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Friday, July 30, 2010

B-ref Blog: Player contracts, agents, services times, and salaries

Greetings from Chairman Sean!

It’s the 10th of the big 10 updates on behalf of B-ref’s 10th anniversary.

(Does this mean we’ll get 11 big updates next year)?

Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 30, 2010 at 10:19 PM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Sleepy's still holding up that little wild bouquet Posted: July 30, 2010 at 10:57 PM (#3604254)
This is awesome, especially the "earliest arb eligible" and "earliest free agent" bits. That will save a lot of time (and arguments).

It would be even more useful if it had the future salary information and number of options remaining...
   2. Sean Forman Posted: July 30, 2010 at 11:11 PM (#3604263)
It has future salary. Check details and the team payrolls.
   3. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 30, 2010 at 11:12 PM (#3604266)
It would be even more useful if it had the future salary information and number of options remaining...


Eventually it will have future statistics for every player, including those who haven't been born.
   4. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: July 30, 2010 at 11:29 PM (#3604288)
I worry that at some point soon the sheer awesomness of B-ref will cause a black hole that will destroy the solar system. Not that it won't have been worth it ...
   5. AndrewJ Posted: July 31, 2010 at 12:21 AM (#3604340)
Come out with an iPhone/iPod/iPad app already, Sean, while we're young!
   6. Der-K: downgraded to lurker Posted: July 31, 2010 at 12:41 AM (#3604356)
I noticed this tonight, wondered how long it had been there. Awesome stuff, yet again.
   7. Juan V Posted: July 31, 2010 at 01:33 AM (#3604399)
For next year, each player page will include the PED cocktail he takes/took.
   8. Lassus Posted: July 31, 2010 at 02:01 AM (#3604421)
Does this make Cot's obsolete?
   9. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: July 31, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3604472)
B-R is making everything obsolete. Which will be bad, in a way. Competition breeds improvement.

Sean's done a good job so far of keeping the site readable despite vastly increasing the amount of information available. At some point it seems like it will get too cluttered. There's probably a point at which you can't see the forest for the trees, the volume of data is too much. Not that I want him to stop adding new stuff, if it's informative. I just foresee a day when I personally will go blind from trying to take it all in.

I was really hoping the last big update would be Negro League stats. I recall Sean saying a couple years back it didn't seem feasible, but more recently I thought he had hinted somewhere something could be coming. I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed.
   10. Barnaby Jones Posted: July 31, 2010 at 04:54 AM (#3604547)
Awesome.

I'm somewhat surprised that Cots is supplying info here, since BPro hired the proprietor and promised that said info would be incorporated into their site. But then again, I haven't heard anything else since they announced that, so who knows.
   11. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2010 at 05:57 AM (#3604564)
Sean continues to build the empire. This pretty much makes bref the only site you need for baseball info
   12. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 31, 2010 at 06:04 AM (#3604566)
Baseball stuff I can think of that other places have that b-ref doesn't have (yet):

- Pitcher run support metric (ESPN Encyclopedia)
- Days (or is it games?) lost to the DL (ESPN 'cyclopedia)
- Umpires (retrosheet)
- Coaches (retrosheet)
- Some pre-1920 gamelogs (retrosheet - and that's only a little bit as of now)
   13. Crashburn Alley Posted: July 31, 2010 at 06:42 AM (#3604573)
There is run support on individual pitcher-season game logs, but no sortable leaderboard. Not sure if you're looking for the former or latter but just wanted to clarify.
   14. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 31, 2010 at 06:58 AM (#3604578)
There is run support on individual pitcher-season game logs, but no sortable leaderboard.

Right, I've seen that, but the ESPN 'cyclopedia takes things a bit further.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: July 31, 2010 at 07:28 AM (#3604586)
I orginally opposed the idea, but now I like the idea of accounts that allow you to customize your player selection. I thought it was a stupid fantasy gesture that Sean proposed to satisfy the fantasy fans, but as I do my own simulation leagues, I think it would be a fun idea to allow people to create accounts that allows them to save individual pages to check up on them time to time.

And just looking through the numbers, there doesn't seem to be Dips era anywhere... This is a way better stat than something as silly as fangraphs war for pitchers. (ok, to be honest, rbi's is about as good for hitters as fangraphs war is for pitchers)
   16. Meatwad Posted: July 31, 2010 at 08:28 AM (#3604592)
Dag give it time and bref will be intergrated with retro sheet, not saying i know something thats up buut seems like it would be q good move in bring them together as one. Also anything espn has im sure sean will be able to get it and then some he is god afterall
   17. Sean Forman Posted: July 31, 2010 at 11:04 AM (#3604603)
There is run support on individual pitcher-season game logs, but no sortable leaderboard. Not sure if you're looking for the former or latter but just wanted to clarify.


If you go to more stats for pitchers, we have two types of run support in the Starting Pitcher panel. The league Starting Pitcher panel is essentially a leaderboard.

Here is the NL Run Support/Gm


http://www.baseball-reference.com/leagues/NL/2010-starter-pitching.shtml#players_starter_pitching::28
   18. McCoy Posted: July 31, 2010 at 11:23 AM (#3604607)
B-R is making everything obsolete. Which will be bad, in a way. Competition breeds improvement.

I was thinking about this the other day but sites like BRef certainly raise the level of knowledge of any baseball fan that has access to the internet. A decade ago somebody who was interested in baseball stats and who knew their way around the internet would have a huge advantage over people who didn't play around on the internet. Now even a noobie can pull up with relative ease advanced stats for any player they want and can do so while only knowing an extremely small handful of sites.

Now if Sean would just get the splits leaderboard working that would be great.
   19. WillYoung Posted: July 31, 2010 at 01:19 PM (#3604623)
I noticed this a week or two ago. Now that I see how technical you made the salary info, I wish I had kept more meticulous notes for the agents.
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: August 01, 2010 at 08:18 AM (#3605376)
Now if Sean would just get the splits leaderboard working that would be great.

yep, pretty much the only reason I go to ESPN for stats is they have sortable in season stats by splits and include the rookie option. Just yesterday I wanted to see how John Jay was doing in the month of July in comparison to all other National Leaguers (I knew he led in average, just didn't know where his ops ranked) and apparently he's first in that too and Edmonds is having a heck of a month also.

Nobody that I know of as of right now has splits that you can drill down though. (say leaderboard for post all star break in clutch situations type of thing) CBS used to allow you to do that, but their site sucked so bad that I haven't gone back in years. Heck even Baseball-Reference is getting annoyingly slow in comparison to the past and the random pop-up adds really screw your ability to click and scroll. It's still better than everyone else but the difference in speed is not nearly as great as it used to be.
   21. Sleepy's still holding up that little wild bouquet Posted: August 01, 2010 at 08:43 AM (#3605377)
It has future salary. Check details and the team payrolls.


Hmm, not sure how I missed that. Good stuff.
   22. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: August 01, 2010 at 11:51 AM (#3605389)
Does this make Cot's obsolete?


Cot's still has information on bonuses, no-trade clauses and contract options and other contract details. It also has historical contract information, and the date that the player's contract was purchased by the major league club. You can sort of try to figure out the number of options remaining from that.

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