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Thursday, July 10, 2008

Baker: Jose Vidro struggles but brings “protection” at cleanup

I believe the Park Sheraton barber shop offered the same quality protection.

Vidro entered Wednesday night’s game with a .213 batting average and a .571 on-base-plus-slugging percentage that makes him among the worst hitters in baseball. But the Mariners designated hitter came through in the fourth inning, lining a double to right field for his first extra-base hit since June 28 and only his fourth since May 24.

Mariners manager Jim Riggleman says he isn’t trying to use Vidro in a typical cleanup role, but to offer “protection” to No. 3 hitter Raul Ibanez against right-handed pitchers. The idea is that Vidro, historically a good contact hitter from both sides of the plate, would make teams think twice about walking Ibanez or pitching around him.

“I know his numbers aren’t as good this year,” Riggleman said. “But he’s still got that reputation that’ll make guys think about not giving Ibanez anything to hit.”

That news will not go over well with some fans, many of whom have expected to see Vidro released for some time now. Vidro entered the night hitting just .211 off righties and .222 off lefties.

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   1. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 10, 2008 at 11:12 AM (#2851658)
“I know his numbers aren’t as good this year,” Riggleman said. “But he’s still got that reputation that’ll make guys think about not giving Ibanez anything to hit.”

Then Riggleman bust out laughing?
   2. Mattbert Posted: July 10, 2008 at 11:56 AM (#2851669)
"Protection from what? Ze Germans?"
   3. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:02 PM (#2851671)
Won't this work in reverse? Won't pitchers be salivating at pitching to Vidro so much that they will pitch around the Dread Mariner Ibanez? Then again, this is Raul Ibanez we're talking about, isn't it? This is so funny on so many levels.

For a few years, Jose Vidro was a nice ballplayer. It is sad to see a player hang on well past his expiration date.
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:15 PM (#2851676)
“I know his numbers aren’t as good this year,” Riggleman said. “But he’s still got that reputation that’ll make guys think about not giving Ibanez anything to hit.”

This is, and I say this without irony or sarcasm, the funniest baseball comment I've heard in a long time. I know Riggleman is just protecting one of his guys, but it's still awesome.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:27 PM (#2851681)
Is Vidro the worst hitter in the last ten years to receive significant playing time at DH?
   6. Cris E Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:32 PM (#2851684)
He might not be the worst if someone had significant injury problems or something. But he could be the worst that a team entered the season with as the intended DH.
   7. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:33 PM (#2851686)
He might not be the worst if someone had significant injury problems or something. But he could be the worst that a team entered the season with as the intended DH.

No one comes to mind, especially if you take into account playing time. We may be seeing something historical here, folks!
   8. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:41 PM (#2851689)
The thing is, Vidro isn't even necessarily the clear worst hitter to be getting significant playing time in Seattle. That team is so poorly conceived and that concept is so poorly executed.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:47 PM (#2851696)
The thing is, Vidro isn't even necessarily the clear worst hitter to be getting significant playing time in Seattle. That team is so poorly conceived and that concept is so poorly executed.

But at least most of the rest have SOME defensive value (not Sexson). Does Seattle have the 4 worst regulars in MLB: Vidro, Sexson, Johjima, and Bloomquist?

Edit: Oh, and Betancourt. His defensive is lousy now, right?
   10. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: July 10, 2008 at 12:48 PM (#2851697)
I was referring to Cairo, who has started several games at first base. Vidro and Cairo have even started simultaneously, which is possibly the worst idea ever.
   11. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 01:08 PM (#2851704)
"Protection from what? Ze Germans?"

Good movie, even if Ritchie did slip "Lucky Star" onto the soundtrack purely for the purpose of getting Madonna a nice fat royalty check.
   12. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 01:10 PM (#2851706)
Seattle DHs, 2008: .188/.247/.278

That's just unbelievably bad.
   13. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 01:16 PM (#2851708)
Seattle DHs, 2008: .188/.247/.278
Wow. That's shocking. And yet they continue to trot Ibanez, who is probably their best hitter out in LF where he clearly doesn't belong. What a mess that franchise is this season.
   14. rfloh Posted: July 10, 2008 at 01:55 PM (#2851730)
OPS+ & EQA:
Johjima : 55, 197
Cairo: 58, 217
Vidro: 58, 198
Bloomquist: 71, 245
Betancourt: 79. 228
Sexson: 90, 250.

Yes, Willie Bloomquist would make a better DH than Vidro.
   15. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 10, 2008 at 01:58 PM (#2851734)
Yes, Willie Bloomquist would make a better DH than Vidro.

Still no extra base hits for Bloomquist this year.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:06 PM (#2851743)
So, this team has basically 2 above average position player (Ichiro, Beltre) and two more above replacement level (Lopez, Ibanez). Although, both Lopez and Ibanez are playing atrocious D according to the numbers I've seen, so may only be barely above replacement level.
   17. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:10 PM (#2851747)
“I know his numbers aren’t as good this year,” Riggleman said. “But he’s still got that reputation that’ll make guys think about not giving Ibanez anything to hit.”

I agree wholeheartedly with the poster above. I don't think I've ever seen a funnier comment.
   18. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:11 PM (#2851748)
Bloomquist, Cairo, and Vidro were all in the lineup Tuesday night to face Duchscherer. 2 hits, but they actually beat the over/under of 1, so it wasn't as bad as it looks. Once Duchscherer gave up a double to Sexson in the fifth to end dreams of a no-no, that quickly turned into the most boring baseball game I've ever attended.
   19. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:12 PM (#2851749)
Is Vidro the worst hitter in the last ten years to receive significant playing time at DH?


Shea Hillenbrand last year, in about the same number of PAs Vidro currently has, hit an OPS+ of 56. Vidro's at 58. The only other DH's ever, below 58 and with more than 275 PA are:

Deron Johnson 1974 57 in 389
Alan Wiggins 1987 54 in 342
Leroy Stanton 1978 46 in 342

The worst DH to qualify for the batting title was Ted Simmons 1984. 532 PA, OPS+ 61.

So, Vidro's right up there.
   20. rfloh Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:22 PM (#2851766)
Still no extra base hits for Bloomquist this year.


At least he gets on base and can run a bit. I'm not sure just what Vidro can do anymore.
   21. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:26 PM (#2851772)
At least he getes on base and can run a bit. I'm not sure just what Vidro can do anymore.

Sure. His oba is good, actually. I just find it fascinating he hasn't even lucked into a bloop double or something.
   22. 1k5v3L Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:26 PM (#2851773)
Vidro brings protection? Well, he can always be my latex salesman.
   23. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:37 PM (#2851786)
Vidro brings protection? Well, he can always be my latex salesman.
And if that doesn't work, he could try being an architect. Or a marine biologist. Or maybe get into the import/export biz. Anyway, I'm happy so long as he doesn't work for the Yankees.
   24. AROM Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:37 PM (#2851787)
Seattle DHs, 2008: .188/.247/.278


It's time to BAN THE DH FOREVER!

Come on, this is professional baseball. I'm disgusted everytime I have to watch these washed-up, positionless outmakers step to the plate. Let the pitchers hit already.
   25. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:38 PM (#2851789)
You look at this train wreck, and it hard to even imagine how you do the tear down/rebuild.

Your only real tradeable commodities (assuming Ichiro and Felix and the cornerstones you buil around) are Beltre, Ibanez, Putz and Bedard. Two are on the DL, and, I don't really see a contender that needs Beltre. Maybe the Dodgers would give you something for Betancourt. Ibanez is a DH, and I don't see who would give you much for him.

I still don't get why Sexson/Vidro/Cairo haven't been cut. Run out some AAAA sluggers.
   26. AROM Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:43 PM (#2851791)
DH totals, 2008:

246/332/413

Angels DH is hitting 249/326/401, not as bad as I thought. All of their rotating DH's are also outfielders though, so banning the DH would just get Matthews out of the lineup. I can support that.
   27. 1k5v3L Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:44 PM (#2851792)
Anyway, I'm happy so long as he doesn't work for the Yankees.
I do hear though that he's a Communist. That's the Yankees ticket to that legendary Cuban lefty that no one has ever seen
   28. Spahn Insane Posted: July 10, 2008 at 02:56 PM (#2851801)
Riggleman's brain apparently decayed significantly since his last managerial gig. What the M's get for violating the time honored rule against hiring former Cub managers.

I knew the Mariners were bad, but those offensive numbers are just, well, offensive. That's just an unbelievably awful offense.
   29. billyshears Posted: July 10, 2008 at 03:04 PM (#2851815)
So Riggleman's argument is that everybody else in baseball's stupidity makes his apparent stupidity actually smart?
   30. Spahn Insane Posted: July 10, 2008 at 03:07 PM (#2851817)
So Riggleman's argument is that everybody else in baseball's stupidity makes his apparent stupidity actually smart?

That seems like a good summation.
   31. Jimmy P Posted: July 10, 2008 at 03:16 PM (#2851828)
Wow. That's shocking. And yet they continue to trot Ibanez, who is probably their best hitter out in LF where he clearly doesn't belong. What a mess that franchise is this season.

Even more, they have Balentien and Micheal Saunders in AAA both capable of playing OF. This team is bad from the top down.
   32. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 10, 2008 at 03:19 PM (#2851829)
Hmmm. DH's they could have had for very little instead of Vidro:

Mike Piazza
Kenny Lofton
Barry Bonds
Sammy Sosa
Russ Branyan
Guys like Chris Shelton they could have taken a flyer on who would be an improvement on Vidro even if they failed miserably
Richard Simmons
Richard Simmons' shiny red shorts

Not to mention their in-house options like Clement and Reed
   33. rfloh Posted: July 10, 2008 at 03:25 PM (#2851831)
Russ Branyan


I wish Beane had signed Branyan instead of Emil Brown
   34. scareduck Posted: July 10, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2851836)
Angels DH is hitting 249/326/401, not as bad as I thought. All of their rotating DH's are also outfielders though, so banning the DH would just get Matthews out of the lineup.


And Lackey off the mound an inning or two earlier in close games. Great tradeoff.
   35. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: July 10, 2008 at 03:29 PM (#2851837)
I enjoy nothing more than absolute foolishness in baseball management. It's more entertaining to me than watching dogs hump. So it's pretty unsettling that the team may have gone so far in the crapper that they'll at least hire a sensible person to be GM, even if not a genius.

My only hope is that Lincoln or Armstrong or whoever just can't pull the trigger on any of these guys/gals and looks at the AL East standings. Chuck Lamar built that team, you guys! Friedman is riding his coattails to success! Do it! For me! Please!
   36. AROM Posted: July 10, 2008 at 03:56 PM (#2851865)
And Lackey off the mound an inning or two earlier in close games. Great tradeoff.


I'd let Lackey hit. Besides, If we play without the DH then our opponent plays without Giambi, Cust, Ortiz, or Thome.

I like that tradeoff, except against the Mariners.
   37. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 04:28 PM (#2851887)
I'd let Lackey hit. Besides, If we play without the DH then our opponent plays without Giambi, Cust, Ortiz, or Thome.

Giambi plays 1B, mostly, and pretty well this year (average according to UZR and very good on scoops). It's Matsui (when healthy) you avoid.
   38. Curse of the Andino Posted: July 10, 2008 at 04:30 PM (#2851889)
I remember being shocked at the start of the year when Aubrey Huff (before his recent tear) was leading all AL DH's in OPS, etc. despite doing exactly what he'd done the (disappointing) year before--270, 330 415 or whatever it was at the end of April.

Ortiz had gotten off to that slow start, and I guess Bradley was hurt or something, but the #s stunned me.

/Too bad the O's are back to 5-inning starters and a shredded bullpen, 'cuz Markakis, Huff and Jones are getting to be fun to watch.
   39. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 10, 2008 at 04:49 PM (#2851908)
Seattle DHs, 2008: .188/.247/.278


Cubs pitchers, 2008: .209/.230/.275
   40. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 04:53 PM (#2851915)
"I wish Beane had signed Branyan instead of Emil Brown"

He probably wouldn't look much worse in left field.

"It's more entertaining to me than watching dogs hump."

Which is saying something, since you're apparently a huge perv.
   41. zonk Posted: July 10, 2008 at 05:14 PM (#2851927)
Heh...

A few weeks back, probably about the time Rigs got the job, I remember there were some questions about why Rigs had gone so long between jobs after the Cubs canned him...

NOW I remember why. Not that there are a whole of great options, but still...
   42. JPWF13 Posted: July 10, 2008 at 05:23 PM (#2851932)
Cnt Player OPS+ PA Year Age Tm
+----+-----------------+----+---+----+---+---+
1 Leroy Stanton 46 342 1978 32 SEA
2 Alan Wiggins 54 342 1987 29 BAL
3 Shea Hillenbrand 56 278 2007 31 TOT
4 Deron Johnson 57 389 1974 35 TOT
5 Jose Vidro 58 269 2008 33 SEA
6 Ted Simmons 61 532 1984 34 MIL
7 Greg Vaughn 62 297 2002 36 TBD
8 Ken Singleton 62 403 1984 37 BAL
9 George Bell 63 436 1993 33 CHW
10 Hubie Brooks 63 320 1992 35 CAL
11 Chris James 63 463 1991 28 CLE
12 Terry Pendleton 65 254 1998 37 KCR
13 Rondell White 66 355 2006 34 MIN
14 Juan Bernhardt 66 317 1977 23 SEA
15 Dave Revering 71 295 1982 29 TOT
16 Carl Everett 72 343 2006 35 SEA
17 Larry Parrish 73 441 1988 34 TOT
18 Cecil Cooper 73 270 1987 37 MIL
19 Reggie Jackson 74 458 1983 37 CAL
20 Willie Horton 74 384 1980 37 SEA
21 Javy Lopez 75 364 2006 35 TOT
22 Ruben Sierra 75 587 1996 30 TOT
23 Al Oliver 75 280 1985 38 TOT
   43. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 05:25 PM (#2851935)
Cnt Player OPS+ PA Year Age Tm
+----+-----------------+----+---+----+---+---+
1 Leroy Stanton 46 342 1978 32 SEA
2 Alan Wiggins 54 342 1987 29 BAL
3 Shea Hillenbrand 56 278 2007 31 TOT
4 Deron Johnson 57 389 1974 35 TOT
5 Jose Vidro 58 269 2008 33 SEA
6 Ted Simmons 61 532 1984 34 MIL
7 Greg Vaughn 62 297 2002 36 TBD
8 Ken Singleton 62 403 1984 37 BAL
9 George Bell 63 436 1993 33 CHW
10 Hubie Brooks 63 320 1992 35 CAL
11 Chris James 63 463 1991 28 CLE
12 Terry Pendleton 65 254 1998 37 KCR
13 Rondell White 66 355 2006 34 MIN
14 Juan Bernhardt 66 317 1977 23 SEA
15 Dave Revering 71 295 1982 29 TOT
16 Carl Everett 72 343 2006 35 SEA
17 Larry Parrish 73 441 1988 34 TOT
18 Cecil Cooper 73 270 1987 37 MIL
19 Reggie Jackson 74 458 1983 37 CAL
20 Willie Horton 74 384 1980 37 SEA
21 Javy Lopez 75 364 2006 35 TOT
22 Ruben Sierra 75 587 1996 30 TOT
23 Al Oliver 75 280 1985 38 TOT


Seattle's on that list an awful lot.
   44. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 05:30 PM (#2851943)
"Protection from what? Ze Germans?"


Finally a reference on this site I understand.
   45. Iwakuma Chameleon (jonathan) Posted: July 10, 2008 at 05:37 PM (#2851953)

I wish Beane had signed Branyan instead of Emil Brown


But....but....we need a right handed bat. TOO MANY LEFTIES!!!!!!

/athleticsnation
   46. Jimmy P Posted: July 10, 2008 at 05:42 PM (#2851962)
it's good he's bringing protection, because it's clear he isn't bringing his bat.
   47. JJ1986 Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:09 PM (#2851999)
Richie Sexson has been released.
   48. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:12 PM (#2852004)
Richie Sexson has been released.

Finally. Miguel Cairo is no longer blocked.
   49. aleskel Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:13 PM (#2852005)
Richie Sexson has been released.

Finally. Miguel Cairo is no longer blocked.


Shooty wins
   50. JJ1986 Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:17 PM (#2852011)
They are replacing Sexson with Tug Hulett. I imagine they need another second baseman because Cairo and Bloomquist are now regulars at other positions.
   51. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:20 PM (#2852016)
They are replacing Sexson with Tug Hulett. I imagine they need another second baseman because Cairo and Bloomquist are now regulars at other positions.

Seriously? Any relation to Tim Hulett?
   52. JJ1986 Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:26 PM (#2852023)
He's his son which makes me feel really old. I remember Tim from RBI Baseball '92. I used to always play as the Orioles for some reason even though I have never even liked the team. He also has a blog.
   53. aleskel Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:29 PM (#2852031)
so Tim Hulett has a son named Tug

Tug McGraw named his son Tim

and Lincoln had a secretary named Kennedy!
   54. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:29 PM (#2852032)
He's his son which makes me feel really old.


So, Tug McGraw had a son named Tim, and Tim Hulett had a son named Tug?

And they both have 9 letters in their names...

edit:

Missed it by that much!
   55. Bump Posted: July 10, 2008 at 06:52 PM (#2852067)
Still no extra base hits for Bloomquist this year.


He actually hit the ball cleanly into the gap to end the July 1st game vs. the Jays, but got credit only for a single. It will only be fitting when his streak ends with a bunt double.
   56. Gambling Rent Czar Posted: July 11, 2008 at 07:02 AM (#2852647)
Just an FYI. Lithtman called you all out on his blog today.
   57. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: July 11, 2008 at 08:52 AM (#2852652)
the only way that Jose Vidro could protect Raul Ibanez is with a rifle
   58. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 11, 2008 at 11:46 AM (#2852664)
Just an FYI. Lithtman called you all out on his blog today.

Meh. I found it an unconvincing argument. I don't recall anyone saying Vidro is the absolute worst hitter in baseball, so he's attacking a strawman anyway. Jose Vidro is the most useless regular in baseball, though, and may be hurting his team more than any other player. Also, it begs the question, if Vidro isn't the worst hitter, then who is? I bet the worst hitters are going to be scrub catchers and middle infielders. I suppose if you want to compare a DH to those guys you're welcome to.
   59. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: July 11, 2008 at 12:06 PM (#2852670)
Just an FYI. Lithtman called you all out on his blog today.

That hombre gets hisself a lotta burrs in his saddle. Git that boy down to the New Age Saloon for some aromatherapy and pomegranate juice follered by a set of yoga and he'll mellow out.
   60. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 11, 2008 at 12:14 PM (#2852672)
That hombre gets hisself a lotta burrs in his saddle. Git that boy down to the New Age Saloon for some aromatherapy and pomegranate juice follered by a set of yoga and he'll mellow out.

Edmundo, bow to the projection and everything will be fine. The projection knows all, sees all.
   61. Spahn Insane Posted: July 11, 2008 at 12:27 PM (#2852686)
Seattle DHs, 2008: .188/.247/.278

Cubs pitchers, 2008: .209/.230/.275


That's hilarious. Only 20 points of OPS separating them, and Cub pitchers have the higher batting average.
   62. Spahn Insane Posted: July 11, 2008 at 12:31 PM (#2852687)
Not only that, but the Cubs' backup second baseman has more extra base hits in 133 at-bats than Vidro has in 253. Fontenot's got 12 doubles and 7 homers; Vidro 10 and 5.
   63. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: July 11, 2008 at 12:41 PM (#2852696)
Seattle DHs, 2008: .188/.247/.278

Cubs pitchers, 2008: .209/.230/.275


I nominate this for statistic of the year.
   64. Spahn Insane Posted: July 11, 2008 at 12:45 PM (#2852700)
The only reason Piniella doesn't follow the lead of his NL Central compatriots (well, 3 of 'em) in batting the pitcher 8th is to give his 8 hitter some protection.
   65. JPWF13 Posted: July 11, 2008 at 01:54 PM (#2852744)
not counting defense.

Jose Vidro

.214/.262/.315

or

A.J. Pierzynski

.291/.327/.434

Vidro of course, and it is not even close.


Methinks MGL just completely blew this one

1: AJ: 2006-08: .281/.322/.422
JV: 2006-08: .294/.353/.379
2: JV is 2 years older

JV is better and it's not even close????
Not even close????????????????
   66. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 11, 2008 at 02:05 PM (#2852751)
I agree entirely with #58. The only thing I'd add is that while MGL has a good point--people should look at more than just this year's stats--Vidro vs. AJ is a lousy example. Even if we're just sticking them at DH (or 1B, where for sake of argument we'll pretend they'd be equal defensive players) I'd rather have AJ.
   67. JPWF13 Posted: July 11, 2008 at 02:14 PM (#2852757)
Ten worst hitters 2008 (250+ PAs):
Cnt Player OPS+ PA Year Age Tm
+----+-----------------+----+---+----+---+---+
1 Freddy Sanchez 49 378 2008 30 PIT
2 Michael Bourn 52 352 2008 25 HOU
3 Joey Gathright 53 259 2008 27 KCR
4 Kenji Johjima 53 254 2008 32 SEA
5 Willy Taveras 56 316 2008 26 COL
6 Jose Vidro 59 274 2008 33 SEA
7 Jason Bartlett 62 298 2008 28 TBR
8 Khalil Greene 66 364 2008 28 SDP
9 Felipe Lopez 67 319 2008 28 WSN
10 Edgar Renteria 69 333 2008 32 DET

If you do it for 2007-08, Vidro "falls" all the way to 95th worst (500+ PAs)

Just 2008 alone however, the 5 guys "above" Vidro all have significantly more defensive value than Vidro, below him? Both Lopez and Renteria are pretty bad defenders, but they are playing short whereas Vidro is basically a DH/1B at this point.

So yeah, just looking at 2008 a good argument could be made that Vidro has been the worst/most useless whatever, player to see significant PT.
   68. rfloh Posted: July 11, 2008 at 02:15 PM (#2852761)
I have him currently projected at 11 runs (per 150) above average, which is about average for a first baseman. I would take him over probably 100 full time players in MLB, not including defense.


From BPro, Sexson is already 9.5 runs below the average 1b in 2008. He was 22.3 runs below the average 1b in 2007. Not including defense.
   69. JPWF13 Posted: July 11, 2008 at 02:42 PM (#2852784)
I have him currently projected at 11 runs (per 150) above average, which is about average for a first baseman.


He's been well below average (compared to an average hitter) for 200 games now
sure he was a bit above average (for a 1B) in 2006, and significantly above in 2005,
but he's 33 now.

It's possible that Sexson could bounce back and hit as well as an average 1B for a year or two- it just doesn't seem very likely.

When a guy is in his 20s and suddenly sees his OPS+ drop 30-40 points, well yes, you can expect a bounceback, when a guy is in his 30s- well you have to start thinking, well maybe this is it.
   70. MM1f Posted: July 11, 2008 at 03:36 PM (#2852877)
I don't see how people are saying it was stupid for the Ms to cut Sexson.

This wasn't about projections. I'm sure the Ms realize that corpse-of-Vidro/corpse-of-Wilson/Cairo isn't going to be anything worthwhile at firstbase.
It is about more than that.

The team is going nowhere, the player's career is shriveling up, hes getting booed, the park is probably screwing with his head...
It is about moving on and giving both Sexson and the Ms a chance to regroup and find some better days. It is the right move for both sides.
   71. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: July 11, 2008 at 03:57 PM (#2852899)
20. rfloh Posted: July 10, 2008 at 10:22 AM (#2851766)

Still no extra base hits for Bloomquist this year.

At least he gets on base and can run a bit. I'm not sure just what Vidro can do anymore.

21. Shooty misses Bill King Posted: July 10, 2008 at 10:26 AM (#2851772)
At least he getes on base and can run a bit. I'm not sure just what Vidro can do anymore.

Sure. His oba is good, actually. I just find it fascinating he hasn't even lucked into a bloop double or something.


In the ninth inning yesterday, Willie blasted a gapper that bounced into the stands for a ground rule double. Our long national nightmare is over.

He's leading the team in OBP.

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