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Monday, August 01, 2011

Baker: End of the Erik Bedard and Bill Bavasi era for the Mariners

The fact that Josh Fields will be added in to the outgoing Seattle portion of the deal matters little. Fields never really took in Seattle, where he staged a bizarre early holdout for six figures in additional cash when he could have spent part of the 2008 season with the M’s had he played his cards right.

Instead, Fields becomes the fourth and final No. 1 draft pick from the Bill Bavasi era to be traded out of town by GM Jack Zduriencik. Fields joins Jeff Clement, Brandon Morrow and Phillippe Aumont in departing the organization.

We wish Fields well. But he had no future with the M’s. There are too many guys ahead of him, including Josh Lueke, Dan Cortes, Shawn Kelley and—for now—David Aardsma, assuming he signs a team-friendly, incentive-laden deal for when he heals from Tommy John surgery at some point next year. Brandon League? I fully expect him to be dealt this winter.

But Fields is pretty much the end of the top-level Bill Bavasi draft era.

And Bedard leaving marks the end of the trade that sealed Bavasi’s firing from Seattle. A 5-for-1 deal that never was as bad as its critics made it out to be, but also was never going to wind up in a win for the M’s.

Thanks to BeVi.

Repoz Posted: August 01, 2011 at 03:14 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Ghost screws up everything with hubris Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:02 AM (#3890083)
Jack Zduriencik has seemed determined to get rid of every Bill Bavasi dreftee, trade and free agent, save a few who have done very well. Ditching Fields, who wasn't worth much, as a tiny piece of a trade seems like another such move.

That said, I like the Bedard trade for the MRiners. While neither of the guys they got is a sure thing as a major leaguer, they represent real potential.
   2. joker24 Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:35 AM (#3890091)
where he staged a bizarre early holdout for six figures in additional cash when he could have spent part of the 2008 season with the M’s had he played his cards right.


Uhh isn't this situation (busting) exactly the reason TO hold out for more money?
   3. The District Attorney Posted: August 01, 2011 at 06:52 AM (#3890099)
Jack Zduriencik has seemed determined to get rid of every Bill Bavasi dreftee, trade and free agent, save a few who have done very well.
Does this necessarily prove much? The guys who didn't do well weren't good, which is why you get rid of people :)

(Trading Morrow, on the other hand, looked shaky at the time and doesn't look any better now.)

A 5-for-1 deal that never was as bad as its critics made it out to be...
Well, look, unless you're trading Frank Robinson in his prime or something, no one trade can single-handedly destroy a franchise. It would not solve all of the Mariners' problems to have Adam Jones and Chris Tillman right now; that is true. But, the fans didn't think much of Bavasi as a GM anyway. They didn't trust him to properly evaluate the strength of the '07 team, or Jones as a prospect. He made the exact bad move that the fans were afraid he would make. And it turned out to, in fact, be bad. Isn't it natural that people are going to hate that? You get less rope to hang yourself with when you've already thrown yourself over the crossbar.

Bedard leaving marks the end of the trade that sealed Bavasi’s firing from Seattle.
FWIW, the Bedard contract for which Bavasi traded expired last season. The M's then re-signed him this past offseason. Dunno how you classify that.
   4. MM1f Posted: August 01, 2011 at 06:58 AM (#3890100)
"Uhh isn't this situation (busting) exactly the reason TO hold out for more money?"


Fields was a college senior, without leverage, so it was odd to see a guy like that hold out though James Paxton showed this year that holding out despite not having any leverage can, inexplicably, bring you a payday.
The writer's point is that if Fields had signed quickly and pitched well he could have easily made that 100k in bonus money back by earning a callup in August or September. A month of big league salary worth about 75k, plus he could have started his arbitration and free agency clock.

It would not solve all of the Mariners' problems to have Adam Jones and Chris Tillman right now; that is true.
If it makes M's fans feel any better, not only is Tillman not pitching well but apparently his velo is down too.
   5. Don Lock Posted: August 01, 2011 at 01:09 PM (#3890142)
It is probably instructive to recall the two Oriole bombshell trades of 5 for 1 in 2007 that were thought to be spectacular at the time. Eric Bedard went to the Mariners for Adam Jones and George Sherill. The other three players haven't developed into major leaguers. The trade of Miguel Tejada to Houston really only netted Luke Scott and Matt Albers.The Orioles are still in last place.And, of course, so are the Astros and Mariners.
   6. villageidiom Posted: August 01, 2011 at 01:26 PM (#3890156)
The trade of Miguel Tejada to Houston really only netted Luke Scott and Matt Albers.The Orioles are still in last place.
But Matt Albers is in first!
   7. Jose Remains The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 01, 2011 at 01:38 PM (#3890163)
It is probably instructive to recall the two Oriole bombshell trades of 5 for 1 in 2007 that were thought to be spectacular at the time. Eric Bedard went to the Mariners for Adam Jones and George Sherill. The other three players haven't developed into major leaguers. The trade of Miguel Tejada to Houston really only netted Luke Scott and Matt Albers.The Orioles are still in last place.And, of course, so are the Astros and Mariners.


Everything in there is true but that doesn't change what a horrible trade the Bedard trade was. If Adam Jones never gets any better he is going to be a LOT more valuable to the Orioles than Bedard ever was to Seattle. Sherrill gave the Orioles some very good work and it is possible that Tillman will become a good starter (though that's looking less and less likely).

That the Orioles suck is not the fault of these trades, it is the fault of so many other things.
   8. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: August 01, 2011 at 01:44 PM (#3890169)
It is probably instructive to recall the two Oriole bombshell trades of 5 for 1 in 2007 that were thought to be spectacular at the time. Eric Bedard went to the Mariners for Adam Jones and George Sherill. The other three players haven't developed into major leaguers. The trade of Miguel Tejada to Houston really only netted Luke Scott and Matt Albers.The Orioles are still in last place.And, of course, so are the Astros and Mariners.

I don't think anyone thought the Tejada trade was "spectacular." Most thought it was solid, and it was. Scott alone has been worth more than Tejada.
   9. bookbook Posted: August 01, 2011 at 03:19 PM (#3890253)
The article seems to be attacking Bedard's character for being injury-prone, disclaimers aside. Which seems kind of silly.
   10. Bob Tufts Posted: August 01, 2011 at 04:41 PM (#3890325)
Yeah, Bedard's a real wimp. He faked Tommy John surgery, a torn labrum and bone spurs.

Nothing better than another passive/aggressive column from someone who never played the game at that level and believes that he is an amateur surgeon and psychiatrist.

In this case, it's very easy to see why pitchers get hurt - watch a slow motion release of the ball and the angle of the forearm - it is a physically unnatural motion. Try to do that while sitting at your keyboard, Geoff!

I shouldn't ask you to do any additional types of unnatural motion, as it look like you already put your head up your a@@.
   11. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: August 01, 2011 at 05:08 PM (#3890351)
I don't think anyone thought the Tejada trade was "spectacular." Most thought it was solid, and it was. Scott alone has been worth more than Tejada.
I think most Orioles fans thought that getting anything for Tejada at that point was spectacular, especially given that he was traded the day before the Mitchell Report.
   12. base ball chick Posted: August 02, 2011 at 07:56 PM (#3891303)
10. Bob Tufts Posted: August 01, 2011 at 12:41 PM (#3890325)

Yeah, Bedard's a real wimp. He faked Tommy John surgery, a torn labrum and bone spurs.

Nothing better than another passive/aggressive column from someone who never played the game at that level and believes that he is an amateur surgeon and psychiatrist.

In this case, it's very easy to see why pitchers get hurt - watch a slow motion release of the ball and the angle of the forearm - it is a physically unnatural motion. Try to do that while sitting at your keyboard, Geoff!

I shouldn't ask you to do any additional types of unnatural motion, as it look like you already put your head up your a@@.


- but bob,
if Erik Bedard was a Real Man(Tm) then he would just rub some dirt on it and go out and Be A Man. Pitchers didn't never get hurt back when Men Were Men and they all pitched 300 innings a year and had no trouble throwing hundreds of pitches every 4th day and relieving too

you don't understand. it's kind of like how jimmie foxx was superior to barry lamar bonds because foxx drank himself out of baseball by age 31 and he hit all those homers drunk, but barry lamar is teh EVULLL because he did stuff like working hard every day to make himself into the best ballplayer evah and i mean, what kind of Real Man works hard every DAY to make himself the best at what he does?

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