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Wednesday, October 03, 2012

Astros prevail in first battle of 100-loss clubs in 50 years

The Astros, of all teams, recorded their third shutout Tuesday and beat the Cubs 3-0 in the first matchup of 100-loss teams since 1962…

The Cubs fell to 60-101 for the season, though that still leaves them five games ahead of the 55-106 Astros in the NL Central.

The last time two 100-loss teams met was fifty years ago, when the Cubs played the expansion Mets at the end of the 1962 season. Those Cubs finished 59-103, while the Mets, one of the worst teams of the century, went 40-120.

“One of”??  Give us some credit!!!

The District Attorney Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:39 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: astros, cubs, game recaps, history

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   1. depletion Posted: October 03, 2012 at 07:06 AM (#4252109)
Amazingly, they're in the same division. Challenge for y'all: have two 100 win teams ever played (regular season)?
   2. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 03, 2012 at 07:10 AM (#4252111)
2001 Mariners and A's.

1993 Braves and Giants

That's two coming to mind right away. I'm sure there have been more. In the pre-division era I know the 1954 Indians and Yankees both won over 100 games.
   3. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: October 03, 2012 at 07:57 AM (#4252135)
2001 Mariners and A's.

1993 Braves and Giants


Those two pairs of teams never met while both of them had 100 wins.

In 1978, two 99 win teams played a famous game.
   4. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: October 03, 2012 at 08:13 AM (#4252146)
Since playoffs to determine regular season champs are considered regular season games, it happened three times in 1962 between the Dodgers and Giants. Failing that, the last and only times it happened in a regularly scheduled game was over 100 years ago. Oct 3 and 4, 1909, the 100+ win Cubs faced the 100+ win Pirates. Seems kind of quaint, the 100 win Cubs facing the 100 win Pirates.

In the famous 1942 NL, with the Cards winning 106 and the Dodgers winning 104, the last time they played each other, neither team had 100 wins.
   5. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 03, 2012 at 08:25 AM (#4252153)
Those two pairs of teams never met while both of them had 100 wins.


Oops, I read the question as whether two teams in the same division had reached 100 wins, not had they played after having 100 wins.
   6. Spahn Insane Posted: October 03, 2012 at 08:38 AM (#4252157)
1980 Yankees and Orioles. Seems fitting to mention them today.
   7. McCoy Posted: October 03, 2012 at 09:14 AM (#4252178)
I said it in another thread but it is rather extraordinary that the Cubs could finish only 4 games ahead of the Astros this year.
   8. Rants Mulliniks Posted: October 03, 2012 at 10:01 AM (#4252243)
I said it in another thread but it is rather extraordinary that the Cubs could finish only 4 games ahead of the Astros this year.


Yep, the Astros really turned on the jets in the last month, they're actually one game over .500 since Sept. 1.
   9. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: October 03, 2012 at 10:26 AM (#4252269)
I said it in another thread but it is rather extraordinary that the Cubs could finish only 4 games ahead of the Astros this year.

The Cubs' consciously self-inflicted descent to the gutter is one of the biggest stories of the 2012 season.
   10. Ok, Griffey's Dunn (Nothing Iffey About Griffey) Posted: October 03, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4252271)
Yep, the Astros really turned on the jets in the last month, they're actually one game over .500 since Sept. 1.


Crazy season. The Astro's were 22-23 after the game on May 25 and will finish no worse than 15-15 in Sept/Oct. From May 26 to August 31 their record was 18-69...
   11. puck Posted: October 03, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4252307)
I said it in another thread but it is rather extraordinary that the Cubs could finish only 4 games ahead of the Astros this year.

The Rockies were trying really, really hard to hit 100 losses until the Cubs came for the late Sept series and were swept.
   12. depletion Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:08 PM (#4252420)
From May 26 to August 31 their record was 18-69

Wow. That is essentially going 1-4 over and over for 3 months. And some of those games were against the Cubs!
   13. zonk Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4252456)
Well, if nothing else --

Starlin Castro had a really fine September after a season stuck in neutral. Rizzo slumped significantly in August, but his September was at least within hailing distance of his very fine July.

After a dreadful June, BPJ/SPJ turned in a pretty darn fine 2nd half -- proving, I think, that he's a fine mid-rotation member.

Figure those three are probably the only most likely members of the next good Cub team - and Castro/Rizzo, at least - is not a bad core.

I like Brett Jackson a ton more than I did a year ago - when I was seriously down on him - but he simply cannot succeed striking out in half his PAs. He showed plenty of flashes, he actually maintained his minor league walk rate, and I don't think he looked clueless at the plate - but I have no idea how to deal with those K's in a way that doesn't screw him up in a bizarro Corey Patterson sort of way.

Other than that? Ugh...

I suppose Travis Wood was non-awful for the most part after he joined the rotation, so you can safely pencil him into the 4/5 slot next year. Wellington Castillo has a future as a legitimate MLB catcher. I suppose I should also give a shout out to Darwin Barney's supposed defensive WARitude.

There are probably only 4 pitchers I care to see throw on the north side next year (5 if you count Garza) -- Chapman does seem to have a live arm and Russell is perfectly serviceable.... but none of the org filler that took rotation turns (Raley, Rusin, Coleman) has any business starting another Cubs game -- even if they lose 100 again next year.

The only real gaping hole on the field is 3B - and Vitters certainly doesn't seem to be any sort of answer there. They need a couple OFers, but you gotta figure that getting similar 2013s to the years Soriano and Dejesus had in 2012 is acceptable. CF, I don't think there's any path other than hoping Brett Jackson swings at a few more pitches - and makes contact.

Don't get me wrong - I liked both the hauls we got in the Dempster and Maholm deals, but man... we need at least 2 legitimate SPs and there is just nothing in the system right now I think you can even consider rushing.
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 03, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4252472)
The Rockies were trying really, really hard to hit 100 losses until the Cubs came for the late Sept series and were swept.


All the Cubs needed to do to avoid 100 losses was to split their six games in the last week of the season with the 63-98 Rockies and the 55-106 Astros. Instead, they've dropped five straight and are looking to make it six today.

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