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Saturday, May 30, 2009

Athletics Nation: Geren’s Ineptitude Exposed Again In Doubleheader Sweep

All of a sudden Hank Bauer looks like a genius! Ok…maybe not.

What’s remarkable to me is that a decision Bob Geren made in New York, to bring the infield in with runners at second and third and nobody out in the 2nd inning of a 0-0 game (Brett Gardner vs. Dana Eveland), which I thought was evidence of a manager who had no strategic understanding of the game, is now only the THIRD dumbest decision that I think Geren has made. I thought walking Russell Branyan in Seattle (ahead of Jose Lopez’ game-winning hit) to load the bases was even more moronic, but tonight Geren outdid even himself, ordering an intentional walk to Chris Davis to load the bases in the 1st inning of Game 2.

Chris Davis had struck out all four ABs in Game 1, and finished the double-header 0-7 with 6 Ks. He has now struck out a major league leading 77 times, including 23 times in his last 34 ABs. He is batting .194 and will likely be optioned to AAA. In sum, he is essentially, this season and especially right now, the equivalent of a pitcher batting. I was truly in disbelief when I saw this move being made.

I’m sorry. Bob Geren is simply not fit to manage a major league baseball team. Even stupid managers don’t make some of the decisions he has made - and it’s not like his team plays good fundamental baseball, or exudes any noticeable intensity or joy in the dugout or on the field. A’s players - who are both young and limited in talent and need every advantage they can get - and A’s fans, deserve better.

Repoz Posted: May 30, 2009 at 12:34 PM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Danny Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:01 PM (#3199944)
The A's are hitting .242/.317/.354. Geren's been far from perfect (Cabrera leading off?), but there's just not much a manager can do with a lineup this bad.

Nico's results-oriented, hindsight criticism is stupid--especially since he doesn't understand the concept of platoon advantages or the fact that what Chris Davis did in the first game of a double header should have virtually no impact on Geren's decision of whether to pitch to him in the second game.
   2. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:28 PM (#3199955)
Walking Davis with two outs early in the game doesn't have any benefit. Both batters weren't hitting well and Teagarden has a reverse platoon split. And bringing the infield in with no outs in the second is also strange.
   3. Still Waiting on Pork Chops (John R.) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:43 PM (#3199963)
Admittedly I'm a Rangers fan, but I didn't see the IBB of Davis as a major problem. I was at the DH yesterday, so the games have kinda blended together in my head. However, at the time, I think the score was 2-1 with 2 outs in the bottom of the 1st. Feldman didn't look terribly good in the first inning. Davis is an all-or-nothing hitter right this moment, but if he nails one, the score is 5-1. Teagarden has no power at all so far this year, and he's been worse this year than Davis. Would AN be bashing this move if Teagarden didn't get a hit (and, IIRC, his BA before the PA was below .160)?

On the Davis problem, you KNOW things are going poorly when a flyout gets applauded. It was mocking and derisive...but I joined in. I can't see the Rangers promoting Smoak yet. Blalock shouldn't be playing first on an everyday basis. Jones isn't really an option defensively on more than a spot basis. I hate to say it, but I think the Rangers need to look outside the organization for a one-year stopgap at 1B if they stay in contention.
   4. Danny Posted: May 30, 2009 at 04:43 PM (#3199964)
Teagarden has a reverse platoon split.

In 90 career MLB AB, 20 against LHP? He has a perfectly normal split in the minors (.974 OPS v. LHP, .863 v. RHP). And runners were on 2nd and 3rd, which is generally the place to IBB a guy.

And bringing the infield in with no outs in the second is also strange.

There was one out.
   5. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:05 PM (#3199976)
I was going by what was in the post.

You are right about the split. I should have looked at MiL numbers.
   6. Still Waiting on Pork Chops (John R.) Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:11 PM (#3199984)
Apparently AN isn't the only place questioning this decision.

Like I said, it didn't set off my "strange move" alarm at the game. Maybe I need to get it serviced...
   7. AROM Posted: May 30, 2009 at 05:39 PM (#3200022)
In sum, he is essentially, this season and especially right now, the equivalent of a pitcher batting.


Well, a pitcher with ridiculous power if he actually gets a hold of one. But certainly not the guy you'd intentionally walk.

I don't know how much blame should go to Geren or if Beane should take the blame. Beane loaded up on older, declining, injury prone hitters in an effort to improve the offense. He lost part of that gamble as their collective decline has left the team as bad off hitting as last year, but in doing so he also took away one thing the recent A's actually had going for them: A strong defense.
   8. BeanoCook Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:00 PM (#3200048)
I can't believe how easy it is to pitch to C Davis. He literally looks out of place out there (when he is not connecting for a HR). He strikes me as a guy trying to hit a HR on each pitch. The book on him is throw him FBs right down the middle, I'm not kidding.
   9. Danny Posted: May 30, 2009 at 06:55 PM (#3200131)
Beane loaded up on older, declining, injury prone hitters in an effort to improve the offense. He lost part of that gamble as their collective decline has left the team as bad off hitting as last year, but in doing so he also took away one thing the recent A's actually had going for them: A strong defense.

This is a lot of hyperbole. The old, injury prone players brought in are limited to two: Giambi and Nomar. And Nomar was only supposed to be a utility infielder. Cabrera is older, but he's not injury prone and didn't really seem to be declining. Holliday is in his prime. Not exactly loading up.

As for the defense, going from Barton to Giambi is definitely a minus. But replacing Crosby with Cabrera and Cust/Brown with Holliday should have been defensive upgrades.
   10. baudib Posted: May 30, 2009 at 07:08 PM (#3200143)
In general, this is the type of results-based managerial game "analysis" that really annoys me. All of these decisions are debatable, I suppose, but they're not indefensible. In fact, I'd say bringing the infield in against Brett Gardner is probably a really good idea; he's a weak hitter and a lot of his hits are going to be of the infield chopper variety anyway.

Although it's not likely he can sustain it, Branyan is hitting .316 with tremendous power, walking him in a do-or-die situation to get to Felipe Lopez seems reasonable. Walking Davis early in the game does seem curious. But right or wrong, these decisions represent fractions of a run; he'd have to be wrong on a huge percentage of these to make a big impact.

I don't have any opinion on whether or not Geren is a good manager, and I have no feel for what he does on a regular basis, or what kind of long-term, big-impact decisions he has made for the club. Bill James suggested years ago that managers literally make dozens of decisions every day; we need to look beyond singular moves to get a good idea of how good a manager is.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: May 30, 2009 at 10:03 PM (#3200291)
Bringing in the infield with runners on 2nd and 3rd is a HORRIBLE idea anytime except very late in a tie game. Bringing the infield in with a man on 3rd only is defensible. But when a single scores two runs, you don't bring the infield in.

Intentional walks are almost always a bad idea. They are really dumb early in a game. They are unthinkable when given to a hitter like Chris Davis.

And Teagarden my have no power but he's carrying a 350 OBP following a 390 OBP in the minors. It makes no sense to load the bases to pitch to that guy.

OBP being the reason why intentional walks to load the bases are almost always a bad idea.
   12. baudib Posted: May 30, 2009 at 10:25 PM (#3200308)
Even against a guy who hits so many weak groundballs as Gardner? I'll take your word for it Walt, but even then we are talking about situations that are a net +/- .1 of a run or something.
   13. Danny Posted: May 30, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3200317)
Intentional walks are almost always a bad idea.

Really? I thought intentional walks--when used--are generally breakeven.

They are unthinkable when given to a hitter like Chris Davis.

And Teagarden my have no power but he's carrying a 350 OBP following a 390 OBP in the minors. It makes no sense to load the bases to pitch to that guy.

OBP being the reason why intentional walks to load the bases are almost always a bad idea.

I think the IBB becomes much less absurd when you consider:

1) Davis projects as a better hitter than Teagarden (ROS ZIPS has .339 and .323 wOBA, respectively).
2) Davis had the platoon advantage; Teagarden did not.
3) ROS ZIPS has Teagarden with a .313 OBP, and would be lower against a RHP.
4) The pitcher, Edgar Gonzalez, has a huge platoon split for his career. LHB have hit .323/.393/.597 against him in ~600 PA, which is .200 higher than his OPS against RHB.
5) The A's offense sucks, especially when Buck, Cust, and Suzuki are all out of the lineup. While the IBB may have increased the run expectancy, it likely decreased the chances of scoring.
   14. Boots Day Posted: May 30, 2009 at 10:41 PM (#3200329)
The A's are hitting .242/.317/.354. Geren's been far from perfect (Cabrera leading off?), but there's just not much a manager can do with a lineup this bad.


I don't understand why some people think the manager has no bearing on how the team performs.
   15. Danny Posted: May 30, 2009 at 10:46 PM (#3200332)
I don't understand why "some people" read "there's just not much a manager can do with a lineup this bad" as "the manager has no bearing on how the team performs." Especially in a thread about in-game tactics.
   16. Boots Day Posted: May 30, 2009 at 10:52 PM (#3200335)
What a decent manager is supposed to do with a lineup this bad is find a way to make it better.
   17. JPWF13 Posted: May 31, 2009 at 02:49 AM (#3200583)
Really? I thought intentional walks--when used--are generally breakeven.


If you exclude intentionally walking the #8 guy to get to the pitcher, they are, on the whole-as actually used, much worse than break even.
   18. ColonelTom Posted: May 31, 2009 at 02:52 AM (#3200586)
These moves sound like a cry for offensive help, from Geren to the front office. Geren (correctly) doesn't think the team can score runs, so he's trying to cut them off at every opportunity. It's a horrible strategy, mind you, but he's making a point.
   19. Moneyball can't buy you love (Joey B.) Posted: May 31, 2009 at 02:20 PM (#3200855)
I'm still kind of in disbelief that some of the sabermetric types seriously picked this team to win the division.
   20. Der_K is feeling better now. Posted: May 31, 2009 at 02:56 PM (#3200870)
Me too, Joey.
   21. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: May 31, 2009 at 03:01 PM (#3200873)
I'm still kind of in disbelief that some of the sabermetric types seriously picked this team to win the division.


Never underestimate the desire of sabermetric types to flatter sabermetric-friendly teams, in the hopes of obtaining gainful employment. (See, e.g., the ongoing Baseball Prospectus - Cleveland Indians love affair.)

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