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Wednesday, April 16, 2014

Astros To Promote George Springer

Good couple of weeks for UConn!

(Astros also demote the hapless Lucas Harrell.)

Top outfield prospect George Springer will join the Astros tomorrow, reports Evan Drellich of the Houston Chronicle (via Twitter)...

Springer climbed up prospect rating boards after a monster 2013 campaign in which he hit a combined .303/.411/.600, and posted 37 home runs and 45 stolen bases, in 589 plate appearances split between Double-A and Triple-A. Entering the 2014 season, analysts rated Springer between 18th (Baseball America) to 21st (MLB.com) among all MLB prospects. The 2011 first-round pick looked well on his way to a repeat of that performance in the season’s early going…

Though he is a tall and powerful ballplayer, Springer profiles as a center fielder. But with that position occupied in Houston by offseason acquisition Dexter Fowler, Springer will presumably take over in left field for the optioned Robbie Grossman. 

The District Attorney Posted: April 16, 2014 at 11:37 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4686924)
So far George's gamble has paid off.
   2. JJ1986 Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4686944)
I assume this is coming one day after the point where 2014 would have counted as a whole year of service time.
   3. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4686945)
A bit surprised the Astros called him up this soon, but he's not getting any younger and his minor league numbers are just too undeniable.
   4. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4686950)
Seriously? Who the hell is George Springer? I used to at least marginally know who these ####### were.
   5. AROM Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4686969)
I assume this is coming one day after the point where 2014 would have counted as a whole year of service time.


Looks like a few buffer days in there. Evan Longoria debuted on 4/12/2008. The schedules match up, as both 2008 and 2014 had the majority of openers on Monday March 31.
   6. Publius Publicola Posted: April 16, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4686976)
25 year old prospect. And he's from UConn. Sounds like the scouts Trouted him.

What I find mystifying is, given how good the Astros were last year, how a 24 year old outfielder with a AAA batting line of .311/.425/.626 and 23/25 stolen base record somehow couldn't find a way into their starting lineup.
   7. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4686984)
Evan Longoria debuted on 4/12/2008.

He signed an extension right before or right after his promotion, no? So service time considerations stop mattering.
   8. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4686986)
172 days constitutes a year of service. The season is 183 days long. If a team is purchasing the player's contract, it can buy the seventh year of control by waiting until the second Friday of the season. That's the case with Springer. If he'd already been on the 40-man, he'd have needed to stay down 20 days because optional assignments of less than that length count toward service time.
   9. bfan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4686987)
This is exciting; the buckets of young talent the Astros have in the minors will start to find its way to MLB, and the Astros will become a very competitive team.
   10. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4686988)
25 year old college player in the PCL? Color me unconvinced.
   11. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4686990)
...who struck out 161 times in 472 ABs last year. Maybe that's not a deal breaker these days, but it should raise some concern.
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4686991)
25 year old college player in the PCL? Color me unconvinced.


Well, he's 24 and in the American League as of today; don't know if that affects your color.
   13. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:19 PM (#4687005)
Springer also stole 45 bases in AA/AAA last year.
   14. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:22 PM (#4687012)
I'm thinking he'll have a BJ Upton type career, but I guess there's nothing wrong with that.
   15. Publius Publicola Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4687014)
...who struck out 161 times in 472 ABs last year. Maybe that's not a deal breaker these days, but it should raise some concern.


Yeah but he walked 83. So it's not like he's just some undisciplined, hacktastic free swinger.
   16. Boxkutter Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4687023)
I'm thinking he'll have a BJ Upton type career, but I guess there's nothing wrong with that.

I think more like Mike Cameron, but with a little more power, and less defense.
   17. Mike Emeigh Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4687029)
I think more like Mike Cameron, but with a little more power, and less defense.


Pretty much my thought as well. Although Cameron didn't strike out in the minors nearly as much as Springer has, it's the same basic skill set.

-- MWE
   18. Publius Publicola Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4687032)
That's a pretty good player then.
   19. Publius Publicola Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:43 PM (#4687034)
Not sure how good his arm is. 11 assists in 275 minor league games.
   20. Astroenteritis Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:53 PM (#4687046)
Thought he might need a little more time in the minors, but when the ML team is hitting 185/258/347 I suppose any help is welcome.
He will be in RF now, but eventually CF will be his spot, where he could provide excellent value. Just hope the fans don't expect miracles. Astro fans have been so desperate for anything to cheer for, and this guy is the next hope.
   21. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 16, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4687048)
Well, he's 24 and in the American League as of today;


Well. Houston.
   22. eric Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4687061)

What I find mystifying is, given how good the Astros were last year, how a 24 year old outfielder with a AAA batting line of .311/.425/.626 and 23/25 stolen base record somehow couldn't find a way into their starting lineup.


Astros probably trying to keep players cheap. Why get ages 22-27 cheap, which might include a couple years of development at a major league salary, when you can get the players best years, 25-30, and make sure you're getting them as good as they're gonna be. 28,29,30 is probably a lot more productive than 22, 23, 24 for most players.
   23. mathesond Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:20 PM (#4687064)
Well, he's 24 and in the American League as of today;


Well. Houston.


True, basically a National League team :)
   24. sinicalypse Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4687072)
#20 --- is carlos correa forecasted for 2015 for this year?

as a jonathan villar guy across my fantasy baseball empire i'm hoping the slick fielding low-to-no hit shortstop can hold off until 2015. my dreams of #2014JeanSegura still ring true for villar.... provided he can hit .250, of course.
   25. zack Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4687076)
OKC is in the "east" part of the PCL, so it's not like playing on the moon. How would his schedule compare to the IL?
   26. puck Posted: April 16, 2014 at 02:45 PM (#4687092)
I just noticed a new column in the stats on the BB-ref minor league page. "AgeDif": "Difference of the player's age to that of the weighted average of all the players in the league (batter & pitcher ages computed separately). That's pretty cool.

And the avg. age in the PCL is old--26.8 yrs in 2013.
   27. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: April 16, 2014 at 03:14 PM (#4687122)
but when the ML team is hitting 185/258/347


Really? Wow.
   28. Greg K Posted: April 16, 2014 at 04:08 PM (#4687189)
I'm thinking he'll have a BJ Upton type career, but I guess there's nothing wrong with that.

Take it to the Seinfeld thread.
   29. God Posted: April 16, 2014 at 04:08 PM (#4687191)
What I find mystifying is, given how good the Astros were last year, how a 24 year old outfielder with a AAA batting line of .311/.425/.626 and 23/25 stolen base record somehow couldn't find a way into their starting lineup.


I find it mystifying that a team would do it any other way than the Astros have. Given that they're only going to have him for 6 years, the Astros had a choice between having Springer for his age 23 season, when the team was totally noncompetitive, or for his age 29 season, when (a) he'll be a better player, and (b) they might conceivably be a contender.

Seriously, if the Astros had done anything other than exactly what they did, people should have been fired.
   30. Walt Davis Posted: April 16, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4687212)
Well, maybe.

Suppose time in the majors matters? Suppose Springer at 28 after coming up now is not as good as Springer at 28 coming up 6-18 months ago.

Now in Springer's case I doubt that's true because last year was his first huge year. But once a guy is hitting 300/400/550 (or whatever) in AA/AAA, he's probably got nothing left to learn in the minors and leaving him down there is doing nobody any good (and I suspect is not good for the player).

Anyway, coming into the year, ZiPS projected him to 237/319/439 which is apparently a 335 wOBA (on which scale?) and he projected as the 2nd best hitter in the organization. I assume what he's done in spring/early season hasn't lowered that projection and may have raised it a couple of points.
   31. starving to death with a full STEAGLES Posted: April 16, 2014 at 04:26 PM (#4687214)
I think more like Mike Cameron, but with a little more power, and less defense.
has anyone ever answered the question of whether torii hunter was a poor man's mike cameron, or mike cameron was a poor man's torii hunter? i guess hunter has had a much stronger end of his career, but during the mid-2000s that was a really interesting lens through which to view the proverbial stats/scouts debate.
   32. Publius Publicola Posted: April 16, 2014 at 04:40 PM (#4687233)
when the team was totally noncompetitive, or for his age 29 season, when (a) he'll be a better player, and (b) they might conceivably be a contender.


I think getting him to the majors and having him get through his growing pains quicker, all the while demonstrating to the fans you are committed to winning and want to field a competitive team and that there are talented young players in the system who promise a brighter future is a little more important than the few measly dollars you're going to save by kepping an MLB-caliber player in the minors another 3 months.
   33. Kiko Sakata Posted: April 16, 2014 at 04:50 PM (#4687245)
Given that they're only going to have him for 6 years


Why on Earth should we be willing to accept that the major-league baseball team in the 6th-largest metropolitan area in the country can't afford to pay free-agent prices for its players?
   34. Nasty Nate Posted: April 16, 2014 at 04:56 PM (#4687249)
Why on Earth should we be willing to accept that the major-league baseball team in the 6th-largest metropolitan area in the country can't afford to pay free-agent prices for its players?


No teams pay FA prices for all of its players.
   35. Nasty Nate Posted: April 16, 2014 at 04:58 PM (#4687252)
all the while demonstrating to the fans you are committed to winning


The Astros weren't committed to winning during the 2013 season. They knew it and their fans knew it - bringing up Springer wouldn't have changed that one bit. Your other reasons have validity, though.
   36. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 16, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4687273)
The Astros aren't committed to winning during the 2014 season either. What's the point of bringing him up this year rather than April 16th, 2015. (When truthfully they're quite unlikely to committ to winning.
   37. Nasty Nate Posted: April 16, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4687276)
What's the point of bringing him up this year rather than April 16th, 2015.


Avoiding an MLBPA grievance, for one.
   38. valuearbitrageur Posted: April 16, 2014 at 05:34 PM (#4687292)
I'm surprised the Astros didn't wait another month, wouldn't they have avoided any chance he would be super 2 by doing so?

And I was surprised he was a center fielder when I first heard of him, at center that bat plays fine, if he improves his contact rate he's a stud.
   39. God Posted: April 16, 2014 at 06:13 PM (#4687326)
that there are talented young players in the system who promise a brighter future is a little more important than the few measly dollars you're going to save by kepping an MLB-caliber player in the minors another 3 months.


You misunderstand the issue. Saving money in arbitration isn't the issue here at all. If it was, Springer would still be in the minors until late May to avoid Super-2 status. The timing of this move is about delaying his free agency and keeping him in an Astros uniform for a whole extra season. It's not about saving short-term money.
   40. base ball chick Posted: April 16, 2014 at 09:20 PM (#4687451)
this year's ball club is no different from the crap they have put on the field for the past 5 years, since they got rid of berkman and oswalt

i am really REALLY surprised they brought up george springer this early as i was positive they were intent on screwing him out of a year one way or another. i would guess they must be very very very sure he is gonna sign one of those team friendly contracts that will screw him out of half his market value.

as for the fans, all i can say is - what fans? not that they NEED fans.

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