on da tv


I have never seen a batter say 'tits'.


Well, that's usually not the moment for a lovely snack from the fine people at Nabisco. Try the new chipotle!
   21. rconn23 Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:18 PM (#3532670)
This is an absurd complaint by Carpenter.

It's OK for a pitcher to drill a guy in the ribs when he gives up a bomb or dance and fist pump like a moron following a strike out. But a hitter can't a) walk across the mound, b) get mad at himself for missing a meaty pitch c) bunt to break up a no hitter or perfect game when their team is only down a couple of runs.

This is all further evidence that pitchers are an assortment of quivering d-bags.

Except Mariano Rivera.
   22. rlc Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:20 PM (#3532674)
I wasn't certain from reading TFA, so I went to TF Boxscore:

1 out, runners on first and second, Cardinals trail 1-0
Carpenter retires cleanup hitter on popup
Carpenter objects to the manner of the cleanup hitter making his out, creates on field confrontation
Carpenter allows three run homer to next batter

Yep, that'll teach the hitters to be quiet. You definitely don't want to get Carpenter upset.

---

A question for those who follow the Cards - do his teammates realize how perfect it is to give a constant complainer the nickname Carp?
   23. villainx Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:42 PM (#3532704)
And here I was thinking Carp and Carpenter were two different pitchers, as in Carp relieved Carpenter and served up the home run.
   24. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:45 PM (#3532709)
Carpenter retires cleanup hitter on popup
Carpenter objects to the manner of the cleanup hitter making his out, creates on field confrontation
Carpenter allows three run homer to next batter


It would be great if the box scores or gamecasts actually read like this.
   25. phredbird Posted: May 14, 2010 at 04:47 PM (#3532712)
The problem is that we're lousy right now. Shut up and win some games.


bingo.
   26. deputydrew Posted: May 14, 2010 at 05:33 PM (#3532802)
Carpenter retires cleanup hitter on popup
Carpenter objects to the manner of the cleanup hitter making his out, creates on field confrontation
Carpenter allows three run homer to next batter


Too bad it was Pence and not Bret Boone. No one could flip a bat better than Boone.

Nominations for other home run exclamation points that would have been appropriate in that spot?
   27. RJ in TO Posted: May 14, 2010 at 05:38 PM (#3532810)
Nominations for other home run exclamation points that would have been appropriate in that spot?

Roberto Alomar off of Dennis Eckersley, in the 1992 ALCS. It'd have two nice links, since Carpenter is a former Jay, and La Russa was the ######### manager of that Oakland team.
   28. rlc Posted: May 14, 2010 at 05:38 PM (#3532812)
Nominations for other home run exclamation points that would have been appropriate in that spot?

Riding a Clydesdale around the basepaths while showering the infielders with warm Bud?
   29. Tricky Dick Posted: May 14, 2010 at 05:56 PM (#3532832)
Carlos Lee had this to say about the controversy:

"I guess he's allowed to yell and say anything he wants because when Lance got that hit, he was screaming and yelling and saying all kinds of stuff out there," Lee said. "But as a hitter, we can't get emotional? Why? I got a pitch to hit and got mad because I should have hit it and I popped it up. I got mad at myself."
   30. Spahn Insane Posted: May 14, 2010 at 05:58 PM (#3532834)
Carpenter really is a TLR protege, isn't he?
   31. RJ in TO Posted: May 14, 2010 at 06:01 PM (#3532841)
Carpenter really is a TLR protege, isn't he?

We'll only know for sure when Carpenter is found asleep at a traffic light.
   32. Willie Mayspedes Posted: May 14, 2010 at 06:19 PM (#3532860)
I get a kick out of a competitor getting upset at themself and swearing at themself. Getting in their head is part of the game.
   33. The Keith Law Blog Blah Blah (battlekow) Posted: May 14, 2010 at 06:27 PM (#3532871)
Cast your vote for the Carpenter
That they call the Not Serene
   34. God Posted: May 14, 2010 at 06:38 PM (#3532890)
Good thing all newspapers now keep this story on file so they can just fill in the blanks every couple of weeks.

"_____ ______ draws ire of Carpenter."
   35. asdf1234 Posted: May 15, 2010 at 05:17 AM (#3533432)
Even the 65-year-old TLR is using disrespect as a verb now. That usage now joins _def_ and _chill_ in the linguistic graveyard.
   36. Spahn Insane Posted: May 15, 2010 at 05:49 AM (#3533439)
That usage now joins _def_ and _chill_ in the linguistic graveyard.

Dissing Chris Carpenter just isn't the def, chill, fresh thing to do.
   37. CraigK Posted: May 15, 2010 at 08:56 AM (#3533458)
You're a whiny #######, La Russa.

And I say this as a Cardinals fan.
   38. Mr. J. Penny Smoltzuzaka Posted: May 15, 2010 at 12:12 PM (#3533472)
"He started it first!! He looked at me funny!! Waahhh! Waahh!!!"
   39. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 15, 2010 at 01:03 PM (#3533488)
Tony can move his mouth all he wants, but at this point it all sounds like "Rassum frassum!" to me.
   40. Downtown Bookie Posted: May 15, 2010 at 01:41 PM (#3533502)
i have seen more than a few hitters slam down their bats and shout one of the 7 words you ain't supposed to say on da tv when they swing at a bad pitch/pop up


The best story I can remember in this vein was one Alvin Dark told on himself. While batting for the Giants one afternoon in the 1950s, Dark was thrown an incredibly meaty pitch to hit, at which he swung full force...only to hit a very weak pop-up. Furious at himself for having wasted such a wonderful hitting opportunity, Dark put his Southern temper on full display, slamming his bat on home plate so hard that he broke it in two (keep in mind that this required some force, as we're not talking about the whip handled bats that are commonly used today). But this game was at the Polo Grounds, where the upper deck overhang down the lines in left and right were only about two hundred fifty feet away from home plate. Dark's popup had just enough lift to it, and the breeze that day had just enough force to it, that the next thing you knew, to the amusement of most everyone in the park, there was Dark, cursing and stomping in the batter's box, holding onto the handle of the bat that he had just smashed in two, furious beyond description at himself, all for having hit a homerun.

DB
   41. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: May 15, 2010 at 02:27 PM (#3533520)
I might be mistaken, but that Jaime Perez fellow seemed to display some displeasure on the mound when he gave up a homer yesterday. Presumably, Carpenter got in his face after the inning.
   42. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: May 15, 2010 at 02:57 PM (#3533535)
Er, Jaime Garcia. I don't know where I got "Perez"?
   43. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 15, 2010 at 03:16 PM (#3533540)
Tony must suspect his team is in long-term danger. If it was just a losing streak he wouldn't be THIS silly.
   44. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: May 16, 2010 at 12:48 AM (#3533823)
I call dibs on posting tomorrow's article about Jonny Gomes watching his 550-foot homer for 0.4 seconds before beginning his trot.
   45. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: May 17, 2010 at 04:44 AM (#3534458)
Er, Jaime Garcia. I don't know where I got "Perez"?


Last year, or two years ago, TLR had a "moment" in which he couldn't remember Chris Perez's name at a press conference. Calling him "young pitcher", as in "uh, young pitcher pitched well, too" earned him the nickname. Given that Garcia is a Young Pitcher for the cardinals, I can see how easy it would be to make that mistake.

Anyway, as a STL fan, I have been very embarrassed by both Albert and Carpenter's actions on the field this year.
   46. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 17, 2010 at 04:50 AM (#3534459)
I missed the point when Chris Perez went to the Indians. As a result, I read about forty posts in the "Chris Perez embarrassed by Kendrick bunt" thread before realizing it wasn't about Kyle Kendrick.
   47. Good cripple hitter Posted: May 17, 2010 at 05:05 AM (#3534463)
Anyway, as a STL fan, I have been very embarrassed by both Albert and Carpenter's actions on the field this year.

What did Pujols do? I don't have a chance to see many NL games, and I don't remember reading anything about it here. I thought he was typically the classiest of class acts?

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