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Wednesday, January 09, 2019

Barry Bonds now has the No. 1 Black Miniature Schnauzer in America

There are a bunch of numbers associated with Barry Bonds. Like 25—his uniform number—or 762, the number of homers he hit in his career. It’s time a learn a new one: No. 1, the ranking that the American Kennel Club gave Bonds’ Black Miniature Schnauzer, Apollo. Oh yeah, and Bonds has the No. 3-ranked Black Miniature Schnauzer in Apollo’s sister, Bonnie.

Those are some really good looking dogs.  But the headline has one thing wrong, he doesn’t have it all yet because he’s still not inducted into the HOF.

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 08:15 AM | 116 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Man o' Schwar Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5803656)
We had a miniature schnauzer when I was a kid. She was the sweetest thing, and built like a tank. She developed epilepsy as a puppy, and the medications made her go blind. But it didn't stop her - if she ran into something or fell down the stairs (or off the deck), she would just bark at it and keep going.
   2. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5803663)
Give it a few years, it'll be a Giant Schnauzer.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:06 PM (#5803686)
WTF do you rank dogs?
   4. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:14 PM (#5803689)
WTF do we rank anything?
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5803700)
WTF do we rank anything?

Well, we rank movies because people want to know what to see. We rank baseball players because we want our teams to acquire the best ones. We rank restaurants so we know where and where not to eat. Lots of reason to rank different things.

But, it's not like people are going to Bonds' house to see his dog. They're not watching his dog on TV. And, I'm pretty sure that, in person, his dog is no more appealing than the average mutt from the pound.
   6. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:27 PM (#5803702)
Breeding. If you have a dog that captures completely the essence of black miniature schnauzers people are going to want that offspring. People are going to want to breed their own dogs to mimic the traits that got your dog to #1.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5803705)
Breeding. If you have a dog that captures completely the essence of black miniature schnauzers people are going to want that offspring. People are going to want to breed their own dogs to mimic the traits that got your dog to #1.

But that really makes no sense. If they're not working dogs, it's just an endless loop. No value is really ever created. Actually, value is probably destroyed b/c purebreds have worse health, and the breeding costs a lot of money.

These are pets. Is there any evidence the #1 schnauzer is a better pet than a mutt? Seems like it's all just a scam to rip off dumb people.
   8. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:33 PM (#5803707)
It's a scam to rip off rich people. Or in other words, it's just conspicuous consumption.
   9. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:37 PM (#5803712)
It's a scam to rip off rich people.


Much less appealing than organized religion, which is a scam to rip off people at every economic level.
   10. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:38 PM (#5803716)
We rank restaurants so we know where and where not to eat.


Yeah, but nobody goes the the #1 restaurant anymore. It's too crowded.
   11. Master of the Horse Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:38 PM (#5803718)
FWIW I don't know about non sporting dogs but there is legit value in the sporting breeds for dogs used for hunting, not showing. If you have a great hound or a great retriever hunters will pay a shitton of money for a pup wanting to have that advantage. Same with herding dogs like border collies. Or dogs proven to be really good in law enforcement. German shepherd pups can go for like $2500
   12. Misirlou doesn't live in the restaurant Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:46 PM (#5803723)
Seriously though, the utility factor makes up a small subset of things we rank. Why rank the #1 orchid, the #1 bourbon, the #1 best beach...? "Well, I was going to go to Ft. Lauderdale for spring break, but right here is says Vanuatu is #1, soI guess I'll go there."

It's a competition. A meaningless competition to 99% of us, but to those who care, it's important. Just like the #1 bridge player, or the #1 bass fisherman, or the #1 most reliable mid sized pickup truck according to the latest JD Power rankings.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5803726)
I hope he doesn't get a big head over this.
   14. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5803728)
I hope he doesn't get a big head over this.


I LOLed
   15. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 09, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5803733)
Did his dog place in the integrated schnauzer league, or do they not have that yet? I mean, it's 2019.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5803738)
FWIW I don't know about non sporting dogs but there is legit value in the sporting breeds for dogs used for hunting, not showing. If you have a great hound or a great retriever hunters will pay a shitton of money for a pup wanting to have that advantage. Same with herding dogs like border collies. Or dogs proven to be really good in law enforcement. German shepherd pups can go for like $2500

Yes. That's why I excluded working dogs.

I imagine a great sheepdog has a lot of value to a sheep rancher.
   17. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5803744)
A great dog has a lot of value to a pet owner.
   18. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:29 PM (#5803751)
There isn't one man in a hundred worthy of his dog.
   19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:31 PM (#5803754)
A great dog has a lot of value to a pet owner.

Yes, but as a pet, how is a "pure bred" anymore valuable than a mutt? Over-breeding only tends to magnify bad characteristics.

Among the other major pet species, cats, they are hardly bred at all.
   20. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 01:41 PM (#5803761)
A pure bred is a more customized dog. You don't see how today's pet owner would find value in that?
   21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:02 PM (#5803771)
A pure bred is a more customized dog. You don't see how today's pet owner would find value in that?

I can see it. I just find it a silly decision on how to spend your money.

Also, morally questionable. There are hundreds of thousands of perfectly good dogs euthanized every year, why pay $5000 to get a custom one created?
   22. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:04 PM (#5803772)
Yes, but as a pet, how is a "pure bred" anymore valuable than a mutt?


Here's a more pertinent question.
   23. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:04 PM (#5803773)
WTF do you rank dogs?

It's great fodder for humor.
   24. Khrushin it bro Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:19 PM (#5803780)
I spent Christmas this year at the beach with supposedly the whitest sand in the world. It was great until a helicopter with a picture of a shark on the side starting blaring a siren to get out of the water.
   25. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5803782)
Also, morally questionable. There are hundreds of thousands of perfectly good dogs euthanized every year, why pay $5000 to get a custom one created?

Completely agree.

EDIT: The only caveat would be if you're very allergic and need some sort of hypoallergenic breed.
   26. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:28 PM (#5803784)
I spent Christmas this year at the beach with supposedly the whitest sand in the world. It was great until a helicopter with a picture of a shark on the side starting blaring a siren to get out of the water.


Better you were notified of this by the helicopter than by the shark directly.

A few years ago I was in the water with a small (a bit under 6 feet) shark. I didn't know it at the time but then I saw a couple people waving and basically ran out of the water like a Scooby-Doo character racing across the water surface. I don't think I have moved that quickly in a long time.
   27. Eric L Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5803789)
I am not much interested in the world of purebred rankings either, but to be fair, some of our conversations look pretty wonky to an outside observer.
   28. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:38 PM (#5803790)
I used to go shark fishing on Coco Beach in Florida, which was at the time the 10th most shark-attacked beach in the world. My friends and I would fish from the knee-deep shore waters and occasionally we'd hook something big and vigorous and worry about being dragged out to more edible depths but it never happened. Most of the shark attacks on that beach were lemons and sand tigers being ###### with by drunks.
   29. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5803793)
some of our conversations look pretty wonky to an outside observer.

Yesterday in the office break area, a friend of mine was sitting at a table with his boss going into quite some detail about some medieval ruler type console game he's playing these days. When they stopped, I walked over and said just, "NERRRRRRRRRRRD." After the chuckles stopped, I asked, "By the way, have I ever told you about the card-and-dice baseball replay game I like to play?" to an even bigger laugh from them.
   30. McCoy Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5803797)
My family has homes along the water in Deerfield Beach and generally the most vicious attack you'll get is from a seagull but one year they had a ton of sightings of shark herds/packs/whatever right off shore. The news choppers would come buzzing by and then 5 hours later you'd see yourself on the news with 30 sharks 20 feet away and you had no idea they were there at the time.

Last year when I was in St Augustine I was wading in the inlet when I saw a couple of dorsal fins in the water in front of my by about 20 feet. I nervously and quickly backpedaled towards the shore. As I got closer in to the shore I allowed myself to tell myself, "don't worry, those are dolphins".
   31. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5803798)

WTF do you rank dogs?


They're good dogs, Bront.
   32. Hysterical & Useless Posted: January 09, 2019 at 02:58 PM (#5803802)
generally the most vicious attack you'll get is from a seagull


I had a squirrel run up my pant leg once (the outside, thank dog). Damn, they have sharp claws.
   33. Khrushin it bro Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:26 PM (#5803813)
They didn't name the beach in the proper nomenclature. I was a little to the left of the image on the beach. Not super close to shore but still big.
   34. Lassus Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:49 PM (#5803820)
DOG THREAD!

Anyhow, snapper, your confusion (if it is confusion, and not just a point) is kind of doofy. Why do people have expensive watches?

However, I certainly agree that it's morally questionable, given the circumstances.

And also for the reason stated above that purebred dogs often have terrible health issues due to the bell curve of shitty breeding. And general science.
   35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 03:54 PM (#5803823)
Anyhow, snapper, your confusion (if it is confusion, and not just a point) is kind of doofy. Why do people have expensive watches?

Well, expensive watches are legitimately better, and often contain precious metals and gems, which have value. It is also a status display. Same basic situation with luxury cars.

Again, excluding working dogs, the expensive dogs are likely inferior as dogs (as you say), and I don't really see that status value. When I see see you walking down the street, I have no idea if your dog is #1 in the world, or just some mutt.
   36. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:10 PM (#5803835)
Well, expensive watches are legitimately better,


You can download an app to sync your mobile phone's clock with a centralized atomic clock which is objectively much better than any fancy overpriced watch. I mean, assuming you want to use a watch to tell accurate time rather than as a symbol of conspicuous consumption.

and often contain precious metals and gems


"Expensive watches are better because I can pawn one."
   37. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:10 PM (#5803836)
I don't disagree that dropping thousands on a pup is silly if your goal is a companion animal, once you include the caveat about hypoallergenic dogs. But without those types of folks we wouldn't have ever gotten Best In Show, so it's probably a wash on a moral level.

Also, at least up here in New England we don't have enough rescues (and a huge shortage of rescue puppies) that we're actively importing dogs from southern shelters. The local animal shelter here in Springfield MA was way under capacity shortly after receiving a major renovation and upgrade, and now take in ~400 dogs/puppies from out of state to meet local demand for rescues. The lack of puppies is part of the reason some of my friends have ended up going to breeders and spending considerably more than the adoption fee.

Adoptions via Dixie Dog programs is how I've gotten both of my dogs. My current dog, Charlie Hustle, is more or less a designer breed. 6 or 7 out of his 8 grandparents were full breed labs or pits. I think he was the runt of his litter, based on his size at 8 weeks and the fact that he's about 10-20 lbs light of what you'd expect full grown. He and a sister were dropped at a shelter in North Carolina by a breeder.
   38. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 09, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5803844)
I own a sorta-expensive watch (Movado) and a corgi. You come up to me with a gun and you can have one of them, and it won't be the corgi.
   39. Zach Posted: January 09, 2019 at 07:04 PM (#5803903)
Barry Bonds has to have one of the biggest increases in likeability as an ex-player in recent memory.
   40. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 09, 2019 at 08:05 PM (#5803914)
We've reached the point where rescues have purchased purebred puppies at dog auctions, creating an incentive for the breeders to come up with more puppies.

Did his dog place in the integrated schnauzer league, or do they not have that yet? I mean, it's 2019.


White German Shepherds are canine Jackie Robinsons, barred from competition (and nearly exterminated) by the Nazis in the 1930s. Remarkably, the North American kennel clubs followed the Germans in the 1960s. The breed standard allows for nearly any color, including pale, washed-out ones, but the breed standard concludes, "A white dog must be disqualified."
   41. Sebastian Posted: January 09, 2019 at 11:22 PM (#5803951)
Barry Bonds has to have one of the biggest increases in likeability as an ex-player in recent memory.

I’ve been thinking that. He doesn’t seem to come up much, but when he does with his dogs, or with his cycling hobby a few years back, he seems to be having a great time doing reasonably relatable things. And he’s got quite a winning smile. Who knew?
   42. manchestermets Posted: January 10, 2019 at 04:49 AM (#5803965)
Well, expensive watches are legitimately better


Really? You can buy a cheap watch that will keep time well within the tolerance required for everyday use - you'll effectively see no difference from an expensive watch.

It is also a status display.


The same is true, in some people's eyes, of expensive dogs. I don't condone this, but it's the case, and you did ask why - I agree with you that a mutt is just as good a family pet though.
   43. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 10, 2019 at 05:46 AM (#5803966)
I mean different people want different breeds for different reasons. Seems pretty unobjectionable to me. If you really want to own a Miniature Schnauzer, knock yourself out. Personally I find them ugly as sin, but to each their own.

I have a Whippet (she is a rescue, we picked up in the middle of the street dodging cars, so snapper can relax), and it is great fun to watch her play around with other dogs on the beach. Then turn on the jets, tear up the beach like a complete maniac at 40 miles an hour, and leave them in the dust. And at the same time, she is quite happy to huddle up under a blanket for 90% of the day, and snuggle up to my feet, or cuddle on the couch. Which is in many ways the perfect pet for me. But some people will want less energetic dogs, or don't have a beach next door for them to do zoomies on. So they want a dog that suit their life and their preferences better.

Sometimes you can get the perfect dog for you as a rescue. Sometimes you might need to go to a breeder. If you can do the former great. If not, let people have what they want. If I were to get another dog, I would want to get another Whippet, one way or another.
   44. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 10, 2019 at 05:54 AM (#5803967)
Oh, and of course one of the main reasons people go to breeders, which I don't think has been mentioned yet explicitly, is because they don't just want a dog, they want a puppy. For many, the puppy phase is the best phase of owning a dog, so they don't want to miss out on it. There is also the factor, that this lets them have the longest possible time with them. Being able to have your best friend for maybe 13 years instead of say 6 or 7 makes a huge difference. And there is also a cost factor, in that vets tend to be expensive, and older dogs tend to require much more frequent and expensive treatment. It's like an MLB contract... the cheap early years subsidise the late expensive decline years.

And rescue puppies, as opposed to rescue dogs, are very very rare.
   45. Lassus Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:18 AM (#5803971)
#35 has to be put in the dictionary as an example under SUBJECTIVITY.


The local animal shelter here in Springfield MA

Dakin? We've pulled from there. I work with PRoNE. (Pugs)


It's a very fair point on the puppies, but a lot of shelters do end up with pregnant, abandoned dogs. It takes more work, but they are out there. BIG FLUFFY DOG RESCUE out of TN is constantly letting go of puppies from hoarding cases, and I'm sure they aren't the only ones.


So they want a dog that suit their life and their preferences better.

Also a good reason. And sadly it's why many many dogs end up sheltered, because people were too stupid to research a dog before they bought it.
   46. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:33 AM (#5803972)
I think there's numbers of rescue puppies, but if they're arguably purebreds they get released to a breed-specific, and get snapped up quick as soon as they're big enough to adopt.
   47. McCoy Posted: January 10, 2019 at 08:39 AM (#5803979)
Re 33. got you beat
   48. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:54 AM (#5804001)
Are there any conspicuous consumption products that actually work better than all of their less expensive alternatives?

In terms of what they're supposed to do, i.e. convey status to the casual observer, I'd say walking down the street with a beautiful looking purebred dog** conveys more status than a watch whose look is unrecognizable unless you get up close, even then means nothing to most people, and is often hidden by a shirt sleeve. In fact I'd say that the person you're most likely to be impressing by wearing a fancy watch is yourself.

** Or in many circles, a drop dead gorgeous woman.

   49. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:04 AM (#5804006)
But that really makes no sense.... No value is really ever created.


I dunno, man - why do people pay to watch baseball games?
   50. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:10 AM (#5804011)

In terms of what they're supposed to do, i.e. convey status to the casual observer, I'd say walking down the street with a beautiful looking purebred dog** conveys more status than a watch whose look is unrecognizable unless you get up close, even then means nothing to most people, and is often hidden by a shirt sleeve. In fact I'd say that the person you're most likely to be impressing by wearing a fancy watch is yourself

** Or in many circles, a drop dead gorgeous woman..


I'd think that walking down the street with a beautiful looking dog would also increase your chances of striking up a conversation with a drop dead gorgeous woman, too, compared to trying to organise it so that you flash a glimpse of your incredibly over-engineered lump of precious metals that replicates a function found on almost every electronic item currently on sale today. And I like watches.
   51. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:20 AM (#5804021)

In terms of what they're supposed to do, i.e. convey status to the casual observer, I'd say walking down the street with a beautiful looking purebred dog** conveys more status than a watch whose look is unrecognizable unless you get up close, even then means nothing to most people, and is often hidden by a shirt sleeve.

Perhaps, but you can wear your watch almost anywhere. Most of us can't take our pets to business meetings, for example, and it probably wouldn't have the same effect if we did. (That being said, I doubt you'd consider my watch to be "conspicuous consumption"--although some here might.)

Being able to have your best friend for maybe 13 years instead of say 6 or 7 makes a huge difference.

We've adopted older cats (3, 4, and 8 years old) because we know those have a harder time getting adopted. It was tough when the 4-year-old died from cancer at age 10, but we adopted another cat (the 8-year-old a few months later. I get what you're saying -- loss is difficult -- but at least in NYC there's always more pets in need of adoption.
   52. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5804028)
I'd think that walking down the street with a beautiful looking dog would also increase your chances of striking up a conversation with a drop dead gorgeous woman, too


Lord knows taking a handsome corgi out in public will attract the attention of women better than a shoe sale at Macy's. Nobody is ever sad to see a corgi.
   53. manchestermets Posted: January 10, 2019 at 10:34 AM (#5804038)
Perhaps, but you can wear your watch almost anywhere. Most of us can't take our pets to business meetings, for example, and it probably wouldn't have the same effect if we did.


The idea that the outcome of a business meeting might be influenced by the watch someone is wearing in it is fairly depressing .
   54. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:06 AM (#5804069)
The idea that the outcome of a business meeting might be influenced by the watch someone is wearing in it is fairly depressing .

It wouldn't be.
   55. Lassus Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:22 AM (#5804076)
We've adopted older cats (3, 4, and 8 years old) because we know those have a harder time getting adopted.

Absolutely. Also, we've had a better time with babies if the cats or dogs are weird-ass or defective. You laugh, but one-eyed kittens or tripod puppies, or bizarro mixes are generally easier to adopt.
   56. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5804090)
The idea that the outcome of a business meeting might be influenced by the watch someone is wearing in it is fairly depressing .

It wouldn't be.


I was reading a snippet of Gary Shteyngart's newish book, Lake Success, which is about a hedge fund guy going through a nervous breakdown. There was a long exchange about the watches he and another hedge fund guy were wearing and how many they owned. Yeah it's fiction, but I could see how business decisions are influenced by superficialities like a guy's watch or suit.
   57. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 10, 2019 at 12:05 PM (#5804102)
Are there any conspicuous consumption products that actually work better than all of their less expensive alternatives?
Depends on how you define it. For example, if you define "working" for a car as "getting you from Point A to Point B," then pretty much no. But certainly some "conspicuous consumption" cars perform better in certain ways than the less expensive alternatives - they go faster, they have a smoother ride, more features, whatever.
   58. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 10, 2019 at 12:07 PM (#5804103)
I'd think that walking down the street with a beautiful looking dog would also increase your chances of striking up a conversation with a drop dead gorgeous woman,
I've learned that these are pretty much the only circumstances under which women will talk to you while you're holding a bag of feces.
   59. McCoy Posted: January 10, 2019 at 12:09 PM (#5804105)
There’s nothing worse than a badly put together person trying to lead a meeting or convince you of something. An ill fitting suit, the wrong shoes, badly matched shirt, so on and so on stick out like red flags. This person doesn’t know what they’re doing. Do not listen to them.
   60. Lassus Posted: January 10, 2019 at 12:23 PM (#5804115)
This person doesn’t know what they’re doing. Do not listen to them.

Not everyone who knows what they are doing is well-dressed, or dressed to your liking.
   61. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 12:31 PM (#5804124)
Yes, I agree with #60. I have dealt with highly successful clients who have shown up to meetings in everything ranging from expensive tailored suits to jeans and polo shirts to (in once case) gym shorts.

That being said, if you're in a sales / front office type job, especially one where the client is choosing you to represent them in pitches or negotiations with investors, you want to show that you can look good and present well. I don't think any client chose me as their advisor (or didn't) based on my wardrobe, but overall appearances do matter on the margin so I try to look well put together, especially since I'm an average-looking guy on my best day. It's not about conspicuous consumption, but I wear clothes that don't look out-of-place in the situation. For example, my watch cost about what a decent suit does (not what a car does like some people's), and I've been wearing it for a decade now. And I like the way it looks. It seems like it was a good purchase.
   62. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 12:46 PM (#5804141)
Are there any conspicuous consumption products that actually work better than all of their less expensive alternatives?

Yes. An $80,000 Mercedes is objectively a better car than a Kia. Faster, better handling, more comfortable, etc.

I'd think that walking down the street with a beautiful looking dog would also increase your chances of striking up a conversation with a drop dead gorgeous woman,

I think a cute mutt serves that function as well. Unless you're hanging out at AKC events.
   63. JJ1986 Posted: January 10, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5804149)
If you carry a pocket-watch, you can conspicuously take it out and have everyone see it whenever you feel like it.
   64. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 01:05 PM (#5804150)
Barry Bonds has to have one of the biggest increases in likeability as an ex-player in recent memory.


Odd that his domestic abuse past just gets forgotten.
   65. BrianBrianson Posted: January 10, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5804153)
My pocket watch doesn't really keep great time. I pretty much only wear it to weddings.
   66. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 01:19 PM (#5804159)
Dakin? We've pulled from there.


Yeah. They do good work in the area, and their $50 spay/neuter for low income dog owners is a really smart idea.

So they want a dog that suit their life and their preferences better.


That's especially true for people who live in apartments or don't have the ability to take long walks with their dog on a daily basis. Having a lower energy dog is important if you're in an apartment building, for example.

And rescue puppies, as opposed to rescue dogs, are very very rare.


I just checked a small rescue in northern CT the other day, and they had two puppies in. They closed applications for adoption after only a couple days... with one puppy getting 28 applications. And I've found it's definitely the case that having your dog as a puppy is a great experience and one I wouldn't want to miss.
   67. Khrushin it bro Posted: January 10, 2019 at 01:51 PM (#5804188)
#47 Yikes.
   68. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 10, 2019 at 02:18 PM (#5804215)
their $50 spay/neuter for low income dog owners is a really smart idea.
What?? Sterilizing low income dog owners is a ghastly idea.
   69. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 02:29 PM (#5804221)
What?? Sterilizing low income dog owners is a ghastly idea.

Primey.
   70. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 03:21 PM (#5804251)
You should have your kids dogs taken away, #68.
   71. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 10, 2019 at 03:25 PM (#5804255)
My wife wants a dog, but I'm resisting. Too much work, fur all over the furniture, they try to lick you after they lick their own butt, etc. Plus the size dog you could have in good conscience in our small condo is not the type of dog that's worth having.
   72. Lassus Posted: January 10, 2019 at 03:29 PM (#5804258)
A pug! They are too poorly-constructed to lick their own butts; and you would be in perfect conscience, and they love to sleep and cuddle and do nothing. Honestly, there are plenty of small, inactive (or large, inactive) dogs that you could have in good conscience.

   73. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5804279)
Stay away from those greyhound adoption groups unless you're a seasoned dog owner. They're...well let's just say they aren't bred for smarts.
   74. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 04:06 PM (#5804290)
Many laboratories that do early-stage drug testing adopt out their beagles after X number of exposures and these are generally excellent animals. Marshall Farms, which is the largest provider of research beagles in North America (possibly the world, they recently opened a facility in China) does an outstanding job acclimatizing their animals to people and they keep excellent breeding records. Now these are beagles and beagles are hounds so you adopt everything that comes with having a hound (barking and digging) but they're very people-centered and fun to be around.
   75. McCoy Posted: January 10, 2019 at 05:12 PM (#5804309)
Re 60. You missed the point. I said badly put together. That doesn’t mean they can’t wear jeans.
   76. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 10, 2019 at 05:22 PM (#5804311)
The idea that the outcome of a business meeting might be influenced by the watch someone is wearing in it is fairly depressing .

About as depressing as the thought that anyone other than a mob boss would ever be impressed by a watch.
   77. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: January 10, 2019 at 05:25 PM (#5804312)
Are there any conspicuous consumption products that actually work better than all of their less expensive alternatives?

Yes. An $80,000 Mercedes is objectively a better car than a Kia. Faster, better handling, more comfortable, etc.


The question should have been phrased like this: Is the most expensive care better than the one that costs maybe 80% as much? What does Consumer Reports have to say?
   78. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 10, 2019 at 05:52 PM (#5804318)
Stay away from those greyhound adoption groups unless you're a seasoned dog owner. They're...well let's just say they aren't bred for smarts.

Yeah can confirm. My whippet (basically half-sized greyhounds, but bred for similar traits) is a complete airhead. Sweet and cute and adorable, but dumber than 10 dogs... wait that doesn't work here.
   79. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 10, 2019 at 05:59 PM (#5804321)
My wife wants a dog, but I'm resisting. Too much work, fur all over the furniture, they try to lick you after they lick their own butt, etc. Plus the size dog you could have in good conscience in our small condo is not the type of dog that's worth having.

There are a lot of medium-to-larger sized dogs who will quite happily spend all day curled up, provided you can take them out someplace for them to burn off their energy. Like whippets for example! They love spending all their time under a blanket. Also they have no hair to speak of. And I think their backs might be too long for them to be able to lick their butthole... at least I can't remember ever catching mine doing it.
   80. PreservedFish Posted: January 10, 2019 at 06:03 PM (#5804326)
Saw Shteyngart referenced above - he wrote an article for the New Yorker about his own obsession with luxury watches, which briefly touches on the question of whether the conspicuous consumption items are actually better or not:

... your child’s Winnie the Pooh watch will likely keep better time than a seventy-six-thousand-dollar Vacheron Constantin perpetual calendar in rose gold.
   81. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 10, 2019 at 06:05 PM (#5804327)
It's funny, a whippet is one of the two breeds my wife has in mind (shiba inu being the other). I dunno, though, a friend of mine had a half-whippet and even when the dog was 10+ years old, it *constantly* wanted to play or exercise. Although in fairness, it was mostly fetching a tennis ball, and I think the other half was a retriever.
   82. Zach Posted: January 10, 2019 at 06:42 PM (#5804343)
... your child’s Winnie the Pooh watch will likely keep better time than a seventy-six-thousand-dollar Vacheron Constantin perpetual calendar in rose gold.

When I was in grad school, there were some people at NIST who were working on reducing an atomic clock to a form factor not much bigger than a watch. Which strikes me as the ultimate one-upmanship:

"Oh, your watch has a tourbillon? That's nice. You must be so proud."
   83. Zach Posted: January 10, 2019 at 06:48 PM (#5804344)
Old school clockwork is pretty neat though. Like this orrery from the salon of mathematical physics in Dresden. It's a pretty impressive piece of art even standing still.
   84. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 10, 2019 at 06:57 PM (#5804347)
The question should have been phrased like this: Is the most expensive car better than the one that costs maybe 80% as much? What does Consumer Reports have to say?

I don't think 80% is the right question when you're talking about conspicuous consumption. The only cars I've ever bought were a used Toyota and a used Honda, and those were perfectly fine for my purposes, but I don't doubt that you can pretty much always spend 20-50% more and get something slightly better. I mean, I view a BMW or Mercedes as an unnecessary luxury, but I don't think that's conspicuous consumption. I'm thinking more about Ferraris, McLarens, which cost many multiples of that.

No idea whether those cars get better performance than the more affordable alternatives, although I was always amused when people drove those cars around in London -- there's basically nowhere in the city that you can actually take advantage of that vehicle's performance given the street layout and traffic.
   85. base ball chick Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:01 PM (#5804348)
a Dog thread!!!

along with barry lamar bonds, one of the 5 best looking men i have ever seen who is still drop dead handsome old as he is. and my favorite Dog of all time was named after him, rest his soul i still miss him

several comments about shelter Dogs:

here in houston, hundreds of Dogz are put to sleep every freaking week. at the city and county shelters. any Dog that looks to be pure bred are immediately snapped up by the rescues, who are not about to let anyone who is not wealthy get hold of one of the Dogz

a very large number of Dogs in shelters are sick and have heartworm of mange or some other disease and that treatment is expensive.

the death rate of puppies in shelters here is high thanks to dog measles and dog parvo virus which is pretty lethal.

however, anyone who wants a Dog or 2 can come here and there are tons within a 100 mil radius in all the shelters - and there are a LOT

different breeds have vastly different personalities. for example, there is a big difference between a poodle and a poodle cross in how they behave and how easy they are to train etc

if you want a puppy and you don't know someone whose Dog is having puppies, well, you need to go to a breeder. the good thing about reputable breeders is that they test their Dogz for diseases and they are socialized and potty trained and wormed and have their vaccines when you get them. the bad thing is that they cost a LOT

january/february is also a great time to get a puppy because there are so many given for christmas which end up unwanted and often tossed on the street

the good thing about adopting adult Dogz is that they are finished with the puppy stage of being insane and chewing everything. and they are usually potty trained. trouble is they are MUCH harder to train than pups. and breaking their bad and troublesome habits sometimes takes a Dog behaviorist, which is NOT cheap

the good thing about puppies is that you can train them very easily, unless you have a hopelessly stupid Dog. Bad thing is that they have a problem being left alone if they are very small and you all go to work during the day and doggy dare care is not cheap.

   86. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:05 PM (#5804350)
It's funny, a whippet is one of the two breeds my wife has in mind (shiba inu being the other). I dunno, though, a friend of mine had a half-whippet and even when the dog was 10+ years old, it *constantly* wanted to play or exercise. Although in fairness, it was mostly fetching a tennis ball, and I think the other half was a retriever.

Retrievers have much much more energy than whippets. Whippets are hella fast, but they will run themselves out of gas in 10-15 minutes. Assuming you have someplace you can let them off the leash somewhere, where they can run around safely.

FWIW Shiba Inus are ########. They are basically cats that look like dogs.

All of that is of course overgeneralising by breed to a certain extent. Individual dogs can and will differ to some extent.
   87. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:22 PM (#5804354)
FWIW Shiba Inus are ########. They are basically cats that look like dogs.
Her sister has a shiba inu, and he's been a good dog. I respect their catlike tendencies - they have some self-esteem and dignity, as opposed to the rest of the species' constant and shameless begging for ever more human attention and, more importantly, human food.
   88. bookbook Posted: January 10, 2019 at 07:30 PM (#5804358)
The crazy judgmentalism. There is exactly zero rational reason to root for a sports team. Why waste time money and energy caring about players who happen to play for one team, then start hating them once they switch to another?

There are some sites where I understand people being critical of the silliness of ranking Dog’s, or cog owners competing. A sports site is not one of them.

Edit: coke to #49
   89. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: January 10, 2019 at 09:55 PM (#5804396)
In all my life I've only ever owned labradors, specifically black labs because they are smarter. I've seen too many people buy "retriever mixes" that wouldn't chase a ball wrapped in bacon, so I get what I know works. But the same is true for pretty much all breeds to a degree. You know what a pure bred is about, you know their energy requirements and affection levels and the type of games they like to play. Your committing to sharing your home and life with this animal for 10-15 years, I think you have the right to stack the deck in favor of getting along.
   90. PreservedFish Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:18 PM (#5804407)
The crazy judgmentalism.


Found a Bichon-Frise fancier among us.
   91. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 10, 2019 at 11:53 PM (#5804416)
or cog owners competing.


This is Cogswell's year.
   92. Lassus Posted: January 11, 2019 at 07:27 AM (#5804441)
We recently picked up a 6-year-old crazy Pug/Border Terrier mix which is definitely a change for us, as it requires far more walks than 12-year-old pugs. It also will fetch in the house, but not outside, which I find a little wacky.
   93. McCoy Posted: January 11, 2019 at 07:55 AM (#5804445)
Someone did invent an atomic clock wrist watch. It looks hideous and is the size of a laptop
   94. manchestermets Posted: January 11, 2019 at 08:43 AM (#5804455)
Her sister has a shiba inu, and he's been a good dog. I respect their catlike tendencies - they have some self-esteem and dignity, as opposed to the rest of the species' constant and shameless begging for ever more human attention and, more importantly, human food.


I have two cats, and when it comes to food they're incredibly dog-like. Where most cats will take a bit of food when they're hungry and come back for more later, mine will wolf it down the instant I put the bowls on the floor - they always hang around with pitiful looks on their faces when I'm eating too. They're rescue cats, so I can only assume they were badly underfed before the shelter got them, and they've just got into the habit of eating whenever they can.
   95. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 09:04 AM (#5804462)
#94 yeah one of our rescue cats had been a stray for 3 years and he was like that when we first adopted him. So then the other cat (who was a rescue but was well fed in his prior home) became the same way, because if he didn't clear his plate the other cat would eat his food as well.

The former stray has become pretty dog-like in other ways as well, although this behavior took several years of living with us to develop. Greets us at the door when we get home from work, snuggles with us on the couch, likes to go for walks in the hallways of our building. But he's also very cat-like in all of the ####### ways that shiba in post #86 is.
   96. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: January 11, 2019 at 09:21 AM (#5804480)
My wife and I rescued a bluenose pit last year and she's turned out to be the perfect dog. She looks intimidating when strangers come to the door (which I think makes my wife feel safe when she's alone in the house) but is actually super friendly with everyone so I don't have to worry about her around strangers or children. She gets along with the cats. She has enough energy to be fun, but not so much that you have to dedicate your life to wearing her out and she's mostly obedient and learns quickly. She's a great dog. And, of course, there are always a ton of pitbulls available for adoption because they are the current breed of choice for idiots. (On a side note, when I was taking my cat to the vet on the Upper East Side of Manhattan a few years ago, some young guys came in with a pit who needed emergency care that they couldn't afford--this was the ASPCA so that's not uncommon. One of the doofuses was wearing a Michael Vick jersey. Like I said, idiots.)

I only have 2 primates blocked and both advocated cruelty to dogs. Just thought I'd throw that out there, too. I'm ok with people not actively liking dogs, but I don't tolerate people who will hurt them. I also think the dog show thing is weird and, when it leads to breeds with real congenital health problems, kind of tragic. Mostly, though, it seems fine. God knows I'm interested in things people think are weird.
   97. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 09:44 AM (#5804495)
I only have 2 primates blocked and both advocated cruelty to dogs. Just thought I'd throw that out there, too. I'm ok with people not actively liking dogs, but I don't tolerate people who will hurt them.

Yeah, I feel the same way. To me, intentionally hurting an animal (frivolously, I don't mean hunting, or eating meat) disqualifies you as a human. There's not any possible excuse. There are people who deserve to be hurt, there are no animals who deserve to be tortured.

If I caught someone torturing one of my cats, he would be lucky to escape with his life, and probably wouldn't.
   98. Baldrick Posted: January 11, 2019 at 10:12 AM (#5804529)
Yeah, I feel the same way. To me, intentionally hurting an animal (frivolously, I don't mean hunting, or eating meat) disqualifies you as a human. There's not any possible excuse. There are people who deserve to be hurt, there are no animals who deserve to be tortured.

What is the reason for excluding eating meat here? If someone else hurts the animals for me, that's an excuse?
   99. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 10:16 AM (#5804534)
What is the reason for excluding eating meat here? If someone else hurts the animals for me, that's an excuse?

Killing is different than hurting. I'm talking about intentional infliction of pain. It's sometimes permissible to kill a human, it's never permissible to torture them.
   100. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: January 11, 2019 at 12:01 PM (#5804635)
Flip.
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