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Baseball Musings: Pinto: Drug Rumors

Who’s the one that’s wants to mill out in the field and leave ‘em shouting “yankee go home”
Who’s the mystery roider?
(who is the mystery roider?)

David Pinto, Will Carroll and the search for…An American League outfielder on a postseason team tested positive for steroids, according to his agent, but the player is appealing the results.

 

 

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   1. Jeff K. Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:21 AM (#1708757)
Whoo! Unfounded speculation time!

I'm guessing....Rivera or Nixon.
   2. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:24 AM (#1708760)
We've detected the source of Podsednik's postseason power surge.
   3. PFJ Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:25 AM (#1708761)
Please be Podsednik!
   4. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:27 AM (#1708767)
Its Gary Sheffield.
   5. Jeff K. Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:28 AM (#1708768)
This will turn out very, very badly for MLB if it were to be a White Sox outfielder and it's found out that the prolonged appeal process allowed him to play when he tested positive in, say, mid-August.
   6. tfwnn Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:31 AM (#1708774)
This will turn out very, very badly for MLB if it were to be a White Sox outfielder and it's found out that the prolonged appeal process allowed him to play when he tested positive in, say, mid-August.


Agree the second part would be very, very bad, but wouldn't it apply to all of the playoff teams equally?
   7. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:34 AM (#1708777)
Ooooh, maybe it's Tony Womack. That would be fun.
   8. Jeff K. Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:36 AM (#1708779)
Agree the second part would be very, very bad, but wouldn't it apply to all of the playoff teams equally?

Are you kidding? You think Seligula wants the warm fuzzies of the last two postseasons replaced by 4 months of howling from every sportswriter in the Nation that the Sox championship was tainted?

Bayless would have an aneurysm, Jay Mariotti would end up in a psych ward, and Stephen A. Smith would have to be put down.
   9. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:39 AM (#1708782)
I'm guessing....Rivera or Nixon.

Well I heard Rivera stole Jeter's glove so I wouldn't put it past him.


Bayless would have an aneurysm, Jay Mariotti would end up in a psych ward, and Stephen A. Smith would have to be put down.


So basically you're saying it would be the greatest day ever.
   10. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:41 AM (#1708785)
Somehow, I think Pinto's right about it being Steve Finley FWIW.
   11. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:41 AM (#1708786)
Jermaine Dye.
   12. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:42 AM (#1708788)
Somehow, I think Pinto's right about it being Steve Finley FWIW.

So he used performance dehancing drugs? That guy was awful this year. Just awful.
   13. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:43 AM (#1708789)
Bayless would have an aneurysm, Jay Mariotti would end up in a psych ward, and Stephen A. Smith would have to be put down.

Don't get my hopes up like that.
   14. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:43 AM (#1708790)
So, will the name be revealed before or after Pete Rose's reinstatement?
   15. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:44 AM (#1708794)
So he used performance dehancing drugs? That guy was awful this year. Just awful.

I know. But it wouldn't surprise me if a guy in Finley's position (highly paid FA, rapidly deteriorating skills) midway through the season did something stupid in an attempt to jumpstart his season.
   16. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:45 AM (#1708795)
You know what strikes me as odd? The Angels have an outfielder that had a late-career power surge, then started having odd injuries the last couple of years, and you never, never, never hear steroid rumors about him.

I'm not saying the rumors would be founded; but a lot of unfounded rumors get out there, so I wonder if this guy has been spared just because people like him, or if it's just incredibly obvious to close observers that such rumors would be untrue.
   17. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:45 AM (#1708798)
How could Will Carroll have been involved in the appeals process? Anyone know?
   18. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:48 AM (#1708801)
I'll tell you this: if it was Finley, and his stupid appeal process is what kept him in the lineup throught the postseason, I'll be mighty angry with 'im.
   19. chris p Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:48 AM (#1708802)
what nate said. why would will carroll be involved? i don't understand.
   20. Jeff K. Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:50 AM (#1708803)
I wonder if this guy has been spared just because people like him, or if it's just incredibly obvious to close observers that such rumors would be untrue.

It's because he's white. </Scoop Jackson>
   21. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:52 AM (#1708808)
Perhaps Carroll was an "expert witness" about what kind of drug it was that may or may not have caused a false positive. Or perhaps he is on the panel that reviews appeals, though I would imagine that panel is made up of MLB execs, though I have no idea ...
   22. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:52 AM (#1708809)
Not only does it interest me, but that would also likely shed light on the team involved. Is Carroll consulting with an agent? Why would they want him involved (not a diss, just curious)?
   23. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:53 AM (#1708810)
But, Jeff K, he's not white, the guy I refer to.
   24. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:53 AM (#1708811)
You know what strikes me as odd? The Angels have an outfielder that had a late-career power surge, then started having odd injuries the last couple of years, and you never, never, never hear steroid rumors about him.

Because Garret was "under-rated" for so long, they figure they owe him a break.
   25. Cowboy Popup Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:54 AM (#1708812)
"So he used performance dehancing drugs? That guy was awful this year. Just awful."

Or he could have used steroids the year before and stopped using this year and still gotten caught, which I think is more likely.
   26. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:58 AM (#1708816)
I bet it's Timo Perez.
   27. Tony H. Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:00 AM (#1708818)
As long as we're crazily speculating, weren't there rumors of Johnny Damon testing positive sometime around August?
   28. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:02 AM (#1708820)
Did anyone else see the title and think it was about Reynel Pinto?

I know Carroll has passed along some poor rumors but he seems to have a basis of knowlege here. I think it's absurd that baseball would let the player go in the playoffs. Not that the player should be denied the opportunity to appeal, but isn't there some way to take care of this post haste? Additionally, why wouldn't MLB have the last group of tests timed to account for the appeal so everything is cleared up by the time the postseason starts?

I suppose that it (my last sentence in the previous paragraph) creates some risk that players will start using the moment they know they cannot be tested. Would positive effects from steroids be evident in such a short time?
   29. tfwnn Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:02 AM (#1708822)
Are you kidding? You think Seligula wants the warm fuzzies of the last two postseasons replaced by 4 months of howling from every sportswriter in the Nation that the Sox championship was tainted?


Don't see that big a difference here. If the suspension was actively withheld to help a post-season team, then the playoffs are just as tainted regardless of which team it was.

Do you think said reporters will give Selig a pass if it's an Astro?
"Oh well, the Astros lost, so that's all right then. Go Sox!"
   30. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:05 AM (#1708823)
I never thought baseball would be able to top announcing contraction right after the '01 Series, but announcing positive steroid results for a postseason star just might do it.

Un-freakin'-believable.
   31. Paul D(uda) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:09 AM (#1708831)
tfwnn, that's pretty much exactly what I'd expect.
This is much much much worse for baseball if it's a member of the Sox. Hopefully it's a backup in San Diego or something.
   32. 1k5v3L Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:17 AM (#1708834)
it's manny.
   33. Matt Welch Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:19 AM (#1708836)
Please, God, let it be Finley....
   34. Chris Needham Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:19 AM (#1708837)
One thing I didn't see mentioned here or at Pinto's place is that this rumor made it to print in Sports Weekly, which as most of you know is put out by Gannett and USA Today. So it's not just Will making stuff up, as most people here would suspect :)
   35. Shredder Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:22 AM (#1708838)
If it's Finley, is there some sort of clause that allows the Angels to release him from his contract? Please say there is! Please, please, please, please, please.
   36. Shredder Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:29 AM (#1708839)
The Angels have an outfielder that had a late-career power surge, then started having odd injuries the last couple of years, and you never, never, never hear steroid rumors about him.

GA's homers by age:

23 - 16
24 - 12
25 - 8
26 - 15
27 - 21
28 - 35
29 - 28
30 - 29
31 - 29
32 - 14
33 - 17

Where's the late career power surge? He peaked at age 29, kept it going for a couple of years, and has tapered off as he's aged. You really think those numbers are even circumstancial evidence of steroid use? And other than that one season, his power numbers are in line with what he did in his rookie season before changing his approach at the plate. Push those numbers back 3 or 4 years and you may have a point, but I just don't see it.
   37. The Non-Catching Molina (sjs1959) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:32 AM (#1708842)
Erstad?

(ducks)
   38. JC in DC Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:34 AM (#1708845)
God I just hate these irrational steroids threads!

I think it was Sheffield, too.
   39. RP Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:38 AM (#1708847)
Did Anderson really have a late career power surge? His career path doesn't look all that unusual to me.
   40. JC in DC Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:38 AM (#1708848)
Whatever happened to that wild Clemens rumor? Is his "hammy" injury just a cover? Will he retire now b/c of it, when in fact it's like Michael Jordan's "non-suspension" dabbling in baseball? Was I really visited by little green men last night, who took me for a ride across space and time? Was it G. Gordon Liddy on the grassy knoll? And how else do you explain Adam Carolla's career, except by his being the son of the treasurer of the Illuminati?
   41. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:40 AM (#1708849)
If it's Finley, is there some sort of clause that allows the Angels to release him from his contract?

Speaking of which...

Was Colorado successful in voiding Neagle's contract? I would assume so as I haven't heard anything since the team announced their intention.
   42. Rod Poke Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:41 AM (#1708850)
Where's the late career power surge? He peaked at age 29, kept it going for a couple of years, and has tapered off as he's aged.

I assumed he was talking about Finley, although I've heard a rumor or two. Idle speculation, really.

Anyone think it might be Hernandez, from SD? It would have been a horrible mistake, given his pending free agency, but that didn't stop Palmeiro...
   43. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:42 AM (#1708851)
And how else do you explain Adam Carolla's career, except by his being the son of the treasurer of the Illuminati?

Imminent Death Sydrome

Here is the word on Neagle from www.mlb4u.com (an excellent website)

"after a greieveance was filed by Neagle, the Rockies reached an agreement on his termination and reportedly agreed to pay an estimated 16M of the 19.5M he was owed on 5/5/05"
   44. Shredder Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:44 AM (#1708854)
Anyone think it might be Hernandez, from SD?

Since the report says it was an outfielder from an AL team, I think Hernandez is safe for now.

And in the post above, I should have said GA peaked at 28, although he was 30 when he had his best slugging season, spurred on by 56 doubles.
   45. 1k5v3L Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:45 AM (#1708858)
neagle and colorado settled; i think neagle got most of his money, but colorado saved a million or two.

finley? i thought the guy was into strange voodoo sh!t. steroids is too boring. unless they're caribbean.

if it's damon, then methinks that rumor while back (damon and roger meathead) was actually true.

please let it be damon.
   46. Halofan Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:57 AM (#1708865)
OH PLEASE GOD PLEASE LET IT BE STEVE FINLEY... He was a teammate of Caminitti's...
   47. Halofan Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:00 AM (#1708871)
Wow, Shredder, Welch and I all saying please... Mannered society has expanded.
   48. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:09 AM (#1708877)
Each team, starting OFs ordered by completely personal and speculative order of likelihood:

White Sox: Dye, Podsednik, Rowand (all unlikely)
Angels: Finley, Anderson, Vlad (Finley seems a good choice)
Red Sox: Nixon, Damon, Ramirez (Nixon or Damon wouldn't surprise me, Manny would)
Yankees: Sheffield, Bernie, Matsui (Sheffield's the most likely of all - he's an admitted user)
   49. Nasty Nate Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:17 AM (#1708887)
Its Brian Giles and Mike Piazza, oh wait, we're limiting it to AL playoff outfielders.
   50. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:24 AM (#1708896)
Its Brian Giles and Mike Piazza

That sounds like a rumor but not of the steroid ilk.
   51. Pleasant Nate (Upgraded from 'Nate') Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:26 AM (#1708899)
Conspiracy theorists are going to have a field day if it's a White Sox. Selig's boy Reinsdorf gets to have a player in the post-season who should have been suspended? Against McClane in the WS, no less.
   52. Шĥy Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:30 AM (#1708901)
It will be an injustice if Sheffield tested positive. Has a steriod test ever experienced growing up in America as a black male?

Of course the more important question here is does Sheffield believe he can fly and/or touch the sky? If so, does he think about every night and day?
   53. Rafael Belliard is my hero Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:40 AM (#1708912)
Was there not the same rumor floating around in August that a player of significance had tested positive? I thought I remembered reading a post on here quoting Selig that the name would be revealed soon but I never saw anything. Whatever happened to all of that?
   54. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:45 AM (#1708920)
"That sounds like a rumor but not of the steroid ilk."

I can definitely confirm that Giles is NOT gay, or that at the least, he has sex with women on a fairly regular basis. My mother was involved in a business deal with his ex-wife right before Giles left Pittsburgh.
   55. Robert S. Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:47 AM (#1708921)
Please be Finley. Twist that knife in Brennaman's hackneyed heart.
   56. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:48 AM (#1708922)
That sounds like a rumor but not of the steroid ilk.

Are you suggesting that it's more of the "Totally Hot" variety?
   57. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:48 AM (#1708923)
Yeah, I think this article was written by somebody just trying to get attention. I will believe it when MLB announces something. Baseball musings is not a reliable source. If it was MLB, ESPN, or Fox Sports that had this article then it would be more valid. If it were true, though, my guess would be Podsednik; the guy hit two homers in the postseason without any in the regular season and the one in the World Series was an absolute blast.
   58. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:52 AM (#1708926)
Of course, if it was Guerrero, it would be interesting to see how the local media would spin it. Something like "McCourt Taints Vlad's Sample in Attempt to Bring Down the Angels."
   59. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:52 AM (#1708927)
I can definitely confirm that Giles is NOT gay, or that at the least, he has sex with women on a fairly regular basis. My mother was involved in a business deal with his ex-wife right before Giles left Pittsburgh.

About halfway through this post, I thought we were about to learn that Giles prefer mature ladies with baseball-loving sons.
   60. Most Favored Haitian Status Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:00 AM (#1708933)
I can definitely confirm that Giles is NOT gay, or that at the least, he has sex with women on a fairly regular basis. My mother was involved in a business deal with his ex-wife right before Giles left Pittsburgh.

You can't prove a negative. He's a douglas, anyway you slice it.
   61. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:05 AM (#1708935)
"About halfway through this post, I thought we were about to learn that Giles prefer mature ladies with baseball-loving sons."

Heh. Naw, my mom does have standards.

"You can't prove a negative."

I guess it's possible that he's extremely well closeted, but if so, he's taking the public misdirection to Howard Hughes levels.
   62. Шĥy Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:07 AM (#1708937)
I can definitely confirm that Giles is NOT gay, or that at the least, he has sex with women on a fairly regular basis. My mother was involved in a business deal with his ex-wife right before Giles left Pittsburgh.

About halfway through this post, I thought we were about to learn that Giles prefer mature ladies with baseball-loving sons.


After reading the first line, I was wondering why a female poster would have the name Vlad.
   63. Шĥy Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:10 AM (#1708938)
Naw, my mom does have standards.

Who are your sources? Is this another Will Carroll rumor?
   64. The Artist Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:14 AM (#1708940)
I remember you mentioning Giles before in this context Vlad. As I recall in my time there, he was known for his womanizing - but perhaps those weren't just rumors.
   65. DTS Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:17 AM (#1708943)
Where's the late career power surge?

His slugging percentages show a power surge at ages 30 and 31. Now whether that's "late career" or not....

Obvious steroid user.
   66. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:17 AM (#1708944)
I can definitely confirm that Giles is NOT gay, or that at the least, he has sex with women on a fairly regular basis. My mother was involved in a business deal with his ex-wife right before Giles left Pittsburgh.

You mom slept with Giles ex-wife?
   67. DTS Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:22 AM (#1708949)
You mom slept with Giles ex-wife?

That's hot.
   68. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:25 AM (#1708952)
Vlad's mom has got it going on.
   69. Human Papelbon Virus Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:29 AM (#1708953)
It has to be Adam Hyzdu. Has to be.
   70. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:39 AM (#1708954)
It's Harold Baines.
   71. Dan Szymborski Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:49 AM (#1708958)
Am I the only one troubled that someone who's supposedly part of the appeal process is publicly confirming rumors? These aren't trade rumors we're talking about here.
   72. Richard Simmons Posted: October 28, 2005 at 03:57 AM (#1708961)
I always thought Aaron Rowand was pretty jacked up....
   73. chris p Posted: October 28, 2005 at 04:00 AM (#1708964)
Am I the only one troubled that someone who's supposedly part of the appeal process is publicly confirming rumors? These aren't trade rumors we're talking about here.

nope. but since it's will carroll, i'm not surprised. actually i'm more troubled that he's part of the appeal process in the first place.
   74. base ball chick Posted: October 28, 2005 at 04:09 AM (#1708971)
Dan Szymborski Posted: October 27, 2005 at 11:49 PM (#1708958)

Am I the only one troubled that someone who's supposedly part of the appeal process is publicly confirming rumors? These aren't trade rumors we're talking about here.

- i agree with you

of course, i am the only one i can think of here who thinks that the leaking of federal grand jury testimony in the balco thing was a crime about a zillion times worse than useing or selling roids and that the leaker and the reporter who published it should be put in prison for it
   75. SABRJoe Posted: October 28, 2005 at 04:09 AM (#1708975)
This news is according to Player X's agent. Does Sheffield still represent himself? Just wondering if that "clears" him or if it's all a matter of semantics.
   76. SuperGrover Posted: October 28, 2005 at 04:35 AM (#1708990)
I always thought Aaron Rowand was pretty jacked up....

Unfortunately, so have I. of course, given the huge drop in power numbers this season, one would think he has been off the stuff for a while.

Who knows? As a Sox fan, i wouldn't be surprised if it were Rowand or Podsednik (his hamstring was not healing much at all-could he have turned to the stuff?). I would be very, very sad though.

Here's to hoping it's just a rumor.
   77. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: October 28, 2005 at 04:36 AM (#1708992)
Am I the only one troubled that someone who's supposedly part of the appeal process is publicly confirming rumors?

I had trouble wrapping my head around this as well, Szym. If there's a good reason why he's talking about it but can't REALLY talk about it's beyond my reasoning.

Does Sheffield still represent himself?

If he did represent himself, he probably would get an agent/lawyer for this. Heck, the MLBPA would provide one.
   78. Dewey, Soupuss Not Doomed to Succeed Posted: October 28, 2005 at 05:02 AM (#1709010)
I would be pretty shocked and saddened if it turned out to be a White Sox player, particularly because the White Sox players (led by Frank Thomas) were pretty adamant about wanting testing implemented a couple years back.

I guess Podsednik wasn't around back then...

But Will Carroll's poor track record regarding the accuracy of various rumors has made me gun-shy about believing them until it's corroborated by another source.
   79. Traderdave Posted: October 28, 2005 at 05:07 AM (#1709013)
course, i am the only one i can think of here who thinks that the lof aking of federal grand jury testimony in the balco thing was a crime about a zillion times worse than useing or selling roids and that the leaker and the reporter who published it should be put in prison for it
<i>

you're not alone at all, lisa

many americans still believe in fair legal play, due process and other such dangerous notions -- it's not just us two, there are millions of others
   80. VoodooR Posted: October 28, 2005 at 05:28 AM (#1709023)
it's not just us two, there are millions of others

True, tho most of us are afraid to set foot in a steroids thread around here. we can called things like "enablers".
   81. base ball chick Posted: October 28, 2005 at 05:50 AM (#1709034)
well i'm not afraid of the big bad vbb.

they can't tell me that because i think it's a serious major crime to leak or publish secret grand jury testimony means i want people to do drugs

well, they CAN tell me that but it won't do nothing to change what i believe
   82. The Non-Catching Molina (sjs1959) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 05:50 AM (#1709035)
But Will Carroll's poor track record regarding the accuracy of various rumors has made me gun-shy about believing them until it's corroborated by another source.

After he broke the Pete Rose reinstatement story, how could you doubt him?

Oh, wait....
   83. Los Angeles Waterloo of Black Hawk Posted: October 28, 2005 at 06:57 AM (#1709049)
Where's the late career power surge? He peaked at age 29, kept it going for a couple of years, and has tapered off as he's aged.

Well, as you partically acknowledge in a later post, it's about more than just the homers. By SLG+:

23 - 118
24 - 92
25 - 95
26 - 105
27 - 107
28 - 116
29 - 108
30 - 128
31 - 130
32 - 103
33 - 104

The age 30 and 31 seasons really stick out; if you take those years out, his progression is pretty normal.

You really think those numbers are even circumstancial evidence of steroid use?

No, as I mentioned, I do not; but he clearly had his best years at a fairly unique age, and a number of people have been accused on similar circumstantial evidence (i.e. Finley, though of course Finley was much older when rejuvenated).

I should have been clearer; I think it's a good thing that Garret has never been accused, since he fits a profile of someone that might be. I just wonder why that is.
   84. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 07:51 AM (#1709055)
"Am I the only one troubled that someone who's supposedly part of the appeal process is publicly confirming rumors?"

Just for the record, I'm not part of the appeals process.
   85. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: October 28, 2005 at 08:00 AM (#1709056)
By way of comparison, here's SLG+ for Finley:

24 - 84
25 - 86
26 - 108
27 - 109
28 - 95
29 - 103
30 - 101
31 - 129
32 - 116
33 - 99
34 - 120
35 - 121
36 - 95
37 - 114
38 - 111
39 - 112
40 - 89

To smooth things out, here's a moving three-year average weighted by PA:

24-26: 96
25-27: 102
26-28: 104
27-29: 102
28-30: 100
29-31: 113
30-32: 116
31-33: 115
32-34: 111
33-35: 113
34-36: 113
35-37: 111
36-38: 107
37-39: 112
38-40: 106

It's fairly unusual for a player to perform better in his late 30s than in his late 20s. Even after accounting for the fact that Finley played in pitchers' parks in the first half of his career (Astrodome and Jack Murphy), he displayed much more power after turning 30. Garrett Anderson had a late peak, but otherwise a normal progression (so far). Finley had the late peak, but his curve doesn't match most players--except for maybe Bonds.

And to jump ahead of that inevitable question, Bonds' three-year average in SLG+:
21-23: 119
22-24: 121
23-25: 130
24-26: 131
25-27: 148
26-28: 155
27-29: 162
28-30: 154
29-31: 147
30-32: 142
31-33: 144
32-34: 143
33-35: 151
34-36: 174
35-37: 188
36-38: 193
37-39: 185
38-40: 178
   86. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: October 28, 2005 at 08:08 AM (#1709058)
For the helluva it, here's Hank Aaron (before Bonds, the king of sustained peak in his late 30s):
20-22: 127
21-23: 139
22-24: 140
23-25: 147
24-26: 146
25-27: 149
26-28: 148
27-29: 151
28-30: 147
29-31: 143
30-32: 136
31-33: 143
32-34: 142
33-35: 150
34-36: 145
35-37: 155
36-38: 147
37-39: 154
38-40: 139
39-41: 125
40-42: 106

He's a witch!
   87. BFFB Posted: October 28, 2005 at 08:44 AM (#1709064)
"outfielder from a postseason AL team"

This is the classic specifically vague statement. It tantalises and allows people to jump to conclusions about the obvious choices, while really giving away virtually nothing.

Afterall, there was nothing there which indicated it was a starter or even semi-regular. It could just be someone on the postseason roster of one of the AL teams.
   88. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: October 28, 2005 at 08:52 AM (#1709065)
If Carroll's at all reliable (I'm not convinced that he is), then he seems to indicate that its not some scrub but a recognizable player. From the exchange Pinto cites on his blog:

SBL: "Is this a name we're actually going to care about?"

Carroll: "Yes."
   89. Walt Davis Posted: October 28, 2005 at 08:54 AM (#1709066)
It's Harold Baines.

Or Minnie Minoso. His age 57 performance was always a little suspicious.
   90. The Underground Man Posted: October 28, 2005 at 08:57 AM (#1709067)
I would be crushed if it was a White Sox player, not because I think it's a big deal but because of what it would do to the franchise. How many terrible sportswriters would run wild and try to equate one guy using steroids with the Black Sox scandal?
   91. BFFB Posted: October 28, 2005 at 11:26 AM (#1709108)
How many terrible sportswriters would run wild and try to equate one guy using steroids with the Black Sox scandal?

If that happened and you could harness righteous indignation as a power source, well, let's just say the worlds energy crisis would be solved.
   92. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:45 PM (#1709146)
If it is a White Sox player you can bet Selig will take swift and decisive action: he will form a Blue Ribbon Committee to discuss what should be done. A report will become due in the year 8146.

Best Regards

John
   93. jmac66 Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:48 PM (#1709150)
You mom slept with Giles ex-wife?

or his wife slept with Giles' ex-mom

(do they have a test for that?)
   94. JC in DC Posted: October 28, 2005 at 12:56 PM (#1709156)
well i'm not afraid of the big bad vbb.


And your obsession with us continues.

they can't tell me that because i think it's a serious major crime to leak or publish secret grand jury testimony means i want people to do drugs


Not only can't we, we haven't told you that. But it's cool that you continue to go around creating false impressions of our behavior, like you did in yesterday's lounge w/re to me.

well, they CAN tell me that but it won't do nothing to change what i believe


You've shown your beliefs to be beyond reason before, so this doesn't surprise me.
   95. Toby Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:41 PM (#1709206)
Gabe Kapler?
   96. Uncle Carl"s Impending Dirt Nap (Vida) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:55 PM (#1709225)
I know it's supposed to be from the AL, but did anyone else notice how skinny Klesko got all of a sudden?
   97. Uncle Carl"s Impending Dirt Nap (Vida) Posted: October 28, 2005 at 01:56 PM (#1709227)
And if it is Sheffield, the Karma police are doing their job properly.
   98. jmac66 Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:04 PM (#1709245)
And if it is Sheffield, the Karma police are doing their job properly

I don't know about that--after all, Reinsdorf won the series
   99. The Bones McCoy of THT Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:05 PM (#1709248)
And if it's a member of the White Sox somebody in the media is gonna have Chicago re[nick]named the Poopy City.

Best Regards

John
   100. bunyon Posted: October 28, 2005 at 02:07 PM (#1709251)
So, JC, what is your take on the grand jury leak? It did seem to me when the steroid threads were at their height that "you guys" didn't really care about the leak and thought it was justified. I tried not to wade into those threads too much but I found that surprising. I'm more or less with you guys wrt to PEDS but I was always a little troubled that you thought pro athletes using PEDS was more serious than court officials leaking testimony.

Not troubled enough to clarify before now, clearly.
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