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Saturday, February 22, 2014

Barry Bonds will be spring training Giants instructor

I fully expected Barry Lockridge to come back to Giant land before Barry Bonds!

Barry Bonds is scheduled to return to the Giants from March 9-17, serving as a special instructor for the organization’s young hitters. Bonds has long wanted to take on a more active role with the organization, but the two sides have not been connected in an official capacity since 2007, Bonds’ last season in Major League Baseball.

The years since have been filled with performance-enhancing drug allegations, a perjury trial and a conviction for obstruction of justice, but the Giants are not worried about Bonds being a distraction.

“He’s part of what we’ll do here,” manager Bruce Bochy said. “He’s going to be part of the group of instructors, like (Will) Clark, (J.T.) Snow or (Jeff) Kent. He’s going to be like the other guys and help where he can.

“I don’t have any concerns.”

During an appearance at AT&T Park in 2012, Bonds told reporters that he had approached Giants CEO and President Larry Baer about working for the club in some form. The conversations have continued informally since then, and the Giants felt that the timing was finally right to bring back one the best players in baseball history, albeit one with a complicated history.

“Collectively within the organization, we felt that given Barry’s desire to continue to contribute to the Giants, we should be open-minded about giving him the same invite that we have given to other players in the past,” Baer said.

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   1. sinicalypse Posted: February 22, 2014 at 08:33 PM (#4660861)
you know, if barry came out as the crazy crab for one random night of the season it very well might go down as the greatest thing ever. of all time. ever.
   2. John Northey Posted: February 22, 2014 at 08:45 PM (#4660865)
I say sign him in September and use him as a DH/PH - I bet he'd still outhit 90% of MLB.
   3. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:01 PM (#4660869)
Now that's he's off the juice he's, what, 150lb?
   4. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:07 PM (#4660871)
Now that's he's off the juice he's, what, 150lb?

Just look at Bonds' head!
   5. Scott Ross Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:40 PM (#4660876)
Can't wait for Howard Bryant to weigh in on this development.
   6. Long Time Listener, First Time Caller Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:41 PM (#4660877)
#3:

Well, he also bikes like 50 miles a day and probably doesn't lift weights for 5 hours a day anymore. But who knows, it might be all about the juice
   7. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:53 PM (#4660879)
He probably just switched his juicing routine to be more consistent with what the cycling folks prefer. If he didn't go into cycling I wonder what his next choice would have been? I'm guessing professional wrestling.
   8. Scott Ross Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:56 PM (#4660881)
Ugh. Sorry.
   9. Buzzkill Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4660883)
Good for the Giants.
   10. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: February 22, 2014 at 09:59 PM (#4660884)

He probably just switched his juicing routine to be more consistent with what the cycling folks prefer. If he didn't go into cycling I wonder what his next choice would have been? I'm guessing professional wrestling.


Barry Bonds could have had nuclear heat if he'd just transferred over his gimmick straight from MLB to WWE.

Speaking of heel promos, Pete Rose cut a heckuva heel promo at Wrestlemania 14. Keep watching for JR's fantastic call of the action.

   11. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 22, 2014 at 10:11 PM (#4660888)
The Wrestler was one of the great movies of the 2000's, but it would've been even better if they'd given Pete Rose a cameo role in that scene where Mickey Rourke and all the other wrestlers are sitting in some godforsaken small town high school gym, signing autographs for a total crowd of about a dozen fans. Rose would have fit right in.
   12. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 22, 2014 at 10:20 PM (#4660890)
Hey, I'm looking forward to seeing Pete at Cooperstown during the induction weekend!
   13. bjhanke Posted: February 23, 2014 at 07:33 AM (#4660945)
Well, you know, the Giants ARE in San Francisco. EVERYONE is on some drug or other in SF, aren't they? (ahem. that was cheap sarcasm) - Brock Hanke
   14. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 23, 2014 at 08:33 AM (#4660951)
I'm waiting for the last surviving seance artist in Haight-Ashbury to bring back Doc Ellis as the Giants' pitching coach. That'll be the final sign of closure for this entire PED ####.
   15. Lars6788 Posted: February 23, 2014 at 09:42 AM (#4660958)
How many self-righteous stories are we going to see about how this is detrimental to the game and that Bonds shouldn't be anywhere influencing any current MLB players?
   16. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 23, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4660959)
How many self-righteous stories are we going to see about how this is detrimental to the game and that Bonds shouldn't be anywhere influencing any current MLB players?

About as many as we saw when McGwire was named the Cardinals' hitting coach. You can tell us how many that was.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4660971)
Good. Bonds knows a hell of a lot about hitting, and the game will be better for him having the chance to pass that knowledge on.
   18. Publius Publicola Posted: February 23, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4660978)
Like, he probably knows the best sources for masking agents.
   19. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: February 23, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4661002)
Can't wait for Howard Bryant to weigh in on this development.

Bryant, and the numerous other dipshits here at BTF who said that he was secretly colluded against by baseball and that he's going to file that collusion grievance any day now.
   20. valuearbitrageur Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4661030)
Why would baseball want its greatest living player to be around the game ?
   21. McCoy Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4661036)
Bryant, and the numerous other dipshits here at BTF who said that he was secretly colluded against by baseball and that he's going to file that collusion grievance any day now.

wow, you brought this one back again? As mentioned before both MLB and the union have come to an agreement that Bonds can file a collusion claim once his legal issues with the government are resolved. They have not been resolved yet. When they do get resolved Bond may or may not file but the lack of filing does not prove your strawman arguments were correct.
   22. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 23, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4661054)
Why would baseball want its greatest living player to be around the game ?


The fact said player is a legendary ####### is a perfectly valid reason not to. It depends what you mean by "around the game," sure, but Barry Bonds was jaded about baseball from his youth and consistently regarded everyone around him (most obviously and, for his reputation, damagingly, reporters, but also teammates, team staff, pretty much everyone connected to the game) with bald contempt from the day he arrived in the major leagues.

These things would still be true if he had never touched a steroid, and if there were no such things as steroids.

As Vlad says, the man is a walking encyclopedia on hitting so if I were running a team I'd be happy to hire him and see if he can help the hitters. But it doesn't strike me as appalling or inappropriate that the institution of Baseball is in no hurry to make Barry Bonds its public ambassador.
   23. Publius Publicola Posted: February 23, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4661068)
Well said, Zeth.
   24. McCoy Posted: February 23, 2014 at 06:12 PM (#4661136)
The fact said player is a legendary ####### is a perfectly valid reason not to. It depends what you mean by "around the game," sure, but Barry Bonds was jaded about baseball from his youth and consistently regarded everyone around him (most obviously and, for his reputation, damagingly, reporters, but also teammates, team staff, pretty much everyone connected to the game) with bald contempt from the day he arrived in the major leagues.

May be well said but it is pretty much false and inaccurate. He had a fued with Jeff Kent and Andy Van Slyke at different points in his career but unlike many a showboater and arsehole he kept it within the family and didn't go running to the press to make it a big time event. He had a very public shoving match with Kent in the dugout once but again it didn't spread and get worse. He doesn't talk trash about baseball or his fellow baseball players and he is respected for that. He had problems with Leyland when he was young but a ton of young kids have trouble with maturity and Leyland certainly wasn't the type who could handle that type optimally. And that is about it for Bonds and baseball fueds and bad acting. About the only people in baseball who talk trash on Bonds are people who are rather notorious for being arrogant full of themselves arseholes who might very well be upset that the uppity black bastard has the gall to be his own man.
   25. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 23, 2014 at 09:03 PM (#4661185)
wow, you brought this one back again? As mentioned before both MLB and the union have come to an agreement that Bonds can file a collusion claim once his legal issues with the government are resolved. They have not been resolved yet. When they do get resolved Bond may or may not file but the lack of filing does not prove your strawman arguments were correct.

What, you actually believed that sociopathic Gonfa (loon) who eviscerated Joey's previous iteration of this incorrect claim?
   26. base ball chick Posted: February 23, 2014 at 09:18 PM (#4661195)
jeff kent, at least when he was with the astros, was a sour. hostile 8sshole who was not media friendly, was absuive to the young players and not any sort of fan friendly

so let's not go throwing jeff kent up there as a sweet nice boy who that meanie bonds pushed around

and the pitsburgh media was rude and abusive to bonds - it wasn't like he was facing these nice guys. leyland has said many times on the records that barry and him had their fights, but he loved barry who played hard for him. barry has said on the record that he loves leyland like a second father and that he as a great manager. barry was an egotistical supadupa stah, but all this stuff about how much his teamates hate him was invented by media
   27. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: February 23, 2014 at 09:31 PM (#4661198)
barry was an egotistical supadupa stah


If I were as good as him, I'd probably be pretty full of myself, too.
   28. base ball chick Posted: February 23, 2014 at 09:40 PM (#4661206)
monty

me too

HOTTTTT guys to the left of me
HOTTTTT guys to the right
you can all gon git some soon
dontchu start no fight
cuz ahm TNT!!!!!
yea, DYNOMITE!!!

men EVERYWHERS and they mine ALL mine. the play MANsion
yeh

thinks about this

uck

nevermind

   29. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 24, 2014 at 07:54 AM (#4661321)
About the only people in baseball who talk trash on Bonds are people who are rather notorious for being arrogant full of themselves arseholes who might very well be upset that the uppity black bastard has the gall to be his own man.


If you're mean to Baroids, you're either a jerk or a racist, possibly both.
   30. McCoy Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4661369)
Quite possibly.
   31. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4661377)
If you're mean to Baroids, you're either a jerk or a racist, possibly both.

Absolutely. Even the San Francisco Giants are a bunch of racist jerks; why else wouldn't they bring him back after the '07 season?

Oh yeah, how in the world could I possibly forget: every clear-thinking intelligent person knows that they were commanded to not offer him any more contracts in the sooper-dooper ultra top secret Barry Bonds banishment collusion order handed down by Bud Seligula, the evidence of which is finally going to come out once and for all by the year 2525. The fact that he's being allowed to work with the team as a spring training coach is just more proof of how clever that evil Seligula is as he now tries to cover up his guilty tracks.
   32. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 24, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4661388)
Barry Bonds seemed like a typical player, other than he was one of the greatest players of all time and he did not like the media for a whole variety of reasons (and they returned that dislike). Some players and coaches he got along with, and others he did not.

Pretending he was some sort of world class jerk or whatever is just not supported by what we know.
   33. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 24, 2014 at 11:39 AM (#4661392)
Barry BondsTy Cobb seemed like a typical player, other than he was one of the greatest players of all time and he did not like the media for a whole variety of reasons (and they returned that dislike). Some players and coaches he got along with, and others he did not.
   34. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: February 24, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4661398)
At minimum, Bonds seems less stabby than Cobb was.
   35. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 24, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4661400)
Barry Bonds seemed like a typical player, other than he was one of the greatest players of all time and he did not like the media for a whole variety of reasons (and they returned that dislike). Some players and coaches he got along with, and others he did not.

Pretending he was some sort of world class jerk or whatever is just not supported by what we know.


World class? Probably not. But there's enough to support he wasn't garden variety either, particularly in his younger days.
   36. zenbitz Posted: February 24, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4661497)
you know, if barry came out as the crazy crab for one random night of the season it very well might go down as the greatest thing ever. of all time. ever.


I assume you mean second greatest thing after Bonds 1x1 training with Hunter Pence.
   37. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 24, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4661511)
But there's enough to support he wasn't garden variety either, particularly in his younger days.


Most of the accusations I am familiar with seem mostly media creations, but I am hardly a "Bonds as jerk" expert or anything (and I think Clubhouse Chemistry is WAY overrated).
   38. Squash Posted: February 24, 2014 at 02:21 PM (#4661536)
Why are we suddenly all revising history and pretending we don't know that Barry Bonds was considered a jerk when he was playing? Is it latent additional support for his being in the Hall of Fame (which he obviously should be)? Everyone hated Barry back to his ASU days.
   39. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 24, 2014 at 02:48 PM (#4661548)
Barry Bonds was considered a jerk when he was playing


No one is denying the media thought he was a jerk. Both sides in that fight made it clear they did not like each other. Past that though is the real question.
   40. stanmvp48 Posted: February 24, 2014 at 03:30 PM (#4661586)
Barry Bonds Ty Cobb seemed like a typical player, other than he was one of the greatest players of all time and he did not like the media for a whole variety of reasons (and they returned that dislike). Some players and coaches he got along with, and others he did not.


Or substitute Ted Williams


Didn't Bonds offer to pay for the education of the children of that guy who was assaulted at Dodger stadium?
   41. Joe OBrien Posted: February 24, 2014 at 03:56 PM (#4661601)
As a long time fan of the Giants and Bonds, I would say he is sometimes a huge jerk and sometimes nice. The jerk stuff is real, and not a media creation. Jason Christiansen hates his guts, I think from interviews JT Snow doesn't like him. There are plenty of stories of him being a dick.

But most of his jerkiness comes from one place. When he was young, he realized some people had taken advantage of his father's talents, and to a lesser extent, the same thing happened to Willie Mays. Barry made the decision early on that no one would ever get over on him like that. So unless he trusts you, he's paranoid that you're trying to exploit him. That's a big part of his problem with the media. He views them as vultures who make a living off of people like him. You can also see this attitude with the people he gets along with. He's great and generous with kids in need because he doesn't fear their motives, and he loves talking to great players like Joe Morgan.

This leads to a weird dichotomy. Take the fight in the dugout with Kent. It actually started because Bonds was standing up for David Bell when Kent ####### at him (http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Giants-now-battling-each-other-Bonds-Kent-2826698.php). There was a story in an article here recently about him yelling at Marvin Benard for using one of Bonds' reserved lockers. Benard thought it would be a lucky locker. Afterwards, Bonds told Benard he could stay in the locker, he just wanted to let everyone else know it wasn't open season on his space.

In my book, if you do jerky things, you're a jerk. Bonds definitely meets that criteria. But he might also be a good person, if that makes sense.
   42. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 24, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4661620)

Didn't Bonds offer to pay for the education of the children of that guy who was assaulted at Dodger stadium?


Bonds pledged to pay the college tuition for Stow's children. Stow's family has said they are planning on taking Bonds up on that.

Which means the NCAA will undoubtedly ban them from participating in any collegiate level sports (including all intramural sports and all pick-up basketball games)
   43. Publius Publicola Posted: February 24, 2014 at 05:34 PM (#4661644)
And there was the time in spring training when Leyland got up in face and told him he was tired of his ####, after Bonds gave Bill Virdon a hard time about something trivial.
   44. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 24, 2014 at 06:19 PM (#4661677)
Leyland got up in face and told him he was tired of his ####, after Bonds gave Bill Virdon a hard time about something trivial.

If Bonds was giving Virdon #### for sticking with Enos Cabell for so long with the late 70's Astros, he'd have a point.
   45. Davo Dozier Posted: February 24, 2014 at 06:34 PM (#4661690)
There's a (possibly apocryphal?) story that Bonds' college teammates at Arizona State voted unanimously to kick him off the team (but were prevented from acting on it by their coach).
   46. toratoratora Posted: February 24, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4661698)
But most of his jerkiness comes from one place. When he was young, he realized some people had taken advantage of his father's talents, and to a lesser extent, the same thing happened to Willie Mays. Barry made the decision early on that no one would ever get over on him like that. So unless he trusts you, he's paranoid that you're trying to exploit him. That's a big part of his problem with the media. He views them as vultures who make a living off of people like him. You can also see this attitude with the people he gets along with. He's great and generous with kids in need because he doesn't fear their motives, and he loves talking to great players like Joe Morgan.

I see this as dead on.
Add in the fact that both Bobby Bonds and Mays are somewhat to very bitter about how baseball treated them and you can start to see that Barry's views on reporters and the business side of the game were well set early on.
He made the single biggest mistake a player,especially a black player can-he didn't play ball with they media and they crushed him for it.
Then toss in that pretty much every personality characteristic mentioned above is a standard symptom of an Adult Child of an Alcoholic and I actually have some sympathy for this guy.
It's almost like a Greek tragedy-you have this monumentally talented individual burdened with immense flaws,some his own making,some not so much so, that brought him down.I'm not saying that BB is a nice guy-stories of his dickishness go back to his college days. But I think that, to a large extent, he got dealt a crappy hand.

Meanwhile,back at the ranch,I'm delighted to see this move on the part of the Giants and Bonds.
A few years back I posted my post-career Barry Bonds redemption plan. Phase one was disappear for a while,let new goats emerge (Thank you ARod),fade a bit from memory.Phase two was exactly this,do some spot announcing here and there,just for an inning or so, then emerge as a Spring Training coach,ala Koufax. Not a FT member of the staff,just a guy who dispenses wisdom. Think Cobb with the Tigers.
It wouldn't hurt at all either if he started dispensing nice quotes(Which Cobb did till his death),especially at the younger writers.He's a witty guy,by all accounts quite capable of being warm and charming when he so desires.
Then, as the older writers who knew him fade,his numbers will loom larger and larger to a generation that only knows him through BBR and old videos. At that point,like Williams,he may just become a GOMOBB (Grand Old Man of BaseBall)and finally get the respect he's due.
   47. Zach Posted: February 24, 2014 at 06:50 PM (#4661699)
They showed him on local TV in San Francisco, and he looked a million-umpteen-bajillion times better than he did as a ballplayer. Slim, relaxed body language, big smile. It reminded me of seeing an old boss who had subsequently gotten divorced and (I think) remarried -- I realized it was the first time I'd seen him when he wasn't stressed out.

Retirement is being very, very good to Barry.
   48. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: February 24, 2014 at 07:02 PM (#4661706)
Bobby Bonds and Mays are somewhat to very bitter about how baseball treated them and you can start to see that Barry's views on reporters and the business side of the game were well set early on.

I can only imagine how a school-aged Barry felt reading in the papers that his dad, an immensely talented player in his own right, was a "malingerer" and a disappointment at every stop in his career. I'm sure Barry's personal view of sports "journalists" was forged at a very young age.
   49. toratoratora Posted: February 24, 2014 at 07:29 PM (#4661723)
I can only imagine how a school-aged Barry felt reading in the papers that his dad, an immensely talented player in his own right, was a "malingerer" and a disappointment at every stop in his career. I'm sure Barry's personal view of sports "journalists" was forged at a very young age.

Exactly.Let's not forget that Bobby Bonds had immense pressure put on him to be the next Mays and despite being a terrific player,never could live up the ridiculous expectations and was always seen as a disappointing underachiever.
There was also the minor issue of the K's.
Today Bobby would be seen as the great player he was.Lots of walks,good speed,good power,decent glove.Back then though, forget the rest of his game, he got mauled for the strikeouts.The common complaint was not enough BA,too many K's.

Of course Barry grew up distrustful of the press.He had it hammered into him his whole life.He'd have to be an idiot to think they played fair with players
   50. tfbg9 Posted: February 24, 2014 at 08:12 PM (#4661742)
A lot of the all time greats were massive jerkwads. A lot of us were less than perfectly charitable with people around us when we were much younger.

Its good that Bonds seems to be making an effort to come across as a kinder man, and that he's getting back into the game. He was juiced to the gills, but he's still a baseball genius.
   51. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:12 PM (#4661791)
Could the all-sweetie team beat the all-asshole team?
   52. zonk Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:39 PM (#4661802)
Could the all-sweetie team beat the all-####### team?


I don't think so... who does the all-sweetie team have? Musial... maybe Honus Wagner? I don't think Ruth or Mantle qualify for either team. Maybe if you can get a competitive (with the all-####### team) all-sweetie lineup... but I think an OF of Williams, Cobb, and Bonds beats alone probably comes out ahead... Add Hornsby at 2B... A-Rod at SS.

Without thinking too hard about it, my bet is that the all-####### team wipes the floor with the sweeties on the mound. Who pitches for the sweeties? Maybe you give 'em a hell of a pen starting with Rivera... I suppose you could also give 'em Maddux... but Pedro, Clemens, Spahn, etc... the great pitchers tend to be real redasses. Walter Johnson was supposed to be a pretty nice guy, I guess.
   53. zonk Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:49 PM (#4661811)
On second thought, just running through the leaderboards, employing a little CW, and glancing through some histories... maybe it's a bit closer than I thought.

I still think the ######## beat the sweeties, but on further review - maybe it's closer than I thought.

Musial, Wagner, Johnson, Rivera... you can probably give 'em Gehrig... Aaron?

The tough part is probably divining who qualifies for which squad - I don't think you can just take everyone and call them either/or - you've got to exclude from either team guys who were either more 'blah' personality-wise or alternately, had their personality pluses or minuses... For example, does Dimaggio really qualify for either team?
   54. Publius Publicola Posted: February 24, 2014 at 10:55 PM (#4661816)
I don't think so... who does the all-sweetie team have?


Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Lou Gehrig, Yogi Berra, Johnny Bench (close enough), Tris Speaker, Wagner, Musial, Jimmy Collins, Mike Schmidt, Hank Aaron, Mel Ott, George Brett... I don't know. I'd certainly be willing go to war with a team that had those players.
   55. zonk Posted: February 24, 2014 at 11:16 PM (#4661831)
I veto Bench, Brett, and maybe Schmidt.

I think you have to distinguish between 'beloved' and sweeties... Santo, for example, however much love he garnered post-playing career, had a real reputation as a redass. He rubbed opponents the wrong way with his heel clicking antics, and even on his own team, there was his berating of what's-his-name during the '69 collapse after a dropped flyball. The ######## can probably do better than even him at 3B, but he tries out for the ########, not the sweeties.
   56. OCF Posted: February 25, 2014 at 01:13 AM (#4661871)
Koufax had an unusually low number of HBP. Don't know if that counts as evidence for which team he should be on.

you've got to exclude from either team guys who were either more 'blah' personality-wise or

On the other hand what about Bob Gibson? Whatever you want to make of him, "blah" doesn't enter into the picture. Intense, focused, competitive, a team leader. I get the impression that a lot of people admired him; whether they liked him isn't the same question. Probably doesn't fit on either team.
   57. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 01:41 AM (#4661879)
If the literature I've read is any indication, Koufax was well known as the anti-Gibson (or anti-Drysdale); he just would not throw at hitters.

If I recall Walter Johnson was also famous for refusing to throw at hitters.

Harmon Killebrew could and should find a spot on the all-nice guy team. Possibly along with his lefthanded doppelganger, Jim Thome.
   58. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:05 AM (#4661886)
I'd include Banks and Mathewson on the Sweetie team.

Let's see, the ####### team...

C Munson
1B Anson
2B Hornsby
3B Dick Allen
SS ?
LF Williams
CF Cobb
RF Reggie

SP Clemens
SP Ryan
SP Carlton, maybe?
SP Kevin Brown
SP Schilling

I don't think Bonds or Rodriguez belong on the ####### team, but if you add them that's a hell of a lineup.
   59. Rob_Wood Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:39 AM (#4661890)
I knew of Bonds in college via someone who attended ASU. Plus I interacted with Barry a few times during his college years and there is no doubt that he was a big jerk.
   60. OCF Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:48 AM (#4661891)
SP Clemens
SP Ryan
SP Carlton, maybe?
SP Kevin Brown
SP Schilling


How about Lefty Grove?
   61. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 25, 2014 at 02:50 AM (#4661892)
Let's see, the ####### team...

C Munson
1B Anson
2B Hornsby
3B Dick Allen
SS ?
LF Williams
CF Cobb
RF Reggie

SP Clemens
SP Ryan
SP Carlton, maybe?
SP Kevin Brown
SP Schilling

I don't think Bonds or Rodriguez belong on the ####### team, but if you add them that's a hell of a lineup.


Not sure if Leo Durocher is a good enough player to be on the team at shortstop, but personality-wise he fits the bill..
   62. OCF Posted: February 25, 2014 at 03:01 AM (#4661893)
Not sure if Leo Durocher is a good enough player to be on the team at shortstop, but personality-wise he fits the bill..

But could he manage the team? Nah, there's a LOT of competition for that spot. Billy Martin, maybe. Another SS/manager/###### to consider is Larry Bowa.
   63. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:48 AM (#4661912)
Maybe we could cheat and put Hornsby at short (he played ~650 games there) to make room at second for Evers, Stanky, or Kent.
   64. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 25, 2014 at 09:19 AM (#4661931)
I don't think so... who does the all-sweetie team have?


Walter Johnson, Christy Mathewson, Lou Gehrig, Yogi Berra, Johnny Bench (close enough), Tris Speaker, Wagner, Musial, Jimmy Collins, Mike Schmidt, Hank Aaron, Mel Ott, George Brett... I don't know. I'd certainly be willing go to war with a team that had those players.

Berra wasn't such a sweet guy during his playing career, in spite of all those stories about his love of comic books and malapropisms. And Speaker belonged to the KKK.

It's probably not a coincidence that the first names that pop to mind for an "All Nice Guy HoF team" are from the time before 24/7 media intrusion and chipmunk journalism:

1B Lou Gehrig
2B Red Schoendienst
SS Ernie Banks
3B Brooks Robinson
LF Stan Musial
CF Richie Ashburn
RF Tony Gwynn
C Roy Campanella
DH Harmon Killebrew
MGR Al Lopez
OWNER Bill Veeck
   65. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 25, 2014 at 09:32 AM (#4661934)
All-Bunghole HoF Team:

1B Bill Terry
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Joe Cronin
3B Wade Boggs or Pie Traynor**
LF Carl Yastrzemski
CF Ty Cobb
RF Reggie Jackson
C Carlton Fisk / Thurmon Munson (dead heat tie)
DH Joe Medwick
MGR Tommy LaSorda
OWNER Marge Schott

**The only living (at the time) HoFer who refused to respond to an mailed autograph request from a 12 year old boy I knew. He finally got the autograph by sending Traynor a registered letter with a return receipt. The letter read, "Ha, ha, got your autograph!"
   66. just plain joe Posted: February 25, 2014 at 09:39 AM (#4661936)
Not sure if Leo Durocher is a good enough player to be on the team at shortstop, but personality-wise he fits the bill..


Durocher wasn't much of a hitter but he must have had good defensive chops, otherwise he would not have had the long career, with the vast majority of his games at shortstop. I say start Durocher at SS and then have Kent/Stanky/Evers on the bench.
   67. zonk Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:00 AM (#4661948)
I don't see why A-Rod isn't the SS for the ####### team...

He doesn't seem to particularly get along well with anyone, he's got a crap ton of insecurities, and he just comes off as well... weird.

He's like a cross between Buster Bluth and G.O.B. -- that's plenty off-putting quirk for an invite to camp.

I'd also say Gibson belongs with the bungholes - not because he's unpleasant in the same manner of A-Rod... but a streak of mean, maybe a little hot-headed. You don't need to be Juan Marichal to try out for the rotation.

On the other side, yeah -- we can definitely find room for Banks and Killebrew.
   68. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4661960)
He doesn't seem to particularly get along well with anyone, he's got a crap ton of insecurities, and he just comes off as well... weird.


Now if you want a weird team as a new third group then ARod is definitely on that team. I suspect they will get beat by both the other teams, but they would be pretty interesting. Basically I think he is much more weird than asshat, and so does not belong with the jerks.
   69. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:24 AM (#4661965)
All-Bunghole HoF Team:


3B Wade Boggs or Pie Traynor**


**The only living (at the time) HoFer who refused to respond to an mailed autograph request from a 12 year old boy I knew. He finally got the autograph by sending Traynor a registered letter with a return receipt. The letter read, "Ha, ha, got your autograph!"


Why is Boggs on the all-####### team?

I have heard that same registered letter autograph story about many, many players.
   70. zonk Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4661971)
It's probably not a coincidence that the first names that pop to mind for an "All Nice Guy HoF team" are from the time before 24/7 media intrusion and chipmunk journalism:


Though - Tony Gwynn (quite rightly) makes the team... or at least gets a camp invite.

One of my friends in college was a journalism major and did his internship for the Cincinnati Enquirer. Most of the quarter was spent doing grunt work and covering local prep sports - but as a 'reward' - he got a feature about Tony Gwynn (the Padres were in town for a weekend series) late in the spring. Gwynn was approaching 3000 hits - I think it would have been '98 or '99.

He still says to this day that Gwynn was the nicest athlete - pro or college - that he ever met... My buddy said he was nervous as hell, but Gwynn put him totally at ease - even carrying the conversation at the start while my friend got his feet under him. Gwynn then even sent him a nice note on the feature and congratulating him on the piece and thanking him for the kind write-up afterwards.

   71. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4661973)
Why is Boggs on the all-####### team?

Between Margo Adams and his plea of "sex addiction", Boggs just always struck me as majorly creepy. Maybe not quite on the Super Bunghole level, but then I was limiting my team to HoFers and I had to choose someone at 3B.

I have heard that same registered letter autograph story about many, many players.

I'm sure it's happened before, but this was the only case where I had first hand knowledge of it.
   72. zonk Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4661974)
Now if you want a weird team as a new third group then ARod is definitely on that team. I suspect they will get beat by both the other teams, but they would be pretty interesting. Basically I think he is much more weird than asshat, and so does not belong with the jerks.


Yeah, but ARod's weirdness seems to reach the level of making those around him uncomfortable... I mean, Dick Allen had supporters here and there, too. ARod isn't colorful weird, he's offputting weird... that's enough to make the jerks, fairly or not. You could add to that incidents like the mitt-slapping, roid animosity, etc...
   73. Bitter Mouse Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:33 AM (#4661978)
Maybe I just like the idea of an all weird team or have a slightly different definition for all jerk team. We need some experts to throw out names for the all weird team (I don't have the baseball knowledge).
   74. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4661990)
Now if you want a weird team as a new third group then ARod is definitely on that team.


A-Rod, Rickey, and Boggs are a good starting point. No shortage of closers.
   75. McCoy Posted: February 25, 2014 at 10:58 AM (#4661997)
By all accounts the voting off the team in ASU happened. By all accounts (except for an account by Bonds which I don't think exists since he doesn't spill to the media) all parties involved were jerks and yes, Joey B, there were racial issues involved as well.

BB was no saint but to try and give him the crown of worst of the worst simply because he was the best of the best players in the game is simply a stupid tactic of people who will stop at nothing to demonize him because of his drug use. Hate him for that. You don't need to make shvt up to hate him.
   76. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:11 AM (#4662007)
All-Weird team:

1B Dave Kingman
2B Johnny Evers
SS A-Rod
3B Boggs
OF Rickey
OF Joe Charboneau
OF Jimmy Piersall
C Yogi Berra
SP Dizzy Dean, Doc Ellis, Steve Carlton, Rube Waddell
RP Take your pick
DH Manny
DDS** Carl Everett
MGR Ozzie Guillen
OWNER Charlie Finley

**Designated Dinosaur Slayer
   77. OCF Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4662026)
RP Take your pick

I think I'll go with Al Hrabosky. but you're right, the choices are legion.
   78. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: February 25, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4662027)
All Weirdos:

C - Jamie Quirk
1B - Votto (weird moment: referencing wRC+ in spring training interview)
2B - Roberto Alomar (weird moment: living in SkyDome hotel)
SS - ARod (weird moment: kissing that mirror)
3B - Boggs (weird moment: becoming a HOFer despite diet of fried chicken and Miller Lite)
LF - Rickey (weird moment: framing his $1M bonus check)
CF - ??
RF - Manny Ramirez (weird moment: peeing in the Green Monster)
DH - Giambi (weird moment: slump-busting thong)

SP - Satchel Paige?
RP - Rollie Fingers
   79. Zach Posted: February 25, 2014 at 03:31 PM (#4662271)
Steve Carlton has to go on the all-weird team. Roberto Clemente was supposed to be wildly superstitious, although it's hard to measure up to Manny Being Manny.
   80. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: February 25, 2014 at 03:39 PM (#4662278)
RP - Moe Drabowsky, who once used a bullpen phone to order Chinese takeout. From Hong Kong.
   81. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 25, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4662290)
Andy supplied your centerfielder for you in 76 Votto. Piersall's probably the captain of the squad.
   82. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 04:42 PM (#4662337)
DDS** Carl Everett

**Designated Dinosaur Slayer


He was Born To Hunt Dinosaurs. He's got the tattoo and everything.

I don't know that Satch qualifies as a weirdo. Rube Waddell might be your man there.
   83. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: February 25, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4662341)
This is an interesting article on post-retirement Bonds. Not sure if it was ever posted here.

Highlights:

* His girlfriend is former Olympic medalist Mari Holden. She testified to Congress in 2005 as an ambassador for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency.

* His first post-baseball obsession was hunting, but as a result of his felony conviction he can no longer own any dangerous weapon. Apparently he had to get a special court order to allow him to possess baseball bats.

* Kirk Reuter likes him because Bonds spent a flight giving Rueter's wife advice on how to get pregnant.
   84. God Posted: February 25, 2014 at 05:27 PM (#4662379)

* His first post-baseball obsession was hunting, but as a result of his felony conviction he can no longer own any dangerous weapon. Apparently he had to get a special court order to allow him to possess baseball bats.


Even as someone who thinks the second amendment should be shredded and fed to Mr. Wu's pigs, that restriction on Bonds sounds nonsensical and overreaching.
   85. God Posted: February 25, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4662381)
Don Stanhouse ("Stan the Man Unusual") has got to be on the all-weird team.
   86. toratoratora Posted: February 25, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4662402)
I nominate Darren Daulton as catcher on the all-weird team.
Carlton has to be on that team too-some of his post retirement interviews are really cracked.


ETA-He was my first thought for the all weird team, but Piersall suffered from a genuine diagnosed mental illness. I think that disqualifies him.

Also,Rube Waddell has to be on the all weird team. The man is too strange to have really lived.
   87. alilisd Posted: February 25, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4662443)
Why would baseball want its greatest living player to be around the game ?


Because Willie Mays is awesome! Say Hey!!!
   88. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:14 PM (#4662463)
Don Stanhouse ("Stan the Man Unusual") has got to be on the all-weird team.


Are you kidding? Don Stanhouse was an #######.
   89. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:17 PM (#4662469)
Don Stanhouse ("Stan the Man Unusual") has got to be on the all-weird team.


He certainly had one of baseball's greatest monikers.

Are you kidding? Don Stanhouse was an #######.

I never heard that about him, but I do know that he gave Earl the Pearl more ninth inning ulcers than a hundred "####### little fleas."
   90. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: February 25, 2014 at 07:21 PM (#4662472)
He had his team in trouble, goddammit, had the ####### bases loaded every time he went out there.
   91. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: February 25, 2014 at 08:33 PM (#4662505)
Brooks Robinson has to be on the nice guy team.
   92. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 25, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4662513)
Brooks Robinson has to be on the nice guy team.


Just as Piersall captains the weirdos, Brooks would probably take that honor for the nice guy squad.

And I was most fortunate to experience this first hand, having spent 90 minutes in a one-on-one interview with him about 20 years ago. What an absolute treat.



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