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Tuesday, February 11, 2014

Astros seek one-day contract for Oswalt, Berkman

The Houston Astros confirmed Monday that the team is looking to sign one-day contracts with former stars Lance Berkman and Roy Oswalt so they can retire with the team.

“We love Lance, he’s one of the best Astros ever so we’re going to do whatever works for Lance and I think we have a day set aside already to honor him,” owner Jim Crane said. “

Berkman, who turns 38 on Monday, spent 12 season with the Astros hitting 326 homeruns. For his career, Berkman hit .293 with 366 homeruns and 1,234 RBI.

Oswalt pitched for the Astros from 2001 to 2010. He was named the MVP of the National League Championship series when the team reached the World Series in 2005.

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   1. zonk Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:03 PM (#4654872)
At press time, however, the Astros were balking at the costs of the one-day contracts...
   2. Random Transaction Generator Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:06 PM (#4654874)
They are still exploring the possibility of signing them and then trading them for a cheaper retiring player.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4654876)
Sure, Richard Hidalgo would listen if the Astros called.
   4. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:23 PM (#4654888)
Oh sure they'll do it for these Johnny-come-latelys but if you're Alan Ashby or Jose Cruz you can just rot.
   5. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4654889)
Oswald went from great to useless pretty much overnight. What the hell happened there?
   6. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:27 PM (#4654890)
Back issues IIRC.
   7. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:31 PM (#4654895)
Oswalt was one of the few pitchers in my memory that I could tell, after watching one pitch, whether he was "on" that day.
   8. AndrewJ Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4654901)
When did this "one-day contract" for retiring players phenomenon begin?
   9. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4654904)
When did this "one-day contract" for retiring players phenomenon begin?


Precisely what I was going to ask. I think I did so a year or two ago; can't remember the answer, though.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4654905)
The Phillies have countered with 3-year offers.
   11. BDC Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:42 PM (#4654907)
Hey I have an idea: the Rangers could sign Nelson Cruz to a one-day contract and then he can retire, too.
   12. Hal Chase School of Professionalism Posted: February 11, 2014 at 02:47 PM (#4654918)
Oswald went from great to useless pretty much overnight. What the hell happened there?


The bullet from Jack Ruby accelerated his decline.
   13. ursus arctos Posted: February 11, 2014 at 03:01 PM (#4654933)
It's a NFL thing, isn't it?

I seem to recall Jerry Rice being one of the early examples.
   14. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: February 11, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4654939)
The bullet from Jack Ruby accelerated his decline.

Shoulda stuck with Gary Ruby.
   15. John Northey Posted: February 11, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4654957)
Just do a special day for the player during the season. That was always done in the past and worked well I thought. Halladay doing it with the Jays was odd, but seemed to be something he wanted to do (officially end where he began). When a team wants to do it though it becomes weird imo. 'Please sign with us for just one day...we need help selling the team and maybe this will get someone to buy a ticket'
   16. puck Posted: February 11, 2014 at 03:24 PM (#4654959)
Oswal[t] went from great to useless pretty much overnight. What the hell happened there?


He still had quite a good K rate and K:BB ratio but got lit up anyway. (Wow, 24% and ) LD rates in 2012 and 2012.)
   17. Moeball Posted: February 11, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4654967)
The bullet from Jack Ruby accelerated his decline.


This is the Astros we're talking about here.

Not Ruby, Truby. He killed everything including rallies.

Where's bbc? She ought to be weighing in on this topic about now.
   18. gehrig97 Posted: February 11, 2014 at 03:33 PM (#4654969)
I was saddened by Oswalt's sudden and drastic decline (I believe it was the aforementioned back issues) -- he was so good for so long, had entered into the "HOF watch" discussions, etc. Plus, I always root for the little guys who can succeed in a big man's game -- he was listed as 6', 190 lbs, but always seemed much smaller than that.
   19. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4654974)
serious question: is this considered a "real" MLB contract? Does the team have to pay him 1/365th of the league minimum?
   20. JJ1986 Posted: February 11, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4654989)
I think Halladay's was a pro-rated minor league contract, probably for a few hundred dollars.
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 04:09 PM (#4654992)
Just do a special day for the player during the season.

Concur. One day contracts are weird and pointless.

It would be cool if a player got so pissed at his team that he signed a one day contract with some random to avoid being a single-team guy.
   22. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 11, 2014 at 05:13 PM (#4655042)
I'd like to see Paul Konerko decide to retire a Dodger, go home and remember how to hit and then come back to the White Sox, having forfeited his ten and five rights.
   23. Gary Truth Serum Posted: February 11, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4655056)
The first one day contract that I ever remember was Roger (football) Craig when he retired with the 49ers in 1994. (He played with the Vikings the previous season) And I don't recall another one until they became all the rage the past ten years.
   24. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: February 11, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4655064)
These 1-day contracts really should be during the season. I also think it would be hilarious if, given the laughingstock nature of the Astros, Oswalt and/or Berkman held out for more money for their 1-day contract.
   25. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4655068)
If they actually suited up and played one game, wouldn't that actually improve the team's chances?
   26. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 05:39 PM (#4655075)
Ozzie Smith signed a one-day managerial contract with the Cardinals on the last day of the 1990 season before he retired.
   27. Astroenteritis Posted: February 11, 2014 at 06:56 PM (#4655135)
If they actually suited up and played one game, wouldn't that actually improve the team's chances?


If Berkman was the DH, then yes, it would.
   28. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 07:43 PM (#4655157)
Ozzie Smith signed a one-day managerial contract with the Cardinals on the last day of the 1990 season before he retired.


That's weird. I had him on my fantasy team at least 3 years after that.

(Must be a typo. Looks like he retired in '96.)
   29. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 11, 2014 at 09:20 PM (#4655201)
I see the articles that mention Ozzie Smith's one-day contract in 1990, but I don't understand it either. He never signed with another team after the Cardinals, so there was no reason to sign a one-day contract. If the year and team are right, the most prominent ex-Cardinal who retired in 1990 was Keith Hernandez. John Tudor finished his career that year, but Tudor actually did pitch for STL his last year. Plus, nobody liked him.
   30. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 11, 2014 at 09:26 PM (#4655204)
John Tudor finished his career that year, but Tudor actually did pitch for STL his last year. Plus, nobody liked him.

you're saying he didn't have any fans?
   31. God Posted: February 11, 2014 at 09:28 PM (#4655205)
I guess Oswalt is planning on following the Dave Stewart career path. This article says he's already working as VP of his agent's firm.
   32. John Northey Posted: February 11, 2014 at 09:31 PM (#4655206)
I like the idea of a September signing and letting the player have a final game in uniform ala Atlanta with Phil Niekro in 1987. Yeah, didn't go perfectly but fans had a final shot at seeing a guy who stared for them on the field and he got that final chance. Even if the guy just comes in to pinch run or something it'd be better than a news conference.
   33. base ball chick Posted: February 11, 2014 at 09:38 PM (#4655208)
roy-o had a really great astros career - best pitcher we ever had - meaning both years and quality

and now both him and lance have retired. i am starting to feel really really old. am glad that lance got his Ring and am sorry roy didn't
   34. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 11, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4655219)
I like the idea of a September signing and letting the player have a final game in uniform ala Atlanta with Phil Niekro in 1987. Yeah, didn't go perfectly but fans had a final shot at seeing a guy who stared for them on the field and he got that final chance. Even if the guy just comes in to pinch run or something it'd be better than a news conference.


Seeing 78-year-old Phil Niekro come in to pinch-run for the Braves in '87 would have been awesome. And probably less of a disaster for all involved.
   35. Cooper Nielson Posted: February 11, 2014 at 10:20 PM (#4655226)
I like the idea of a September signing and letting the player have a final game in uniform ala Atlanta with Phil Niekro in 1987. Yeah, didn't go perfectly but fans had a final shot at seeing a guy who stared for them on the field and he got that final chance. Even if the guy just comes in to pinch run or something it'd be better than a news conference.

Yeah, that makes more sense to me. Put the guy in uniform and let him get into the box score somehow. Signing a one-day contract in the offseason and not getting on the "official" roster seems kinda pointless. No, you didn't really retire "as an Astro."
   36. Howie Menckel Posted: February 12, 2014 at 12:48 AM (#4655274)

"Signing a one-day contract in the offseason and not getting on the "official" roster seems kinda pointless. No, you didn't really retire "as an Astro.""

plus not only does no one notice - no one cares even if someone else points it out.

Maybe a psychologist can chime in on the malady here. You played for a team for a while, then you left, often due to trade or you wanted better money, then you finished your career elsewhere.

If you want to retire an Astro, then, well, stay with the Astros. It's not complicated.

Then again, I don't get the "which hat will Joe Blow have for the HOF" blather, either...

   37. base ball chick Posted: February 12, 2014 at 01:02 AM (#4655279)
neither berkman nor oswalt had a choice about staying with the astros. the guy who talked to them about being lifetime astros traded them both away and didn't want them back. berkman tought he was going to go to the yankees for a few months, help the astros get some younger guys, then return. nope - they didn't want him back

so don't blame them
   38. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: February 13, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4656193)
roy-o had a really great astros career - best pitcher we ever had - meaning both years and quality


And by a good margin, too.

How crappy is the Astros franchise? Turk Farrell, who was an original Colt 45er, left the team when LBJ was president has been dead for 36 years now, is still one of the dozen best pitchers in club history!
   39. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 13, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4656294)
Turk Farrell, who was an original Colt 45er, left the team when LBJ was president has been dead for 36 years now, is still one of the dozen best pitchers in club history!

Really? Based just on Astros numbers, which of these guys do you bump to make room for Farrell?

Danny Darwin
Larry Dierker
Ken Forsch
Mike Hampton
Darryl Kile
Brad Lidge
Wade Miller
Joe Niekro
Roy Oswalt
Mark Portugal
Shane Reynolds
JR Richard
Nolan Ryan
Joe Sambito
Mike Scott
Dave Smith
Billy Wagner
Don Wilson

and that doesn't even count the short-timers who had a good season or two like Robin Roberts, Don Sutton, Randy Johnson, Andy Pettitte, and Roiding Roger.
   40. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 13, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4656307)
How crappy is the Astros franchise? Turk Farrell, who was an original Colt 45er, left the team when LBJ was president has been dead for 36 years now, is still one of the dozen best pitchers in club history!

And would be the 2014 team's #4 starter.
   41. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: February 13, 2014 at 02:01 PM (#4656308)
Really? Based just on Astros numbers, which of these guys do you bump to make room for Farrell?
I think he was just going by WAR as an Astro. Darwin, Hampton, Kile, Lidge, Miller, Portugal, Sambito, Smith, and Wagner are ranked behind Farrell.
   42. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 13, 2014 at 02:25 PM (#4656328)
I think he was just going by WAR as an Astro. Darwin, Hampton, Kile, Lidge, Miller, Portugal, Sambito, Smith, and Wagner are ranked behind Farrell.


By WAR, it looks like he's 11th as an Astro. But his other point was wrong. If you compare the Astros with the other 1962 expansion teams, their 10th place guy (Clemens, with 16.8 WAR) is similar to the Angels (Troy Percival with 16.9), and better than the Mets (remarkably, Glavine at 15.3) and much better than the Rangers (Blyleven at 11.1). They're not really any crappier than the average expansion team.

By the way, the Royals probably have the deepest pitching leader board of any of the 14 expansion teams, as Larry Gura is 10th at 18.8.
   43. cardsfanboy Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:20 PM (#4656397)
By WAR, it looks like he's 11th as an Astro. But his other point was wrong. If you compare the Astros with the other 1962 expansion teams, their 10th place guy (Clemens, with 16.8 WAR) is similar to the Angels (Troy Percival with 16.9), and better than the Mets (remarkably, Glavine at 15.3) and much better than the Rangers (Blyleven at 11.1). They're not really any crappier than the average expansion team.

By the way, the Royals probably have the deepest pitching leader board of any of the 14 expansion teams, as Larry Gura is 10th at 18.8.


I think if you look at any team post 1962 that having a guy in tenth place with 16 war is probably pretty good. (Cardinals guy in 10th place in that time has 11.2 -Tewksbury. Braves have Avery with 13.6, etc.... Boston has Derek Lowe with 19, Yankees with Cone at 20)
   44. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4656423)
I think if you look at any team post 1962 that having a guy in tenth place with 16 war is probably pretty good. (Cardinals guy in 10th place in that time has 11.2 -Tewksbury. Braves have Avery with 13.6, etc.... Boston has Derek Lowe with 19, Yankees with Cone at 20)


Yes, that's a good way of looking at it, and shows the Astros don't suffer when it comes to decent pitching performances.

   45. zonk Posted: February 13, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4656425)
I see the articles that mention Ozzie Smith's one-day contract in 1990, but I don't understand it either. He never signed with another team after the Cardinals, so there was no reason to sign a one-day contract. If the year and team are right, the most prominent ex-Cardinal who retired in 1990 was Keith Hernandez. John Tudor finished his career that year, but Tudor actually did pitch for STL his last year. Plus, nobody liked him.


IIRC - the year might be different, but Ozzie's "parting" with the Cardinals was not originally cordial... I don't think TLR and he got along and TLR was ready to insert (Royce Clayton maybe? Jose Oquendo?) at SS. I vaguely recall that Ozzie didn't so much retire as much as the Cardinals didn't bring him back (and he was done - so whether he actively sought out another job or not, I don't know).
   46. cardsfanboy Posted: February 13, 2014 at 04:12 PM (#4656461)

IIRC - the year might be different, but Ozzie's "parting" with the Cardinals was not originally cordial... I don't think TLR and he got along and TLR was ready to insert (Royce Clayton maybe? Jose Oquendo?) at SS. I vaguely recall that Ozzie didn't so much retire as much as the Cardinals didn't bring him back (and he was done - so whether he actively sought out another job or not, I don't know).


Looking on the web, multiple articles cite Ozzie Smith with a one day managerial contract in 1990 even though he didn't retire until 1996. I can't find the original article stating that he signed a one day contract.

Yes Ozzie and TLR didn't get along. TLR said whoever was better in spring training between Clayton and Ozzie would be the starting shortstop. Clayton looked better but Ozzie actually put up the better numbers. Because Ozzie felt disrespected a couple of months into the season he announced he was going to retire at the end of the year. At that point in time teams scrambled for a "retirement ceremony" for Ozzie. (The Cardinals already had finished up a home series against the Marlins so they had a ceremony in St Louis where they gave him a gift and the Cardinals gave Andre Dawson a gift)

After he retired, Ozzie stated he would not have anything to do with the Cardinals as long as TLR was involved in the franchise. TLR would invite him to spring training every year, and Ozzie would go to the press and announce he had no intention of showing up as long as TLR was around.

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