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(I hope I beat Bomaye to that one at least.)
Maybe Nate is one of the Van Buren Boys?
What does his mouthing off have to do with his shirt? If his behavior was disruptive, you send him down to the principal - you don't #### with his clothes.
Times sure have changed.
But all parties involved should have their children taken away.
Precocious 9 year old.
If the 9 year old has children, this story just got a lot more interesting.
I didn't say it would have been the right action - but if - for instance - was going on about the Yankees in first place, emphasizing his shirt whenever the teacher's back was turned to get laughs, etc. I could see the teacher making him turn the shirt inside out - not because he was a Yankee hater but because it was a lesser punishment than sending him to detention.
I think you're extrapolating a bit too much from this incident.
Yeah. Sawx and Yank fans? Boo!
Wasn't talking about the shirt itself, if he was wearing a Sox shirt it is still equally stupid. I lived in the area from 27 years before I got the hell out. The city is dirty, the weather is crappy, the women are ugly, and the only thing to do there is drink crappy beer or go to the huge mall.
I lived there for a year. I can't argue with your description at all. It. Never. Stops. #######. Snowing.
I was speaking in general, not about this instance, necessarily.
It really doesn't. Those poor bastards get even more snow than we do.
I went to college in Troy, NY and this is a pretty apt description of it, except there is no huge mall there...
Where from? Upstate is not the place to be if you don't like outdoor activities or world class college basketball.
You can take the bus to Latham Circle. It's not a terrible exciting mall, but what mall is?
ehh, Latham Circle and Crossgates were both crappy malls.
In the very comfortable summers, the golf is plentiful, the weather is mild, and the prices are cheap.
There is a lot to like about central and upstate NY, but it isn't New Orleans.
Also, as malls go, I have to say that Crossgates is one of the more impressive ones I've been in. And I'm no defender of the Capital District.
Malls are crappy malls. Malls is malls.
It is within your power to increase the murder rate to New Orleanian proportions.
Loved and still love watching the basketball team.
In the very comfortable summers, the golf is plentiful, the weather is mild, and the prices are cheap.
There is a lot to like about central and upstate NY, but it isn't New Orleans
The golf is great, and you're right, cheap. But you can only golf regularly from May until September, outside of that it's a crapshoot on when you can go out. It may not be as dirty as New Orleans, but it's honestly not that far off. If it wasn't for the University area, I don't know where that city would be or look like.
If I'd stayed there and had a kid, I would have named it Lake Effect Snow Shooty.
I mean, oh, the humiliation of having to wear a T-shirt inside out!
To me this story belongs in a Readers' Digest "Life in These United States" feature, where we can all just laugh at where an insane rooterdom for a sports team can sometimes lead us. And then it deserves to be forgotten as a footnote to nothing.
Of course there is no more Readers' Digest, but you get the idea.
Let me say, there is a lot to like about central and upstate NY, but it isn't a hotbed of nightlife and culture.
I didn't know you went to RPI. I thought it was just me and Biff here.
And I had somehow forgotten that you went to RPI, though clearly it came up at some point since you remembered me. Troy is such a ####### ########.
...including that, and I don't even know what you said.
delicious steamed hams, though.
Not in Syracuse, no. It's more of an Albany expression.
And, God Bless the Ruck.
I suppose it's how you view the word. I would imagine that the right to wear a CC Sabathia t-shirt falls under that First Amendment in all technical and legal understandings. On the other hand, it feels rather...cheap to apply that language to a 9-year-old's wardrobe.
It does, until his jerk teacher starts pushing him around because of it.
Also, I imagine the kid wouldn't have described it as his right, but rather as his preference, until the teacher attempted to prevent him from expressing his harmless preference.
It was a public school, the teacher, a Red Sox fan, who displayed Red Sox items and pics in his classroom, asked him to turn the shirt inside out.
VB elementary is just a few yards from my parents house. There are some excellent farmstands nearby. One can get tremendous blueberries there.
Worcester is around 45 miles from downtown Boston. Troy is around 45 miles from downtown ... Pittsfield.
Advantage Troy! Seriously though, the Adirondacks are beautiful country, and troy is right at the foot.
If you sit inside your house and complain, everything is going to be shitty. Certain places have advantages over other places. You just have to look for them.
I spent 4 years in Troy, but I was in college. I was only there from September through April. When I set foot outside my house, I was 3 feet deep in snow and I never saw the sun. I had no choice but to stay inside my house.
Troy is near Saratoga. And they don't have that God-awful accent.
I stand corrected, and now I also understand how David and Ray still are managing to maintain their full form on that Dykstra thread.
I do agree that upstate NY is beautiful in the summers. It was awesome for about the first 2 weeks of school and the last 3. It was the other 7+ months that we were there that the weather sucked.
But I tried it. I did like snowmobiling, but not as much as golfing an extra 2 months a year.
That's called the downtown. Eh-oh.
Upstate is not the place to be if you don't like world class college basketball.
And you can score coke from the basketball players too.
Did you mean the Berkshires? Because Troy is "right at the foot" of the 'Dacks only in the sense that it's closer to them than, say, Cuzco is.
Northern New York has some of the most beautiful rural landscape and geography and some of the most depressing post-industrial cites situated in some of the most depressing weather I've ever experienced. Everything that has been said about Syracuse is true, and then if you cubed all that crap and compressed it, you'd get Utica.
To be clear, again - gorgeous countryside, awful cities. And I've lived all over the country, both coasts, midwest, everywhere. The weather is uniquely bad. Not as death-like or extreme as hurricanes or floods or tornadoes but a steady and relentless pounding of bad weather for eight straight months.
Compared to Utica, Troy is a pleasant seaside New England hamlet.
However, it is my home. You can only be from one place, and as places go, I'm glad it was there instead of somewhere else. I feel like I lived through something.
Amen to that, brother. As the old saying goes, Utica's not the end of the Earth, but you can see it from there.
I dunno. Have you seen the Empire State Plaza in Albany? If I didn't know it was in upstate New York, I'd think it was in East Germany.
well, no, but what is it to, say, Lake George? and hour?
Syracuse University and SUNY Binghamton are different places.
Yeah, one of them is a good school. The other inflicted Bob Costas upon us.
I like Troy better than the other of the Tri-Cities, at least after 5 p.m. There's a bevy of terrific independent restaurants.
It's a shame they've wasted the waterfront for so many years, but they're working on it.
Well, it's 75 miles, which, well, I guess could be done in 45 minutes, kinda. I'd suggest keeping an eye out for the black ice any time between October and April in the attempt.
Utica is in a vicious snow belt moving directly east from Lake Erie and Lake Ontario. The weather is indeed definitely worse there.
Yeah, but Lou ####### Reed man.
Syracuse wins.
Syracuse wins.
Not so fast. Syracuse also produced Joe Biden, Bob Costas, Len Berman, Sean McDonough, and Mike Tirico.
Call it a wash.
They keep 81 in good shape. black ice usually isn't a problem in the right lane.
And people are sleeping on something I mentioned above, there is tons of waterfront property for hundereds of thousands of dollars less than you can get it anywhere else in the country.
Cross Lake, for example, but there are thousands of rivers and lakes like Cross Lake in New York State
I don't know. There are some places in Utica that are pretty scary when the sun goes down. I grew up right outside of Rome and always felt (relatively) safe there.
One of the most bizarre true origins of upstate New Yorkers is that Pat Riley is from Rome, which is like Utica only more spread out.
Rome and Utica are funny cases. Both were hurt government actions.
In Rome, when they closed the base, it was over. There was no chance for it to survive. And as soon as the feds decided to shut down the mob, Utica died.
I'm moving back to Boston for good in 3 weeks, so I'm not a Troy fan, per se, either, but it's tolerable.
Sounds about right, but I wouldn't even consider Lake George, which is just across the line into Adirondack State Park, to be at the foothills of the Adirondacks, much less nasty urban Troy. If we're talking distance from the High Peaks, Troy is a good 2.5 hours from Lake Placid.
I go to Saratoga a ton.
Syracuse University and SUNY Binghamton are different places.
Yes, Syracuse University only admits honest, upstanding young men. Like Eric Devendorf and Derrick Coleman.
Utica... eh, it's not heaven, but it's not the worst place I've ever been. It's less than an hour from Cooperstown, so it's got that going for it.
One of my freshmen roommates was from Rome. I wonder if he knew that.
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