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Monday, April 28, 2014

Awful Announcing:  The MLB Local TV Announcer Rankings

Over the last two weeks, we polled the Awful Announcing readers on their opinions of each local broadcast team around the majors…Each “A” vote received 4 points, 3 points for a “B” vote, down to 0 points for an “F” vote. The total points scored were divided by the total number of votes to calculate what amounts to a GPA for each broadcast booth.

30) Chicago White Sox – 1.37
-Hawk Harrelson (play by play)
-Steve Stone (analyst, play by play – select)
-Aaron Rowand (analyst -select)
-Mike Huff (analyst – select)
-Tom Paciorek (analyst – select)

Most popular grade: F (46% of voters)

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   1. cardsfanboy Posted: April 28, 2014 at 06:37 PM (#4696152)
I'm surprised the Cardinals did that bad (28th)

McLaughlin drags the Cardinals broadcast down(surprisingly, he has been tolerable this year, but in previous seasons, he had a very thinly veiled disdain for everyone he was working with...and was basically a complete and utter a-hole....he's been much better this year.) Horton is very good, still needs to find his broadcasting voice, and the self effacing schtick is a little overdone, but he's informative and willing to accept some new fangled stats.

Hrabosky is a taste thing... I've always liked him, but he can be annoying at times.
   2. SteveM. Posted: April 28, 2014 at 06:37 PM (#4696153)
I am sorry, but any ranking without Vin Scully as #1 is flawed. I demand a recount.
   3. Into the Void Posted: April 28, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4696154)
I'm surprised more people focused on Kuip and Krukow than Jon Miller and Dave Flemming. I love listening to all four of those guys, but Jon Miller is truly great and topped only by Scully.

Also, that Hawk Harrelson video is tremendous: http://youtu.be/SBwNiZmnSDM

   4. Ray (RDP) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4696155)
Has the Jerry Remy thing blown over?

Also, how is Tim Salmon at this gig?
   5. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: April 28, 2014 at 06:53 PM (#4696157)
Early report on Moyer and Stairs in Philly.

Both have boring voices. Stairs hasn't brought much analysis to the table ("Arizona's scouting report must have had Ben Revere listed as having a below-averarge arm.") . Moyer does a nice job of talking about the pitcher batter confrontation and also will talk about other facets of the game. If he could work on his style to add a little pizazz, he could be something special. Time will tell.

I find Tom McCarthy (PBP) somewhat less annoying without Gary Matthews. I do not miss that man.

I think the Phils should think about getting Chris Wheeler some occasional work. He brings the Phillies history perspective that none of the other radio/TV announcers have right now. Maybe 40 games would keep the Wheeler-haters from going nuts.
   6. theboyqueen Posted: April 28, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4696158)
Everything that is any good about the A's broadcasts happens on the radio. Glen Kuiper is truly lame and Ray Fosse is much more useful on the radio than on TV. These results don't pass the smell test.

Korach is an outstanding PBP guy on the radio, which is not what was being "measured" here.

And I don't like anything about the Giants' broadcasters (except for Dave Flemming), though I realize I am in the minority on this.
   7. Rennie's Tenet Posted: April 28, 2014 at 07:14 PM (#4696167)
I refer to all Pirate play-by-play men as "Lanny."
   8. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: April 28, 2014 at 07:26 PM (#4696172)
I love listening to Hawk. But maybe because I'm not a Sox fan. The link in #3 is awesome. I love when he stews or pouts.

   9. Rough Carrigan Posted: April 28, 2014 at 08:19 PM (#4696201)
Even better than his stewing or pouting (in small doses) is persecution complex Harrelson. I've never heard another announcer anywhere go off on dark conspiratorial rants like Harrelson will at times. " . . and he calls him out on a ball that he refused to give a strike to when Sale put it right there all game long. All game long he's refused to give Sale a strike on pitches that he's given strikes to Verlander. Refused!"
   10. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: April 28, 2014 at 08:25 PM (#4696206)
If only more people could hear Rex Hudler, I'm sure the Royals could challenge the White Sox next year.
   11. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 28, 2014 at 08:36 PM (#4696217)
Has the Jerry Remy thing blown over?


Blown over isn't what I would call it. It's just not active right now. There was a small kerfuffle over a letter that Jared sent last week trying to get people to lay off his father but it wasn't a thing. The trial is supposed to be in August and I suspect during that period Jerry won't be on the broadcasts.
   12. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 28, 2014 at 08:42 PM (#4696223)
There's absolutely no chance in bloody hell that Hawk/Stone are the worst announcing team in the sport. None.

   13. Esoteric Posted: April 28, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4696229)
There's absolutely no chance in bloody hell that Hawk/Stone are the worst announcing team in the sport. None.
What, are you kidding? Who beats them?
   14. cardsfanboy Posted: April 28, 2014 at 08:50 PM (#4696231)
There's absolutely no chance in bloody hell that Hawk/Stone are the worst announcing team in the sport. None.


maybe not in sports, but in sports that matter(IE baseball) they probably are. And it's probably not particularly close, at least at the major league level, I wouldn't be surprised at all, if there was a high school with an announcer as bad as Hawk, but doubt there are any colleges or minor league teams with anyone that bad.

Obviously other sports are dealing with a handicap...they aren't baseball, so of course the best announcer in those sports are going to be penalized at least two grades for announcing a significantly crappier game.
   15. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4696243)
If only more people could hear Rex Hudler, I'm sure the Royals could challenge the White Sox next year.

I caught part of a Royals game I think on MLB TV earlier this year and had to comment about it on Facebook. I think they were talking about Moustakas and how he has rededicated himself to his career... an early-season variant on the Best Shape of His Life spring training stories. Then Hudler starts going off on a creepy tangent about how Moustakas has a "pretty young blonde thing" as a wife and how she would certainly get Hudler to focus on his career.

Then in almost his next breath wished his own daughter a happy 20th birthday.

But I'll still vote for Hawk & [insert name here] as Worst. Broadcasters. Ever.
   16. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:12 PM (#4696251)
The only reason why Bob Carpenter gets an F is because Z-Minus wasn't available as a choice.
   17. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:18 PM (#4696254)
I caught part of a Royals game I think on MLB TV earlier this year and had to comment about it on Facebook. I think they were talking about Moustakas and how he has rededicated himself to his career... an early-season variant on the Best Shape of His Life spring training stories. Then Hudler starts going off on a creepy tangent about how Moustakas has a "pretty young blonde thing" as a wife and how she would certainly get Hudler to focus on his career.

Then in almost his next breath wished his own daughter a happy 20th birthday.

I mentioned earlier this season that if Hudler had a stroke during a game, no one would notice.
   18. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:20 PM (#4696255)
What, are you kidding? Who beats them?


Well, on the radio side, Sterling and Waldman ...
   19. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:21 PM (#4696256)
What, are you kidding? Who beats them?

They're better than at least 10 TV announcing teams. Texas, Houston, NY Yankees, Seattle, LA Angels, Kansas City, Miami, Philly, Cleveland, Colorado.

That's just back of the envelope. There might be more.

Steve Stone and Harry Carey in his prime were one of the best teams in the history of the sport. Steve Stone is still half the White Sox booth.
   20. Kiko Sakata Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:25 PM (#4696259)
Steve Stone and Harry Carey in his prime were one of the best teams in the history of the sport. Steve Stone is still half the White Sox booth.


Steve Stone is deep into the decline phase of his career. If the Cubs signed Willie Mays and Hank Aaron, they wouldn't suddenly have the best outfield in the major leagues.
   21. Lassus Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4696265)
I'd like to carp about the O's being ranked ahead of the Mets guys, but to be fair a.) I've never listened to them and b.) I do like Gary Thorne.

It has been a LONG time, but I have a recollection of disliking Krukow - a lot. Maybe I'm misremembering. Miller is top-tier, probably my personal favorite, and at this point I'm pretty sure I like him MORE than Scully.

I do thank the baseball gods every day that I get to listen to Gary, Keith, and Ron. I feel lucky, even when they get on their high horses, which is their absolute worst near-unlistenable quality.
   22. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:31 PM (#4696268)
The only reason why Bob Carpenter gets an F is because Z-Minus wasn't available as a choice.

I find him quite tolerable. Not great, but OK.
   23. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:36 PM (#4696272)
From the comments:

nerowasthehomie 1 hour ago
@trancey Typical butthurt Dodger fan. Why don't you go beat someone half to death so you can feel better about yourself.

HarryBuchwald 54 minutes ago
@nerowasthehomie @trancey This century the Giants fans have beat two opposing fans to death compared to zero for LA fans.

Suck on it loser.


Ouch.
   24. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 28, 2014 at 09:39 PM (#4696279)
Top 5:

5) Cubs
4) Mets
3) Orioles
2) Dodgers
1) Giants
   25. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: April 28, 2014 at 10:00 PM (#4696296)
There's absolutely no chance in bloody hell that Hawk/Stone are the worst announcing team in the sport. None.

There are a lot of mediocre/bad broadcasters, but they're all too bland to keep straight. For better or for worse, everybody knows who Hawk is.

I understand the complaints with Hawk (the oft-repeated truisms are the worst) but as somebody who listens to him 120+ times a year, there are some gripes that are more of a product of the echo chamber than anything he actually does.

Complaining about umpires: His blow-ups are memorable, but they're a rarity. He's much more likely to compliment an umpire for calling a good game than he is for hinting that they're lopsided, much less wearing a tinfoil hat.

Silence: After Abreu's walk-off grand slam, the Tampa Bay broadcasters didn't speak for 47 seconds. If Hawk did that, every snark blog would have a post dedicated to it, but there's nobody writing, "LOL SAD DEWAYNE STAATS IS SAD!" Because few baseball fans know the name of Tampa Bay's broadcaster.

Besides, I'd take a silent broadcaster over somebody who won't stop talking. Rex Hudler is the biggest offender there. Even his attempts at brevity backfire. "I've got three words for you..." turns into 30 words, because he feels a need to explain what the three words meant.


   26. Leroy Kincaid Posted: April 28, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4696299)
Krukow sounds like he's perpetually congested. Tough to listen to.
   27. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 28, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4696327)
Given the relatively small size of the Baltimore market, I was pleasantly surprised to see the O's Thorne/Palmer team rated just below the twin legends of Miller (the best announcer ever) and Scully. I've yet to hear a better combination of analysis, objectivity and announcing voice than that of Jim Palmer. And given his physical condition at 68, he could well last as long as Scully if he really wanted to.
   28. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 28, 2014 at 11:08 PM (#4696330)
What, are you kidding? Who beats them?

They're better than at least 10 TV announcing teams. Texas, Houston, NY Yankees, Seattle, LA Angels, Kansas City, Miami, Philly, Cleveland, Colorado.
No ####### way the Angels voices are worse than Hawk and Stone. The Physioc/Hudler team were horrible in Anaheim and now they're horrible in Kansas City, but they weren't as bad as Hawk/Stone. The current team is very bland. Rojas does a very boring PBP, and Gubicza a very pedestrian color call. (Salmon, on the few occasions I've heard him, was very good). The meh responses from the article perfectly reflect their meh-ness.

Compared to Hawk/Stone, Rojas/Gubicza are a Hall-of-Fame duo.

(Also, five minutes of a Seattle, Colorado, or a Miami game will tell you they're better than the ChiSox team. The Yanks crew is terrible, and so is KC.)
   29. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 28, 2014 at 11:11 PM (#4696332)
Even better than his stewing or pouting (in small doses) is persecution complex Harrelson. I've never heard another announcer anywhere go off on dark conspiratorial rants like Harrelson will at times. " . . and he calls him out on a ball that he refused to give a strike to when Sale put it right there all game long. All game long he's refused to give Sale a strike on pitches that he's given strikes to Verlander. Refused!"

I used to love the Celtics' Johnny Most for many reasons**, but nobody but NOBODY could top his whining when the Celtics had a foul called against them.

**Two among many: The way he'd refer to the Bullets' Rick Mahorn and Jeff Ruland as "McFilthy and McNasty", and the way he'd say a point guard would "fiddle and diddle" with the ball. When he retired, he got presented with twin dachsunds named Fiddle and Diddle, who presumably were trained to water the visitors' benches.
   30. Zac Schmitt Posted: April 28, 2014 at 11:19 PM (#4696336)
They're better than at least 10 TV announcing teams. Texas, Houston, NY Yankees, Seattle, LA Angels, Kansas City, Miami, Philly, Cleveland, Colorado


The Yankees broadcasts aren't as bad as all that. Kay is a pain, but tolerable, and is even coming around on sabermetrics some. Among the former players, Cone and O'Neill are okayish, Flaherty and Leiter are good, and Singleton is great.

Hawk is the only announcer in all of baseball I honestly can't listen to.
   31. zenbitz Posted: April 28, 2014 at 11:26 PM (#4696338)
I am sorry, but any ranking without Vin Scully as #1 is flawed. I demand a recount.


Team sport.
   32.   Posted: April 28, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4696342)
I have to agree with the comments on Hudler. He has an annoying voice which sounds like a faked accent, says remarkably stupid things at a record-setting pace and he just simply never. Shuts. Up.

Is he worse than Hawk? I don't know; Hawk has a schtick but Hudler is just naturally horrendous.
   33. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 28, 2014 at 11:55 PM (#4696349)
Is he worse than Hawk? I don't know; Hawk has a schtick but Hudler is just naturally horrendous.
Michael Kay has schtick. Hawk's act isn't schtick unless you think the whining and crying and sometimes tantruming of a small child is schtick.
   34. Select Storage Device Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:01 AM (#4696352)
It's been a few years growing into them, but I love the TB cast. They fair fine in this list but the homer in me puts them higher.

My favorite call (homer) ever (homer) may be the first one (homer) in this clip. The Carnac color call; the simple excited play-by-play. No gimmicks.

Not top 5, but snuggly in the top 10 to me.
   35. Cooper Nielson Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:06 AM (#4696355)
I haven't lived in the Bay Area since 2000, but I remember really enjoying the Giants' broadcasts on TV as well as radio. (The A's were pretty good too, but a step below.) They just seemed to have so much depth. Jon Miller is one of the all-time greats (IMHO), but Kuiper's nearly as good, and back then they also had Ted Robinson, who was pretty good himself. Now they've got Dave Flemming as a rising star. Krukow is fun and actually made me laugh sometimes, but he's also smarter and more sensible than the typical "fun former-player analyst."

The team I'm most familiar with at the moment is the Tigers (#11 here), and I think they do a pretty good job, or at least half of them does. PBP guy Mario Impemba is not well-known nationally but I really think he's good. He has a great baseball voice, you can tell he enjoys his job, and he knows the game pretty well. He's not a stathead, but you get the sense that he at least understands the stuff. Analyst Rod Allen, on the other hand, is completely "fungible." He seems like a nice guy but he doesn't add anything to the broadcast. He reminds me of Magic Johnson's failed talk show. If FSD could replace Allen with a more cerebral (or simply funnier) type, the Tigers would easily be Top 10, maybe Top 5.
   36. donlock Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:27 AM (#4696364)
Not sure how this works. Other than frequent travelers/movers, who has heard even five games by more than one team of announcers in one season. I haven't.

Never heard 95% of these guys work. Have heard Jon Miller and Vin Scully on national broadcasts.
   37. silhouetted by the sea Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:33 AM (#4696369)
I mostly watch Reds games, with some Indians thrown in when they are on at a different time. The thing i have noticed the last few years on both broadcasts is that they no longer really announce the game. They talk baseball, not in an enlightened way, talk about what great guys everyone is, when Jeff Brantley is on they spend at least a half inning discussing his what he had to eat, but they don't say anything about what happens on the field. I have counted 20 pitch innings where they mentioned whether the pitch was a ball or a strike maybe 2 or 3 times. They sometimes interrupt what they are talking about to mention a hit or an out, but not a;; the time. Even when they are not actively bad I don't get the point of having them there.
   38. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:04 AM (#4696375)
Given the relatively small size of the Baltimore market, I was pleasantly surprised to see the O's Thorne/Palmer team rated just below the twin legends of Miller (the best announcer ever) and Scully. I've yet to hear a better combination of analysis, objectivity and announcing voice than that of Jim Palmer. And given his physical condition at 68, he could well last as long as Scully if he really wanted to.

Palmer is great. He's somebody who can make a strong point with few words.
   39. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:21 AM (#4696377)
Not sure how this works. Other than frequent travelers/movers, who has heard even five games by more than one team of announcers in one season. I haven't.


That was true before mlb.com, but now that all of the broadcast teams are available to sample, it's much easier to get a feel for many different teams.
   40. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: April 29, 2014 at 09:58 AM (#4696496)
Jim Palmer. And given his physical condition at 68

I immediately thought, "There's no way in hell Jim Palmer can be 68 years old!" Then I realized that the year he beat out Mark Fidrych for the AL Cy Young was 1976...thirty-eight years ago. And Fidrych is dead.

I'm. Just. So. Old.
   41. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: April 29, 2014 at 10:22 AM (#4696509)
On the one hand, Chip Caray is pretty bad. On the other hand, it's such a goofy, benign, well-intentioned badness that I find it hard to get too worked up over him. Chip's the adorable puppy you come home to find has tipped over your garbage can.

Ah, Nepotism, you fickle mistress. That which gives you Skip can also give you Chip.
   42. Red Menace Posted: April 29, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4696515)
That was true before mlb.com, but now that all of the broadcast teams are available to sample, it's much easier to get a feel for many different teams.


This. I've been sampling every team's announcers the past few years. I was impressed by the Braves this past series. They had some scouting insight on Homer Bailey's breaking not working that I would have never learned watching the Reds crew.
   43. DA Baracus Posted: April 29, 2014 at 10:31 AM (#4696517)
Chip's the adorable puppy you come home to find has tipped over your garbage can.


There is nothing adorable about Chip.
   44. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 29, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4696518)
I immediately thought, "There's no way in hell Jim Palmer can be 68 years old!" Then I realized that the year he beat out Mark Fidrych for the AL Cy Young was 1976...thirty-eight years ago. And Fidrych is dead.

I'm. Just. So. Old.


And if you look at Palmer today you'll feel even older. They need some sort of progressive taxation for hairlines.
   45. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: April 29, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4696531)
Scully/Palmer or Miller/Palmer would be the greatest broadcasting team in history. And the orioles could have had that if Angelos hadn't screwed things up with Miller.
   46. The Robby Hammock District (Dan Lee) Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4696550)
They're better than at least 10 TV announcing teams. Texas, Houston, NY Yankees, Seattle, LA Angels, Kansas City, Miami, Philly, Cleveland, Colorado.
No way they're better than Cleveland. Underwood is dull, amateurish, and not all that great, but he's mostly harmless. Manning is solid but unspectacular.

I think the poll has the Indians guys about where they should be - worse than average, but not obnoxiously terrible. Hawk is obnoxiously terrible.
   47. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4696557)
Hawk's act isn't schtick unless you think the whining and crying and sometimes tantruming of a small child is schtick.


How is Hawk's endless flogging of his nicknames and catchphrases not schtick? It's all about "look at me, I'm so clever I've created my own lexicon."
   48. dejarouehg Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:15 AM (#4696559)
Steve Stone is deep into the decline phase of his career. If the Cubs signed Willie Mays and Hank Aaron, they wouldn't suddenly have the best outfield in the major leagues.
Well, they would be about 164 years old combined so Lake would have to cover quite a bit of ground. Is Stone really bad now? That's a shame. Really enjoyed his work with the Cubs having to overcome the Carays. Don't listen now b/c it's not worth putting up with Hawk.

BTW, what illicit pictures does the Caray family have on baseball executives that Chip still has a job? Unlistenable. The worst. Ever. I'd rather have Lorne Brown and Steve Albert.

and Singleton is great.
Yes he is. I am still bitter about the Mets trading him. It's bad enough he replaced my all-time favorite player and then became my favorite player. Why unload him? He is certainly better than Kay though I do prefer to listen to Kay over Francesa. Fun to hear him try to argue that he doesn't really hate the Mets.

I do thank the baseball gods every day that I get to listen to Gary, Keith, and Ron. I feel lucky......
I know it's blasphemy to not consider Scully the best - I still can't get over how bad he was in the 86 Series - but Gary, Keith and Ron run laps around Scully and any of the other teams. Love Miller and Palmer (we are old, especially those of us who tried to emulate the Palmer leg kick - in 1972) but these three or even when it is just Gary and Keith or Gary and Ron are must-see TV, much like McCarver was back in the mid-80's. They make you enjoy baseball for baseball's sake in spite of an often lesser-product on the field, unlike the Cubs announcers (who I am suprised received such high grades) who have a more difficult time overcoming some astonishingly bad baseball.
   49. Esoteric Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:17 AM (#4696561)
Related topic of discussion: are there any teams whose radio crew is either as good or as bad as their TV crew? I ask because it seems like usually, for whatever reason, there's an unwitting equilibrium that balances things out. For example, as much as people dislike the Nationals' TV crew (I happen to think they're adequate, mostly because F.P. Santangelo has grown significantly on the job), their radio team of Charlie Slowes and Dave Jageler is universally hailed. Meanwhile the Orioles have Gary Thorne and Jim Palmer doing their TV games (and they are indeed truly superb), but their radio is handled by the dismal Joe Angel/Fred Manfra team.

The exception that springs most readily to mind is the Yankees: both Kay on TV and Sterling/Waldman on radio are vomitrocious. And maybe the Brewers in the other direction, since Uecker on the radio is obviously such fun despite his having lost a step or two.
   50. base ball chick Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4696567)
the houston broadcasters got low marks because they couldn't find enough raters, seeing as how nobody watches

actually, bill brown is VERY good and so is alan ashby - not as good as jim deshaeis was, but still really good. whatever female they got out there interrupting the flow to pick out "fan of the game" or whatevs is prolly bout the same as patty smith - shrug. the current radio guys are ok, but they are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> milo senile hamilton and his 2 moron sidekicks.

i notice that the announcers have been instructed to mostly ignore the actual game on the field and talk about some other crap. makes listening to radio tough and hard to concentrate on the game.

i can't get used to the DH league announcers and absolutely despise the yankee, red sox and white sox ones. the KC guys you just can't listen to - i mean, they are milo hamilton bad. i can't do it.

in the NL, i hate the reds announcers and the nats announcers. like the SF, cubs and LA.

i wish i knew why the people who own the teams have decided that watchers prefer lousy announcers to good ones. i understand they are paid to be homers, but just the same, why all the gossip and talk about parties for their kidz and golf games?
   51. Esoteric Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:20 AM (#4696568)
I know it's blasphemy to not consider Scully the best - I still can't get over how bad he was in the 86 Series - but Gary, Keith and Ron run laps around Scully and any of the other teams. Love Miller and Palmer (we are old, especially those of us who tried to emulate the Palmer leg kick - in 1972) but these three or even when it is just Gary and Keith or Gary and Ron are must-see TV, much like McCarver was back in the mid-80's. They make you enjoy baseball for baseball's sake in spite of an often lesser-product on the field, unlike the Cubs announcers (who I am suprised received such high grades) who have a more difficult time overcoming some astonishingly bad baseball.
It's funny...I remember back in the days when Ron Darling was a terrible baseball analyst in the booth. Ah, the bad ol' early days of the Nationals.

He's obviously improved by leaps and bounds since then -- the Mets TV crew really is an excellent one, though not quite as great as some of the hosannahs here would have us believe -- but it's a salutary reminder that these guys don't necessarily come into this career fully formed. The Ron Darling of 2005 was a disaster.
   52. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4696572)
double post by accident
   53. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4696574)
If only more people could hear Rex Hudler, I'm sure the Royals could challenge the White Sox next year.


Back during Spring Training, I thought I was stroking out (or a bit too buzzed, either way) when I heard Physioc doing a Rangers game on MLB Network. Apparently, since the Royals and Rangers share a complex, some arrangement was made for Phys to do PBP since he was already in the area. I have never been a huge fan of Mr. Physioc, but I will say that he was actually a decent PBP guy when Hudler wasn't around. It was like he didn't have to worry about setting up Hud or "matching" his energy or something like that and he just was able to call the game.

I know it's blasphemy to not consider Scully the best - I still can't get over how bad he was in the 86 Series


You know, if you're going to make a statement like that, at least tell us why he was so bad during the series.
   54. Esoteric Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:29 AM (#4696575)
Back during Spring Training, I thought I was stroking out (or a bit too buzzed, either way) when I heard Physioc doing a Rangers game on MLB Network. Apparently, since the Royals and Rangers share a complex, some arrangement was made for Phys to do PBP since he was already in the area. I have never been a huge fan of Mr. Physioc, but I will say that he was actually a decent PBP guy when Hudler wasn't around.
This has always been the rap on Physioc, I thought: he's actually not bad at all, but he's dragged down by the anchor of Rex Hudler, with whom he is as inextricably associated as Vanzetti is with Sacco.
   55. isaacc7 Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:32 AM (#4696578)
The White Sox are the only team I avoid watching and it is because of Hawk. He is terrible, unlistenable even. Forget his idiotic catch phrases, forget his homerism, he's just bad. I feel bad for Steve Stone.
   56. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4696586)
There's absolutely no chance in bloody hell that Hawk/Stone are the worst announcing team in the sport. None.

What, are you kidding? Who beats them?


Chip Carey/any person ever, living or dead
   57. Fred Garvin is dead to Mug Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4696588)
FWIW, I made my own rankings using these as a template -- IMO the biggest differences were TB, BOS, and COL (to the positive) and DET, BAL, OAK, and SD (to the negative).

Just my own .02, though I realize this is a polarizing subject.
   58. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:44 AM (#4696590)
ow is Hawk's endless flogging of his nicknames and catchphrases not schtick? It's all about "look at me, I'm so clever I've created my own lexicon."


To be fair, though he's dropped off a bit, he remains the only baseball media type making an effort to create non formulaic-nicknames. That may be his only redeeming quality, but at least it's something.
   59. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4696593)
IMO the biggest differences were TB, BOS, and COL (to the positive)


Do you mean you rank those teams announcers better or worse than the article did?

   60. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 29, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4696604)
To be fair, though he's dropped off a bit, he remains the only baseball media type making an effort to create non formulaic-nicknames. That may be his only redeeming quality, but at least it's something.


And if he did that in service of the players, or in service of the principle of non-formulaic nicknames in general, I'd give him points for it. But I think he's pretty clearly revealed that it's all about his own ego.
   61. Rob_Wood Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4696609)

Steve Physioc was quite poor when he was with the Giants many years ago. I guess it is possible that he has improved ...
   62. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4696610)
And if he did that in service of the players, or in service of the principle of non-formulaic nicknames in general, I'd give him points for it. But I think he's pretty clearly revealed that it's all about his own ego.


If you say so. I'll take a One Dog, Big Hurt and Tank vs. a A-Rod, Man-Ram or A-Gone. The motivations behind their creations don't really concern me, nor do I find myself particularly skilled at ferreting them out.

   63. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:06 PM (#4696613)
The motivations behind their creations don't really concern me.


Try reading a few of fellow Chicago "icon" John Kass's columns. You'll change your tune. He's even more insufferable with this kind of thing than Hawk.
   64. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4696618)
Try reading a few of fellow Chicago "icon" John Kass's columns. You'll change your tune. He's even more insufferable with this kind of thing than Hawk.


I seriously doubt it. I really have no interest in that sort of thing. Hawk is the guy on the air. I evaluate what he (or anyone else says). I'll leave the why to others.
   65. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4696637)
i watch a LOT of mlbtv and do think the brewers crew is pretty solid relative to others i have heard.

i like the pirates crew. think they are very underrated.

the reds broadcast team is better than having a dead person in the booth. maybe.

no, this crew is horrendous. i will give welsh and grande something of a pass because i know that to broadcast in cincy means it is MANDATORY to be either ridiculously positive or negative about every player or situation but brantley and thommy boy are beyond dreadful. first, brantley cannot speak the english language. whatever concoction he has of hillbilly, chaw and general ignorance generates a series of tonal inflections that bear little resemblance to actual words.

and tb, well, he has taken his father's brand of stupidity and worked to assert his own brand of dumb. and done it in spectacular fashion.

the reds rank infinitely bad. you cannot place an ordinal ranking on bad of this magnitude. if the 1929 stock market collapse is the nadir of the country's financial markets then the reds broadcast team outperforms THAT in terms of depths of failure.
   66. Moeball Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:33 PM (#4696644)
Have enjoyed Scully for decades, Miller for almost as long.

It was funny when Jon Miller and Joe Morgan were doing the ESPN broadcasts because Jon would say something smart and then Joe would say something stupid. For the life of me I cannot figure out how the same Joe Morgan that would be patient at the plate and make pitchers throw him strikes, even in situations with runners in scoring position where he would take A LOT of walks, would then say during broadcasts that Barry Bonds, or Frank Thomas, or whomever, should be swinging at pitches way off the plate to drive in those runs rather than taking walks. The lesson to be learned is to do as Joe did, not as Joe says.

Back in the eighties, I think, the Angels had Bob Starr doing broadcasts. He was bland most of the time but he was absolutely terrible at trying to keep up with stats. We even coined a term for his attempts, "Starr Math". It would go like this:

1)Bobby Grich comes up for the first time in the game - Starr says "Grich up now, comes into the game hitting .257". Grich hits a single to left field.

2)Grich's next time up - Starr says "Bobby singled his first time up, which brings his average to .255". Huh? He got a hit and his batting average went down? Starr would do stuff like that all the time.

Agree that Hudler is awful. When he was with the Angels it was painful to listen to him.

I used to love the Celtics' Johnny Most for many reasons**, but nobody but NOBODY could top his whining when the Celtics had a foul called against them.


How could you possibly love Johnny Most? I kept hearing about how great he was, and his famous calls. Then one year the league actually had him and Chick Hearn call the NBA All Star game together. Sure enough, Larry Bird had a steal in the game and Most went on for 5 solid minutes of "Bird stole the ball! Bird stole the ball! Bird stole the ball!" Meanwhile, Chick had to try to tell the fans what was actually happening in the game over Most's continued gravelly shouting. Maybe one game does not make a true representative example, but I heard all I needed to from Most in that game. The one Bird steal was the worst example, but Most did stuff like that all throughout the game. He was way way beyond awful.

Johnny Most - Worst. Homer. Ever. According to him, the Celtics never ever ever lost a game by being outplayed by the other team.
   67. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:41 PM (#4696652)
As a side note, it's sad that NBA League Pass wasn't quite as popular as it is now before Chick's passing. He was just as good as Vinny and was wickedly critical of the Lakers. I cried the day when Chick died (and in all honesty, I will bawl my eyes out when Vinny is gone). No one (not even Vin) could do the simulcast thing like Chick did (left to right on your radio dial). Back in 2000 when the Lakers won it again, I made it a point to mute the TV and put on Chick. I just wanted to hear Chicky tell me that the Lakers were champions again.

Chick Hearn was an amazing basketball announcer. He always said the he was the beer to Vinny's fine wine (he was underselling himself of course), but he was so damned good at his job. i think that I was extremely fortunate to listen to Vinny during the spring and summer and Chick during the fall and winter.
   68. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4696653)
Johnny Most - Worst. Homer. Ever. According to him, the Celtics never ever ever lost a game by being outplayed by the other team.
CBS once got Hearn and Most together to talk about old times, and they played the two voices call Magic Johnson's famous Baby Hook that won Game 4 of the 1986 Finals. Hearn called it like it the great play it was, and Most called it like his whole family just died.

As a side note, it's sad that NBA League Pass wasn't quite as popular as it is now before Chick's passing. He was just as good as Vinny and was wickedly critical of the Lakers.
Los Angeles has been gifted with the two greatest voices of their sports, Vin Scully and Chick Hearn. Both men not only called a great game, but they called games in a way that even if you weren't a Dodger or Laker fan you could still enjoy yourself. If you were a fan of the other team listening to Johnny Most you wouldn't make it through the entire game. (This applies to Hawk. He doesn't call baseball games, he calls White Sox games.)
   69. andrewberg Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:44 PM (#4696654)
I'm late to this discussion, but I can't believe that Dave Sims of the Mariners is anywhere outside of the bottom 5. He has no feel for a baseball game and seems to be biding his time until a highlight worthy play happens. He does not tell the story of the pitcher/hitter battle through an at-bat (which is one of my favorite elements of watching a game) and has absolutely no appreciation for the strategy of an individual game. He gets really excited when a guy makes a good fielding play, lays down a good bunt, or otherwise demonstrates an individual skill, but with no understanding of the context of importance of the feat. It totally changes the experience of watching a game for the worse. I think Blowers is decent as a color man, and Rick Rissz is infinitely better when he switches over from radio to do TV.

I also watch many Twins games and still have a soft spot for Dick Bremer and Bert Blyleven, although that has a lot to do with sentimentality. They do a good job capturing the storylines of the team over the course of the season, but their good old boy act can be a little grating. Dan Gladden does Twins radio and has improved a tremendous amount over several years.

Other than those guys, I think the list has a lot of the best teams near the top- the Mets, Scully, the Cubs are all good in my mind. Hawk is the only one who is truly unlistenably bad.
   70. philphan Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4696656)
Related topic of discussion: are there any teams whose radio crew is either as good or as bad as their TV crew?


I also am trying to give the new Phillies TV crew some time to grow, but it is hard, considering that years ago we had Rich Ashburn, Harry Kalas, and By Saam. However, just wanted to mention that the Phils' radio team is quite listenable--Scott Franzke does a very good job.

Mets fans are actually really lucky, having the Cohen-Hernandez-Darling crew on TV and Howie Rose on the radio. And yes, Yankees fans are doubly unfortunate in their dual broadcast teams.
   71. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4696658)
are there any teams whose radio crew is either as good or as bad as their TV crew?

the brewers radio crew is quite good
   72. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4696668)
I'm still waiting on the critique of Vinny from the '86 World Series. I have a feeling it was a hit and run by a Mets fan that is still angry that Vinny read the "thank yous" to the NBC folks before the end of game 6.
   73. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4696671)
the brewers radio crew is quite good
I actually tune in to Brewers radio to listen to Uecker. I used to tune in for Kalas in Philly and Harwell in Detroit. I'll tune in to listen to Miller in SF. Mario Impemba in Detroit is really underrated; I've been a fan of his since he was in Anaheim.

MLB.com is really useful.
   74. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 29, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4696674)
Mets fans are actually really lucky, having the Cohen-Hernandez-Darling crew on TV and Howie Rose on the radio. And yes, Yankees fans are doubly unfortunate in their dual broadcast teams.


You know, I think Michael Kay is a #########. His radio show (from what I have heard of it) is awful. But he really isn't a bad PBP guy, especially when he is paired with Kenny Singleton. The Yanks are so far the worst (at least TV, radio is another story) that it shouldn't even be discussed.
   75. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4696681)
How could you possibly love Johnny Most?


If you were a Celtics fan loving Johnny was easy. He was absolutely a homer but it was hysterical. It was pretty standard to turn down the sound on the TV and turn on the radio when I was a kid because it really was like two different games. When McHale clotheslined Rambis he described it as "a hard foul."

He was also very good. At the tail end of his career he started to slip but for most of his career he was a very good announcer. One thing you got EVERY time was the score and time; "Bird steps back, fiddles and diddles...and HITS and the Celtics lead 43-32 with 9:05 to go in the second." Following basketball on the radio that is absolutely necessary.
   76. Esoteric Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:16 PM (#4696695)
the brewers radio crew is quite good
Which is exactly what I said in that post! They're one of the few exceptions I can think of that's strong on both sides: good-to-great modern PBP/analysis on the TV, and a living legend on the radio in Ueck.

As for my personal preferences, I'll take Ueck every time. In fact, every now and then I'll tune into a random Brewers game (moreso this season with the improbably hot start they're off to) on MLB.com just to listen to Uecker make the call on the radio feed. Only other announcer I'll do that for is Scully.
   77. Esoteric Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4696701)
I'm late to this discussion, but I can't believe that Dave Sims of the Mariners is anywhere outside of the bottom 5.
As a Mariners fan, I'm still not over the death of Dave Niehaus. Rizzs, Sims, and Blowers have been handling the TV forever, but it's going to take a long, long while until they feel like anything except the "B Team" to me after years of Niehaus. (Which reminds me: I can't even imagine how hard the poor bastards who have to eventually take over from Vin Scully and Bob Uecker are going to have it.) Mike Blowers is actually the best of them, IMO: as the Awful Announcing article's reader quotes on the M's indicate, he's quietly become one of the better analysts/color guys in the game.
   78. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4696703)
MLB.com is really useful.

best buy in sports from any angle
   79. if nature called, ladodger34 would listen Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:32 PM (#4696706)
I'll just say that Paul Sunderland (the guy who took over from Chick) got a raw deal. He was better than Joel Meyers or Bill McDonald. It's too bad the Lakers couldn't hold on to Spiro Dedes (or at least put him on TV). The guy replacing the legend always gets a raw deal, but in the Lakers case, I think it was even tougher. When Vin retires, Charlie Steiner will be the TV guy and regardless of his abilities, he has been on the radio so long now that people won't judge him the same way.

The problem with Chick is that he did both (better) and he didn't have an "heir apparent".
   80. Esoteric Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4696710)
best buy in sports from any angle
You said it, friend. With a 162-game season as opposed to the laggard's pace of the NBA, NHL, and NFL, the value-for-money proposition is immense. Even the local TV blackout restrictions aren't a huge dealbreaker given the fact that 1.) the radio feeds are always still available (and incidentally are always in sync with Gameday/real-time, as opposed to enervating 10 second delay of TV); 2.) the Gameday app almost always updates with video clips of the most interesting plays in a reasonably quick fashion.
   81. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:36 PM (#4696713)
I used to love the Celtics' Johnny Most for many reasons**, but nobody but NOBODY could top his whining when the Celtics had a foul called against them.

How could you possibly love Johnny Most?


Because he was a damn good announcer with a distinctive personality. Homerism doesn't bother me if the mike guy lets me know the basics of what's going on.

And it's not just because I like the Celtics, either. My favorite PA announcer of all time was the Sixers' Dave Zinkoff, AKA "The Mouth That Roared." Although when #33 scored a bucket against his team, you could barely hear his "Bird" over the kid next to you eating cotton candy. He was the purest of homers, but a great announcer as well.

By contrast, the PA announcers today are little more than wannabee Michael Buffers with light shows. You could program a three year old with an amplifier to do their job.

But if you want my nominee for the firing squad, of course it'd be Vitale. The sound goes off the second his schtick comes on.

   82. andrewberg Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4696722)
Mike Blowers is actually the best of them, IMO: as the Awful Announcing article's reader quotes on the M's indicate, he's quietly become one of the better analysts/color guys in the game.


I think his laid back style would fit better next to someone with whom he had better chemistry. I like Blowers, but Sims just constantly takes me out of the moment.
   83. base ball chick Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4696725)
agree with harvey 100% about the brewers and also about brennaman/brantley - milo hamilton was senile, but those 2 are so far beyond awful that i got no good adjective for it

mlb.tv WOULD be the best buy if you could actually watch your local team which is not available on regular tv - but then again, i am not a fan of mine no mo so besides the comedy part, i don't care
   84. dr. scott Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4696726)
Thanks to MLB.com I can listen to the games on the train during commuting, but for the most part i rarely have a chance to listen to the broadcasters as I'm rarely home or in a place where I'm comfortable wearing headphones (either safety, work or rudeness issues). That being said as I still watch games at dinner/bars I will still hear a decent amount of Giants and A's broadcasts when its an important or close game. Obviously miss Bill King, but both broadcast teams have always impressed me.
   85. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 29, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4696734)
(This applies to Hawk. He doesn't call baseball games, he calls White Sox games.)


And why shouldn't he? That's a serious question. Ninety percent of his listeners are Sox fans, so why shouldn't he call the game for them?
   86. snowles Posted: April 29, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4696757)
Dear TBS. Please take Buck Martinez. Permanently.

Why he decided that he wanted to do play-by-play instead of colour after 20 years, and why Rogers Sportsnet allowed him to do this will always be a mystery. Why they teamed him up with the completely banal Pat Tabler is even more of a mystery. So now we have 2 former role players with little knowledge of baseball (everything not a fastball is now a breaking ball - change-ups and splitters included) who do nothing but gush over the other team's "big and strong" players.

Radio's still good, though I miss Alan Ashby in Toronto, guy brought the truth and wasn't afraid to sugarcoat it.

Never thought I'd say it, but I wish Jack Morris would come back.
   87. Greg K Posted: April 29, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4696792)
He didn't have great broadcasting style, but for substance I miss Rance Mulliniks.

At the end of the day I don't really mind. Announcers are sort of like white noise to me anyway, it's quite easy to tune them out.
   88. madvillain Posted: April 29, 2014 at 02:59 PM (#4696801)
And why shouldn't he? That's a serious question. Ninety percent of his listeners are Sox fans, so why shouldn't he call the game for them?


90's Hawk and 2005 Hawk are so far removed from 2014 Hawk that it's really hard for even me, a kid when he was in his "prime" (one dog, Big Hurt, Black Jack) to reconcile the senile, bitter Hawk we have today with those versions. He's an awful announcer now, for awhile there he was pretty damn good imo. Stone is pretty good he knows a lot about how pitchers attack hitters and it shows. SABER wise he's even started to embrace WAR and BABIP. Stone takes himself way too seriously however, which is why Hawk had to drop the "Stony Pony" intro, which was just good fun imo.

I'm with @25, the TB crew sucks. They spewed so much #### towards the Sox this last series you'd think the Rays were 20 time world champions and playing a AAA team.
   89. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:00 PM (#4696804)
With a 162-game season as opposed to the laggard's pace of the NBA, NHL, and NFL, the value-for-money proposition is immense.

NFL aside, I don't understand this.
   90. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4696833)
i wish i knew why the people who own the teams have decided that watchers prefer lousy announcers to good ones. i understand they are paid to be homers, but just the same, why all the gossip and talk about parties for their kidz and golf games?

I think the problem is that there's no way to truly quantify this sort of thing. How much does it really affect ratings? The same team is there every day for the whole year, so there's no real comparison. It's not like a talk show where the presence of a certain guest may boost the ratings.

I have to imagine that Hawk is hurting the White Sox ratings, at least to some extent. If I'm bouncing around the dial and the White Sox are the only game on, I actually do not watch it. But there's no way to compare and contrast the ratings.

Same thing for Fox in the playoffs. They put extreme facial closeups on the screen. They get ratings. But there's no other playoff baseball to compare it to. Sure, there are games on TBS and such, but those are earlier rounds, or different starting times, or whatever. Plus, I'm not going to stop watching the playoffs just because Fox has morons in charge of what a broadcast should be like.
   91. Moeball Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4696846)
agree with harvey 100% about the brewers and also about brennaman/brantley - milo hamilton was senile, but those 2 are so far beyond awful that i got no good adjective for it


Was Brennaman somehow hired by Bud Selig? I've never heard an announcer who seemed to take such joy in trashing his own guys (especially Votto). This falls right in line with the whole Selig regime of trashing the product, unlike the NBA and NFL which promote the heck out of their players.

milo hamilton was senile


bbc - didn't hamilton used to be pretty good when he was younger, though? That's how I had always heard it.

If you were a Celtics fan loving Johnny was easy. He was absolutely a homer

Homerism doesn't bother me


This applies to Hawk. He doesn't call baseball games, he calls White Sox games.

And why shouldn't he? That's a serious question. Ninety percent of his listeners are Sox fans, so why shouldn't he call the game for them?

Well, I am a fan of the sports themselves first, and a fan of the teams second. Maybe I'm unusual in that regard. I appreciate great play regardless of which team is providing it and I expect announcers to be able to do the same. I also recognize when I'm seeing crap and I also expect the announcers to be able to do that, too.

If all you want is for the announcer to say Our Team is Great and the Other Guys Suck, regardless of what is actually happening in the game, well, I don't know what to say to you. We're just in a totally different frame of mind.
   92. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4696856)
And why shouldn't he? That's a serious question. Ninety percent of his listeners are Sox fans, so why shouldn't he call the game for them?
That's the argument for homers, and if you're that guy, that's fine. I like baseball, so if I tune in to a baseball game involving the White Sox and the call isn't for baseball, then I'm going to think, "This call ####### sucks. I'm changing the station."
   93. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:43 PM (#4696870)
Agree with Harvey on Cincy Reds broadcast team. I watch and listen from time to time and wonder how these guys can do it, night after night, the hand wringing, one calamity after another, you'd think Thom was witnessing the Hindenburg everyday of his life. Meanwhile, Brantley's presence is quite bizarre, it's as if he doesn't know he's part of a broadcast team, he thinks he's sitting in the stands, or a couch with a PBP guy in his ear.
   94. geonose Posted: April 29, 2014 at 03:59 PM (#4696901)
I have never been a huge fan of Mr. Physioc, but I will say that he was actually a decent PBP guy when Hudler wasn't around.

This has always been the rap on Physioc, I thought: he's actually not bad at all, but he's dragged down by the anchor of Rex Hudler, with whom he is as inextricably associated as Vanzetti is with Sacco.

Completely disagree. Pay strict attention to Physioc and you will discover that he makes statements of fact that simply aren't true. And I mean really dumb things like "the Royals have never led in this game" when they scored first. Hudler may be aggravating, but Physic is just plain bad.
   95. dejarouehg Posted: April 29, 2014 at 04:51 PM (#4696959)
I'm still waiting on the critique of Vinny from the '86 World Series. I have a feeling it was a hit and run by a Mets fan that is still angry that Vinny read the "thank yous" to the NBC folks before the end of game 6.


Sorry, I actually had to work since posting. IT was not a "hit and run" and I could care less that Scully read the thank you's any more than I cared that the Mets posted a congratulations message on the scoreboard crowning the Red Sox the 1986 World Champs. What I do remember is Scully criticizing Hojo and Davey Johnson in game 6, including when he thought he was off camera going into break. It wreaked of a lack of knowledge on his part of how the Mets played all year long.

Yes, I am a Mets - and Cubs - fan, but i have no emotion about a broadcast. REally couldn't give a sh**. Just remember being underwhelmed by Scully's work in that series.

   96. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 29, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4696989)

Completely disagree. Pay strict attention to Physioc and you will discover that he makes statements of fact that simply aren't true. And I mean really dumb things like "the Royals have never led in this game" when they scored first. Hudler may be aggravating, but Physic is just plain bad.


I agree with this. I've grown numb to Rex's schtick and besides, he's the color man, he's paid to say colorful things. Physioc is the PBP guy, which means his job is to tell us what is going on in the field (even more important when he does radio which he does on a regular basis), and he consistently fails at this, even when not paired with Rex.

The worst thing about Rex is that he really does make everyone worse though. I imagine Physioc maybe was competent back in the day before he was paired with Rex. Ryan Lefebvre had finally grown on me by the time the team hired Rex. Now when Rex is paired with Lefebvre, Ryan has to spend half the telecast explaining or clarifying what Rex said or just offering a "wha?????"
   97. A New Leaf (Black Hawk Reign of Terror) Posted: April 29, 2014 at 05:47 PM (#4697016)
I've said it before, but I think the worse thing that ever happened to Rex Hudler was pairing him with Physioc. Physioc simply encourages the nonsense. Hudler, believe it or not, improved substantially as an announcer over his time with the Angels, and seemed to work at it. But Physioc encouraged every bad behavior he had. What's more, I've never encountered a play-by-play guy who gets more calls wrong. Physioc constantly will stop paying attention in the middle of a play, assuming the outcome, then when it goes a different way (usually because of an error), expresses shock and surprise, followed by a lengthy explanation of why he got the call wrong.

Once, there was some force play at second and he called the out and the guy dropped the ball and the runner was safe. "Oh, he's safe!!!" exclaimed Physioc, after someone told him what happened. "Yeah," said Hudler, "when the ump puts his arms out to the side, that usually means he's safe."

Hudler, for all his faults, is full of sincerity and enthusiasm and kind words. If your play-by-play skills are so inept that you draw snark out of Rex Hudler, it's time to put in an application at Walmart.
   98. A New Leaf (Black Hawk Reign of Terror) Posted: April 29, 2014 at 05:49 PM (#4697017)
Physioc's inability to correctly describe events transpiring right in front of him extends to other sports, btw. In football, in basketball, whatever. It's simply unbelievable.

He also doesn't know math. Say the score is 4-1. The trailing team scores a run to make it 4-2. "They've cut the lead in half!" Physioc claims, every single damn time this happens. Two is not one-half of three!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
   99. Chone Mueller Posted: April 29, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4697023)
I have three big screens in the living room with the MLB Extra Innings package so I watch a lot of baseball on TV. I usually have the choice of the home or visiting team's broadcast. I almost always go to the visiting broadcast these days for one reason -- to avoid the ultra annoying dolly in the stands with a microphone. Some teams even split the screen and show their insipid fan interviews during the game. The worst offender of all has to be the Giants. They have a 30-something woman who talks like a seventh grader as she fantasizes about clipping a lock of Buster Posey's hair or having Matt Cain over for her next slumber party. It is truly sickening.

I must give praise to the Tigers' crew for consistently focusing on the game. I don't want a roundtable discussion of steroids, Jeter's retirement, Donald Sterling, etc. I don't care about the fans in the stands. Just give me the game, please. Oh, and I like the new Angels crew for not being Physioc and Hudler.
   100. Zach Posted: April 29, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4697035)
I hated Hudler his first year with the Royals, but I think he's calmed down a little bit this year. He's not as gratingly overenthusiastic.

It's a shame, because Fred White, Denny Matthews, Ryan Lefebvre and Paul Splittorf were all calm, friendly, engaging announcers. I've listened to an awful lot of bad baseball from Denny Matthews, and he always kept the interest level up without resorting to forced enthusiasm.
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