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BA: Houston Astros Top 10 Prospects

1. Carlos Correa, ss
2. Jonathan Singleton, 1b
3. George Springer, of
4. Lance McCullers, rhp
5. Mike Foltynewicz, rhp
6. Delino DeShields, 2b
7. Jarred Cosart, rhp
8. Rio Ruiz, 3b
9. Nick Tropeano, rhp
10. Nolan Fontana, ss

The Astros fire sale didn’t help that much, but they have a good top 10 now based on a great 2012 draft (which added players 1, 4, 8 and 10).

JJ1986 Posted: November 26, 2012 at 12:29 PM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: astros, phillies, prospects

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   1. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 26, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4309798)
4. Lance McCullers, rhp


I assume there's a "Jr." attached to this.

Edit: And I think I already knew that Delino DeShields Jr. was around, but it doesn't make me feel any less old.
   2. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 26, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4309806)
Have the Phillies ever traded away a pitching prospect who became valuable?* I know I should be annoyed that Jarred Cosart is now a top Astros prospect, but all I can think is that his best case scenario is Kyle Drabek.

*except Adam Eaton
   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: November 26, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4309807)
What makes me feel old is that Correa was born 8 days after Bud Selig officially cancelled the 1994 World Series.
   4. morineko Posted: November 26, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4309818)
I've seen Cosart pitch and I do think he's MLB quality; just not sure of how high that particular quality is. The kid has some control issues.
   5. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 26, 2012 at 02:44 PM (#4309841)
Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez. I retract my statement.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: November 26, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4309844)
Fergie Jenkins. :-)
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 26, 2012 at 03:47 PM (#4309880)
Ryne Sandberg
   8. MSI Posted: November 26, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4309887)
Any of the prospects from the JA Happ trade with the Blue Jays? Kevin Comer, Asher Woj, Joe Musgrove?
   9. ColonelTom Posted: November 26, 2012 at 05:05 PM (#4309939)
Whither Domingo Santana (#6 last year)? He hit .302/.385/.536 in A+ ball as a 19-year-old. Granted, it's the California League, but those numbers don't scream collapse to me. Has the system become that much stronger, or is there a reason Santana's dropped off the radar?
   10. philphan Posted: November 26, 2012 at 05:15 PM (#4309946)
Gavin Floyd, Gio Gonzalez. I retract my statement.


Well, given that he spent only one year in the Phillies minor leage system (bookended by years with the White Sox), I would not necessarily count Gio as a Phillies pitching prospect who got away. I'm sure if we had held onto him for a couple more years, we would have screwed him up also.
   11. Joe Kehoskie Posted: November 26, 2012 at 06:27 PM (#4310032)
107-loss team bereft of impact-caliber talent + switch to AL West + this Top 10 list = very long rebuilding process. As someone for whom the Astros are still a sentimental favorite, it's a sad state of affairs.
   12. Spahn Insane Posted: November 26, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4310062)
Rio Ruiz is a great name, if nothing else.
   13. Willie Mayspedester Posted: November 26, 2012 at 07:59 PM (#4310077)
Is great name the sabermetrics version of good face for scouts?
   14. jayjay Posted: November 26, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4310119)
@ColonelTom: I wonder if Santana didn't make it because of his less-than-impressive strikeout rate.
   15. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 26, 2012 at 09:56 PM (#4310145)
Whither Domingo Santana (#6 last year)? He hit .302/.385/.536 in A+ ball as a 19-year-old. Granted, it's the California League, but those numbers don't scream collapse to me. Has the system become that much stronger, or is there a reason Santana's dropped off the radar?


John Manuel addressed this in the chat (subscribers only). Santana was dropped to #11 largely because of his propensity to swing and miss.

It's not only the Cal League, it's Lancaster, and it's a tossup as to whether that park or High Desert inflates offensive stats more.

-- MWE
   16. ColonelTom Posted: November 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4310184)
Thanks, Mike. Looks like another former Phils' "top prospect" that may not pan out.
   17. Tricky Dick Posted: November 27, 2012 at 01:17 AM (#4310319)
Whither Domingo Santana (#6 last year)? He hit .302/.385/.536 in A+ ball as a 19-year-old. Granted, it's the California League, but those numbers don't scream collapse to me. Has the system become that much stronger, or is there a reason Santana's dropped off the radar?


He gets a variety of rankings. Baseball Prospectus has Santana in the Astros Top 10. I tend to agree. His numbers in the same league and on the same team are pretty much the same as George Springer (including K rate), who is ranked No. 3, and Santana is younger at age 19. Granted he is a corner outfielder rather than a centerfielder, but he has a plus arm in RF. I think his ceiling is quite high, but his floor may be low too.
   18. base ball chick Posted: November 27, 2012 at 01:58 AM (#4310342)
lancaster is a coors-like hitters' paradise, especially because they have a strong out-blowing wind. any pitcher with good numbers there is someone to be respected. the Organization almost always has their pimped pitchers skip over lancaster. so i personally disregard lancaster numbers unless the hitter hits mostly singles and line drive doubles because the BA/SLG is going to dive when they get to AA corpus. so me, i'm waiting to see how santana does THIS year. seems to me that Organizations tolerate pretty high K rates in their pimpees as long as the BA is good.

all the prospect people rate the youngest guys they can who have a "ceiling" even if they have only played a couple of games of pro ball. or none at all. they have minimal interest in guys who just might could like actually make the major leagues THIS year. especially if they are "old"

i'm more interested in who could help the ballclub NOW than who could turn into barry lamar in 4 years assuming everything goes right and he don't get hurt and the wind don't change, that is
   19. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 27, 2012 at 08:21 AM (#4310399)
Is great name the sabermetrics version of good face for scouts?


Scouts like great names, too - there's a bit on it in "Dollar Sign on the Muscle". It's one of the ties that binds all baseball lovers together.
   20. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: November 27, 2012 at 09:02 AM (#4310408)
Whither Domingo Santana (#6 last year)? He hit .302/.385/.536 in A+ ball as a 19-year-old.
I remember following Red Sox hitters coming through Lancaster, before the Sox determined it was actively detrimental to player development to have an A-ball club located on the third moon of Saturn and got the hell out of there. Some highlights:

332/456/592 (Aaron Bates, 1B)
370/455/665 (Bubba Bell, CF)
330/423/579 (Zach Daeges, LF)
326/411/492 (Tony Granadillo, 2B)
301/411/549 (Mickey Hall, RF)
300/385/468 (Ryan Khoury, 3B)

It's not baseball.
   21. ColonelTom Posted: November 27, 2012 at 09:13 AM (#4310411)
You really have to wonder why any team would put a minor-league affiliate there.
   22. zonk Posted: November 27, 2012 at 09:55 AM (#4310427)
Well, I still like Santana... and I think Singleton will be a stud, too. I remember reading somewhere that Cozart can be a bit of an #######, but he's a legit prospect, too (if he were in the Cubs system, I'd think he'd immediately be their 2nd best pitching prospect, depending on one's thoughts on Ardoys/TJ comebacks).

The Astros seemed to do OK with the Pence trade in my opinion...
   23. JJ1986 Posted: November 27, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4310578)
all the prospect people rate the youngest guys they can who have a "ceiling" even if they have only played a couple of games of pro ball. or none at all. they have minimal interest in guys who just might could like actually make the major leagues THIS year. especially if they are "old"

i'm more interested in who could help the ballclub NOW than who could turn into barry lamar in 4 years assuming everything goes right and he don't get hurt and the wind don't change, that is


Proximity to the Majors helps ratings. For example, LJ Hoes and Xavier Avery are rated 6-7 on the Orioles list, Bruce Rondon is rated 3 on the Tigers and Jake Odorizzi is rated 5 on the Royals list, all above their "talent" level. It's a good thing for the Astros that guys like Rudy Owens don't make the list. It means even though he's ready, he's still outranked by their top prospects.
   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 27, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4310611)
You really have to wonder why any team would put a minor-league affiliate there.


Generally speaking, it comes down to a lack of other good options.
   25. Willie Mayspedester Posted: November 27, 2012 at 02:21 PM (#4310699)
Scouts like great names, too - there's a bit on it in "Dollar Sign on the Muscle". It's one of the ties that binds all baseball lovers together.


Ahh just like the triple crown.
   26. Chicago Joe Posted: November 27, 2012 at 03:01 PM (#4310734)
Scouts like great names


If Domingo would switch to pitching, he could be a Sunday starter.
   27. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 27, 2012 at 03:13 PM (#4310741)
Scouts like great names

And yet there doesn't seem to be prejudice against players with bad names, like "Everett Teaford" or "Noah Syndergaard".
   28. JJ1986 Posted: November 29, 2012 at 12:17 PM (#4312340)
Domingo Santana is 11th, for what it's worth.

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