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There is the disorienting sense of rah-rah about the whole thing. It’s a celebration, which seems the wrong tone if what we are doing is honouring those who have been harmed or risked harm on our behalf.

In U.S. arenas, they’ve been slowly phasing out the military trappings. The paying public can apparently tolerate only so many patriotic ballads and fly-overs.

One thing they still do regularly is focus in on one veteran during a break in play, name him or her, and allow the crowd to react as it will. In every instance, it’s a rousing and respectful ovation. That is a heartening and specific act. It’s not an endorsement of an institution or an idea, but of a single person. I’m always about as cynical as it comes, but it gives me chills every time.

Seeing your heroes running around in camo is neither heartening nor instructive. It’s toying with politics. Cheering in that environment is a mandate of the hive mind, because are you going to be the one guy who sits on his hands while everyone is standing? No matter how good the intention, it’s coercive and arbitrary.

Paul D(uda) Posted: May 27, 2014 at 04:26 PM | 71 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: May 27, 2014 at 09:06 PM (#4714234)
We have always been at war with ourselves.
   2. Bruce Markusen Posted: May 27, 2014 at 09:11 PM (#4714239)
What I don't like about the camouflage is that you can't see the team names, which are, yes, camouflaged from our vision. That makes perfect sense in war, and no sense in baseball, where the idea is for your fans to be able to see the team names, logos, and colors.

It's time to get back to letting TEAMS decide what uniforms they will wear, and not Major League Baseball.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 27, 2014 at 09:15 PM (#4714242)
Meh. Its a tribute. Lighten up. I don't really get the criticism. Its coercive? You can sit on your hands if you want. People are also free to criticize you if they want. I don't know how we got it in our heads that freedom of speech = freedom from criticism.

That being said, the cammo on baseball jerseys is ugly as all get out.
   4. Dale Sams Posted: May 27, 2014 at 10:00 PM (#4714260)
because are you going to be the one guy who sits on his hands while everyone is standing?


I will stand. I will not applaud.

But it's really the whole 'fought for my freedom' meme that gets my goat.
   5. Justin T is going to crush some tacos Thursday Posted: May 27, 2014 at 10:12 PM (#4714264)
When the Red Sox win the AL East the benches clearing in Tampa on Sunday won't be what brought the team together. The win streak began on Memorial Day, after all. The players were so inspired by the sacrifice of the servicemen...
   6. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: May 27, 2014 at 10:22 PM (#4714274)
sure beats the pink outfits, or the patronizing 'Los Bulls'
   7. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 27, 2014 at 10:51 PM (#4714293)
I don't mind the camo uniforms. It tends to be a one time thing. What drives me nuts is the endless repeating of "God Bless America" (with jackasses like Dan Clark and Ronan Tynan who make it about themselves) and the honoring of a serviceman every single game. There are a lot of great people in this country who make a massive difference in a lot of people's lives outside the military and no one makes a big deal of it. If they honored the servicemen for meaningful accomplishment and mixed it up a bit that would be different.

I'm going to a ####### baseball game, not a pro-USA rally.
   8. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4714298)
I despise god bless america and all the pomp and circumstance that comes from it. But I don't agree with most of the comments here. Yes they go overboard with the patriotism thing, but it's ridiculous to compare other peoples civilian sacrifices with the same that people do who join the military...outside of fireman, there aren't many jobs where potentially losing your life is considered a sign of heroic action. (I currently work in one of the more dangerous professions in the country, but people die generally because they are stupid/lack training or equally as often, their bosses cut corners...but there is no heroic action in their deaths, just a sad accident)

I have no problem with people having problems with the government or even military actions, but I do draw a line at trying to diminish the sacrifices veterans make in their decision to join up(regardless of their reasons). But I also consider Fireman equally as important of a decision.... I don't have the same respect for policeman for various reasons.
   9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:01 PM (#4714300)
From the article:
We’re Canadians. We’d rather have a frank public discussion about our sex lives than firearms. While we’re alike, we are vastly different in this way. Every American I’ve ever known is much more at ease in the martial environment. Or maybe just used to being around people who are. Recent history suggests they’d be better off following our lead in this regard.

If only we had put up a better effort in the War of 1812, we wouldn't have to endure these continual claims of Canadian superiority. A tad unneighborly, IMHO.
   10. madvillain Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:06 PM (#4714306)
I'm not in agreement with much of radical feminist political theory, but one thing they freaking nail is the American (and the patriarchy's) obsession with death over life. The fetishization of death in war, "for your country" is sickening.

I'm glad we stopped Hitler, that doesn't mean we need to incorporate war into our daily routine with flyovers, camo at the park, etc.

I have no problem with people having problems with the government or even military actions, but I do draw a line at trying to diminish the sacrifices veterans make in their decision to join up(regardless of their reasons).


I don't think anybody is raging against saying "hey, thanks for serving". People are raging against the American War Machine, which extends to everyday civilian activities to such a degree that our ball players are wearing camo.
   11. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:20 PM (#4714316)
are you going to be the one guy who sits on his hands while everyone is standing?

Actually I am That Guy who won't stand for GBA.

Not that I have anything against God or America, but GBA is not the national anthem and I refuse to elevate it to the same level.
   12. bobm Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:26 PM (#4714325)
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tomwatson/2014/05/26/a-memorial-day-question-has-military-cause-marketing-gone-too-far/

I don’t entirely blame Major League Baseball, because this camo unis deal is really just part of a trend. Along with pink bats, they’re designed to make us feel we’re contributing to a better society, “supporting the troops” and acting the part of solid American citizens. On the surface, there’s nothing wrong with that. As MLB notes: “The Memorial Day effort is part of MLB’s ongoing recognition of veterans, active military and military families. MLB has committed more than $30 million to Welcome Back Veterans since its inception in 2008, helping to raise year-round awareness of the challenges faced by returning military.” OK, and I’ve stood and cheered at ballgames when vets are recognized on the big screen.

But do the math, please. Thirty million over six years is $5 million per year. Divide that by 30 clubs, and that’s roughly $167,000 per team, rounded up. Which is fine – but the New York Yankees are worth $2.5 billion, according to Forbes’s Mike Ozanian. Heck, even the Tampa Bay Rays – ranked last by Forbes – are worth half a billion. Given the merchandising, television and radio exposure, and coverage that baseball gets for supporting the troops, it does seem that its $5 million per year commitment is a marketing bargain.

And that goes to the core of what bothers me this weekend about the camo uniforms, the commercials featuring widows of soldiers talking about the support of the 5-Hour Energy drink, the Budweiser “Hero’s Welcome” Super Bowl spot, the Zillow ad featuring a soldier and his wife shopping for a house long distance, and all those ads that deliberately highlight the emotional reunions of soldiers and loved ones – you know, the private moments that leave a lump in your throat. If you watch commercial television, you’ve seen them. There are so many that it’s almost as if Madison Avenue is devoid of new ideas and defaults to: “let’s go with the veterans.” Some of these campaigns have a charitable aspect (and good on those who do) and some do not. They merely use the soldier’s experience as their storyline.

It all feels starkly and sadly disproportionate to me. These companies, and brands, and marketers are getting – or taking – social capital and reputation that is paid for in blood, in death and sacrifice, in long painful recoveries and damaged psyches, and in financial hardship in so many cases. In an era when we’re really failing to properly serve returning veterans – as the latest in a long line of Veterans Administration scandals so clearly illustrates – and at a time when so many nonprofits and social entrepreneurs are working hard to fill in the gaps, it seems to this veteran of the nonprofit cause wars (but not the real battlefield) that companies are gaining far more than they’re giving. [...]

Memorial Day began after the Civil War as Decoration Day, and it referred to the sprucing up of military gravesites with flowers, and plantings, and flags. It was a solemn day of national remembrance. Like most American holidays, it became a day off from work for most – and thus, a time to gather, and barbecue, and shop, and watch baseball. But the solemnity of remembering those sacrifices does remain, even amidst the commercialization. The U.S. is just emerging from a long period of conflict and war, and this country has hundreds of thousands of combat veterans with traumatic injuries and post traumatic stress disorder. They need our help. And they are not an ethical sales pitch for beer or baseball.
   13. cardsfanboy Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4714332)
Not that I have anything against God or America, but GBA is not the national anthem and I refuse to elevate it to the same level.


Absolutely agree. You play the Star Spangled Banner or the Marine Corps Hymn and I'm standing up.....not much else is going to make me stand up. (in proper circumstances hail to the chief or other national anthems...and maybe even the songs of the lesser military like Navy or Army. :) )
   14. madvillain Posted: May 27, 2014 at 11:32 PM (#4714337)
I'm in 100% on this. I'm against the pink crap, I'm against "would you like to make a donation to fight prostate cancer" question that the clerk asks me at the supermarket when I'm buying a pizza.

As for the stuff wrt to sports -- aren't sports supposed to be about forgetting real life, at least for a moment? We don't need to be reminded of cancer and war, it cheapens everything involved.
   15. Accent Shallow Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:37 AM (#4714418)
Actually I am That Guy who won't stand for GBA.

Not that I have anything against God or America, but GBA is not the national anthem and I refuse to elevate it to the same level.


Concur.
   16. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:43 AM (#4714421)
I'm in 100% on this. I'm against the pink crap, I'm against "would you like to make a donation to fight prostate cancer" question that the clerk asks me at the supermarket when I'm buying a pizza.


I invariably respond that no, I would not, in fact I support prostate cancer. #### that noise.

As for the stuff wrt to sports -- aren't sports supposed to be about forgetting real life, at least for a moment? We don't need to be reminded of cancer and war, it cheapens everything involved.


As Mike Polk poignantly put it in his famous "Factory of Sadness" screed against the Cleveland Browns: "And look, I know that there are way more important things in life than football... but you are supposed to be our pleasant distraction from those things!"
   17. My guest will be Jermaine Allensworth Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:28 AM (#4714430)
Actually I am That Guy who won't stand for GBA.

Not that I have anything against God or America, but GBA is not the national anthem and I refuse to elevate it to the same level.

That's a good time to stand at a urinal, actually. Getting up with two outs in the top of the seventh is the best time to go.
   18. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 28, 2014 at 02:39 AM (#4714433)
Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious

Hey, it's not mine but it does ring a little true if citizens/countries go a bit over the top.
   19. cardsfanboy Posted: May 28, 2014 at 03:08 AM (#4714434)
Okay...I'm not sure where people are going with this, but I'm getting the feeling that people are feeling out how negative that they can go.

1. I'm a liberal patriot.
2. I'm a marine corps veteran.
3. I'm an atheist and despise the combination of god and country.


Now that we have gotten that out of the way. I despise the fact that people treat memorial day as if it's veteran's day. They are not, and should never ever be confused with the same holiday. I think that people who served this country whether voluntarily or not should be respected. I think that any massive public institution(like pro-sports) should not avoid being honoring these people who voluntarily served their country. In fact there is nothing wrong with them honoring them roughly a few weekends of the year.... but don't go overboard.

and camo uniforms generally ####### suck as a baseball uniform....it's a nice attempt...but it's a true failure. "wow let's throw the symbol of rednecks everywhere and pretend it's a military honor".... If you want to honor the miliary...you start with the flag....and you end with their emblem....camouflage literally has nothing to do with military honors.

   20. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 07:03 AM (#4714441)
CFB: So what you're saying is MLB took a fundamentally sound idea and horrendously botched its implementation?

Why I never!
   21. Hal Chase School of Professionalism Posted: May 28, 2014 at 07:41 AM (#4714446)
CFB: So what you're saying is MLB took a fundamentally sound idea and horrendously botched its implementation?


Perhaps we should look at that idea again.... an instant replay, if you will.
   22. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:11 AM (#4714451)
My mom (who lives in Toronto) was wondering why the Canadian team celebrates the American holiday when they are playing at home (the Jays had the camo stuff, too), but the American teams never celebrate the Canadian holidays (like July 1st, Canada Day) when they visit the American cities.

She has no problem if they are playing in the US on Memorial Day and participate, but that day isn't celebrated in Canada.

It never dawned on me until she mentioned it, but it does seem kind of weird that the Canadian franchise is roped into the American celebration.
   23. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:16 AM (#4714453)
That's not something I understand well. Why do American hockey arenas play the Canadian national anthem when hosting a Canadian team, and vice versa? It's a courtesy, I suppose, but out of the 20,000-plus in attendance there are less than 100 (players and staff of the teams) who care, and in the case of an American team playing in Canada the number is more like 10. And it's not for the TV crowd; the anthems usually are not broadcast, except during important playoff games.

Forcing a crowd full of Canadians to pretend to care about an American holiday is more absurd yet.
   24. JE (Jason) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:20 AM (#4714455)
What I don't like about the camouflage is that you can't see the team names, which are, yes, camouflaged from our vision. That makes perfect sense in war, and no sense in baseball, where the idea is for your fans to be able to see the team names, logos, and colors.

So that's one vote for pink, green, and orange neon?
That's a good time to stand at a urinal, actually. Getting up with two outs in the top of the seventh is the best time to go.

Then grab your last $9.75 beer of the game.
   25. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:25 AM (#4714457)
That's a good time to stand at a urinal, actually. Getting up with two outs in the top of the seventh is the best time to go.

Only if they'll let you go.

Campeau-Laurion said his clash with cops began when he decided to use the bathroom at the start of the seventh-inning stretch. He got up and made his way down the aisle as the song began playing.
A police officer blocked his path and told him he couldn't leave during the song, the lawsuit alleges.

Campeau-Laurion explained that he needed to use the restroom and was not concerned about "God Bless America." Then he attempted to walk past the officer.

Before Campeau-Laurion could take a step, the police officer grabbed his right arm and twisted it behind his back, the lawsuit claimed.
   26. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:33 AM (#4714463)
"wow let's throw the symbol of rednecks everywhere and pretend it's a military honor"


Baseball has Confederate flag uniforms? Those must be ugly as ####.
   27. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:56 AM (#4714468)
If only we had put up a better effort in the War of 1812, we wouldn't have to endure these continual claims of Canadian superiority. A tad unneighborly, IMHO.

Coming from an American, this is absolutely hilarious.
   28. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:58 AM (#4714469)
The iron rule of late capitalism is that anything real and genuine will be expropriated, trivialized, and monetized. There was no reason to think war, sacrifice, and honor would be an exception and it isn't.
   29. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:15 AM (#4714473)
Baseball has Confederate flag uniforms? Those must be ugly as ####.


That occurred to me as well, but then I figured he must be referring to wifebeaters (where the hell did that term for sleeveless T-shirts come from?) instead. Not much of an improvement, really.
   30. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:16 AM (#4714474)
My mom (who lives in Toronto) was wondering why the Canadian team celebrates the American holiday when they are playing at home (the Jays had the camo stuff, too), but the American teams never celebrate the Canadian holidays (like July 1st, Canada Day) when they visit the American cities.


Canada has holidays? I would've thought they're too polite to single one day out to the exclusion of the others for fear of making them feel insignificant.
   31. Rusty Priske Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:21 AM (#4714478)
Why do American hockey arenas play the Canadian national anthem when hosting a Canadian team, and vice versa?


I have a better question... why do you they play ANY national anthems? Sports are NOT about national pride and acting like they are is pretty ridiculous. (With exceptions being made where the teams in question actually ARE representing their country...)
   32. Greg K Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:27 AM (#4714483)
Canada has holidays? I would've thought they're too polite to single one day out to the exclusion of the others for fear of making them feel insignificant.

There's Victoria Day, where we celebrate the life of Queen Victoria by enjoying her favourite past-time - drinking Molson products in the woods.

Then Labour Day, which differs from the American holiday in that there is a U in it. And also on that holiday Canadian Football teams that hate each other the most are obligated to play one another.

Boxing Day, where people box each other for the right to return unwanted Christmas gifts at 3am on December 26th

Family Day, an ill-advised and unsuccessful attempt to combat mid-February thoughts of suicide

And the stirringly named "August Civic Holiday", steeped in tradition.
   33. Greg K Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:33 AM (#4714485)
I have a better question... why do you they play ANY national anthems? Sports are NOT about national pride and acting like they are is pretty ridiculous. (With exceptions being made where the teams in question actually ARE representing their country...)

In principle I'm inclined to agree, but when a Canadian team hosts an American one in an NHL playoff game the fan reaction to the national anthems always gets me, even if it's a Canadian team I hate.

Though hockey is so important to Canada, and the anxiety that comes with maintaining hockey as the one bastion where we can hold off the general American superiority is so powerful, that the Montreal Canadiens or Edmonton Oilers may as well represent Canada. Unless it's the Ottawa Senators, then they represent everything weak, evil, and corrupted in humanity.
   34. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4714496)
Family Day, an ill-advised and unsuccessful attempt to combat mid-February thoughts of suicide


See I would think "get the hell away from my family day" would be more successful there.

Unless it's the Ottawa Senators, then they represent everything weak, evil, and corrupted in humanity.


The Sens? This seems a bit like hating the Brewers. Every once in awhile they stumble into an OK season but they never do anything meaningful.
   35. Joey B. Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:50 AM (#4714499)
Good grief, we've got another wannabe Viola now.
   36. Greg K Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:54 AM (#4714501)
The Sens? This seems a bit like hating the Brewers. Every once in awhile they stumble into an OK season but they never do anything meaningful.

Well you can only truly hate your equals, and I'm a Leafs fan.

Playing them 18 times in a row in the playoffs helped too.
   37. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: May 28, 2014 at 09:57 AM (#4714507)
I love "O Canada."
   38. Greg K Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:13 AM (#4714516)
I love "O Canada."

I do like this version.

"Well that was borderline treasonous, and a disgrace to our nation, and its proud and storied history. My father didn't kick the Nazis...AND THE PUCK DROPS"
   39. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:16 AM (#4714519)
I'll never forgive Canada for having a way better national anthem than we do.
   40. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:34 AM (#4714530)
"wow let's throw the symbol of rednecks everywhere and pretend it's a military honor"


How far do you think you can throw Toby Keith?
   41. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM (#4714535)
Stomping them 18 times in a row in the playoffs helped too.


FTFY
   42. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:42 AM (#4714540)
How far do you think you can throw Toby Keith?


Or the Duck Dynasty people. There seem to be a bunch of them.
   43. Greg K Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:53 AM (#4714546)
FTFY

Fair enough...though that last one wasn't precisely a stomping. More like Belfour standing on his head for six games, and then Patrick Lalime forgetting how to play hockey for the seventh.

Of course that all just made that one my favourite series. There's nothing quite as satisfying as beating your rival when they have a clearly better team!
   44. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:55 AM (#4714548)
There's Victoria Day, where we celebrate the life of Queen Victoria by enjoying her favourite past-time - drinking Molson products in the woods.

I've lived in five different Canadian provinces but was born, raised and is now living in Quebec. Canada and Quebec are really in two different universes.

Here are some (futile) examples:

We don't have Victoria Day in Quebec. Instead, we have, on the very same day, National Patriot's Day, which we celebrate by drinking Molson products in the woods.

We do not celebrate July 1st all that much. June 24th is our big day, which we celebrate by drinking microbrewery products in the streets, in parks and in the woods.

Thanksgiving is celebrated the second Monday of October in Canada. Except in Quebec where we don't give a damn by drinking beer anywhere.

We like celebrating winter as well by drinking caribou in the street.
   45. Ron J2 Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:59 AM (#4714551)
#33 Don't forget the push to add another holiday ( I've heard it called "Beer Day" -- a good thing to celebrate) because ... well we need another holiday when the weather is reasonably good.
   46. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 28, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4714552)
How far do you think you can throw Toby Keith?



Or the Duck Dynasty people. There seem to be a bunch of them.


I'm envisioning a new version of bowling taking shape here...
   47. Greg K Posted: May 28, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4714555)
We do not celebrate July 1st all that much. June 24th is our big day, which we celebrate by drinking microbrewery products in the streets, in parks and in the woods.

It is perhaps typical that in listing the Canadian holidays I totally forgot about Canada Day.
   48. zack Posted: May 28, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4714609)
We like celebrating winter as well by drinking caribou in the street.

Is it served hot? That sounds fantastic for the dead of winter.
   49. Moeball Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4714672)
Here in San Diego they do the following every Sunday Padres home game:

1)Let the Marines sit in the right field nosebleed seats down by the foul pole
2)Wear the camo jerseys
3)Recognize veterans during breaks between innings
4)Do GBA before Take Me Out to the Ballgame at the 7th Inning Stretch

So Memorial Day isn't really any different from any other weekend.

Whether you stand or don't stand or sing or don't sing for GBA isn't a big deal here, fortunately.

Campeau-Laurion said his clash with cops began when he decided to use the bathroom at the start of the seventh-inning stretch. He got up and made his way down the aisle as the song began playing.
A police officer blocked his path and told him he couldn't leave during the song, the lawsuit alleges.

Campeau-Laurion explained that he needed to use the restroom and was not concerned about "God Bless America." Then he attempted to walk past the officer.

Before Campeau-Laurion could take a step, the police officer grabbed his right arm and twisted it behind his back, the lawsuit claimed.


This is nuts.

And see, this is how NY is so liberal. Their namby-pamby cops only bodily threw him out for "disrespecting" God Bless America. In Texas I would expect them to shoot you if you don't sing along.
   50. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4714679)
Not true at all. They're not big on America in Texas. They're big on Texas in Texas. You're probably thinking of Iowa.
   51. dr. scott Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4714696)
Here in San Diego they do the following every Sunday Padres home game:

1)Let the Marines sit in the right field nosebleed seats down by the foul pole
2)Wear the camo jerseys
3)Recognize veterans during breaks between innings
4)Do GBA before Take Me Out to the Ballgame at the 7th Inning Stretch


Ok, that settles it. Im going to the Saturday game the weekend im there. There is even a Beat LA t-shirt giveaway.
   52. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:20 PM (#4714711)
[50] nails it. Nobody cares if I sit or whatever during GBA, but you better believe I'm on my feet doing the Cotton Eyed Joe right after lest I get roughed up by security.
   53. Tim Wallach was my Hero Posted: May 28, 2014 at 01:49 PM (#4714747)
Is it served hot?

It can. But when I was younger, we would carry the bottle around while walking the streets so we had no mean to heat it.
   54. Shredder Posted: May 28, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4714793)
There is even a Beat LA t-shirt giveaway.
Good lord, even the Padres have appropriated the dumbest chant in sports? It's really sad to hear that chant when the Kings play the Sharks. It's sad to think that the center of American technological innovation can't come up with anything better than something thought up by mid-80s Celtics fans. It's even sadder to hear it Anaheim, where all of those people apparently don't realize that they more or less live in L.A.
   55. Booey Posted: May 28, 2014 at 03:12 PM (#4714797)
That occurred to me as well, but then I figured he must be referring to wifebeaters (where the hell did that term for sleeveless T-shirts come from?) instead.


I remember asking that same question when I first heard the term as a teenager. The answer I got was to watch COPS - whenever they're responding to a domestic disturbance, the drunken redneck that was slapping his wife around always seems to be wearing one.
   56. Obo Posted: May 28, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4714801)
I refuse to hate the Ottawa Senators. It gives them too much credit.
   57. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 03:27 PM (#4714808)
I remember asking that same question when I first heard the term as a teenager. The answer I got was to watch COPS - whenever they're responding to a domestic disturbance, the drunken redneck that was slapping his wife around always seems to be wearing one.


A couple of other interesting possible origins appear here, one dating back to 1947. The COPS possibility is cited as well.
   58. cardsfanboy Posted: May 28, 2014 at 03:32 PM (#4714813)
A couple of other interesting possible origins appear here, one dating back to 1947. The COPS possibility is cited as well.


The term wifebeaters was out long before Cops came out.
   59. base ball chick Posted: May 28, 2014 at 03:55 PM (#4714829)
50. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4714679)

Not true at all. They're not big on America in Texas. They're big on Texas in Texas. You're probably thinking of Iowa


- correctamundo. there are no cops who make sure you can't go to the bathroom. there aren't even cops in the upper decks. or lower decks or the expensive behind the plate section

but you best be standing and singin with the texas national anthem every game...

the stars at night
are big n bright

clapclapclapclap

deeeeeep in the heat of texas...
   60. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4714848)
I remember asking that same question when I first heard the term as a teenager. The answer I got was to watch COPS - whenever they're responding to a domestic disturbance, the drunken redneck that was slapping his wife around always seems to be wearing one.

Nah, most of the perps on COPS seem to be shirtless.
   61. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 04:37 PM (#4714849)
Double Post
   62. Ziggy Posted: May 28, 2014 at 04:43 PM (#4714859)
"by drinking caribou in the street"

I didn't realize that they were made of liquid. Or maybe you put them in blender first? What do you do with the antlers?
   63. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 28, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4714913)
Or maybe you put them in blender first?


The RovCo Super Caribo-matic '76?
   64. Booey Posted: May 28, 2014 at 06:34 PM (#4714919)
A couple of other interesting possible origins appear here, one dating back to 1947. The COPS possibility is cited as well.

The term wifebeaters was out long before Cops came out.


That's interesting. I don't remember ever hearing the term until the 90's. When I was a kid in the 80's we all still called those shirts tank tops.
   65. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:30 PM (#4714959)
My experience with the term matches Booey's, except for the fact that I was past kidhood in the '80s.
   66. cardsfanboy Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4714970)
Wrong thread
   67. Howie Menckel Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4714971)

that spousal term was around my neighborhood in the 1970s, lotta ex-Bronx and Brooklyn fellows in my 'hood growing up....
   68. cardsfanboy Posted: May 28, 2014 at 08:47 PM (#4714972)
Wrong thread.
   69. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 28, 2014 at 10:53 PM (#4715034)
I honestly can't believe that term for a tank top still hangs around and without much in the way of backlash. It seems to me like it would have been weeded out by now.

   70. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 28, 2014 at 11:03 PM (#4715043)
that spousal term was around my neighborhood in the 1970s, lotta ex-Bronx and Brooklyn fellows in my 'hood growing up....

That jibes with my recollection. "Wifebeater" T-shirts were urban (not redneck) attire, often associated with Italian-Americans, way BITD, before my time even.
   71. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: May 29, 2014 at 06:53 AM (#4715148)
The term wifebeaters was out long before Cops came out.

That's interesting. I don't remember ever hearing the term until the 90's. When I was a kid in the 80's we all still called those shirts tank tops.


I also associated the term with the COPS show. When I was a kid we called them "Guinea t's", consistent with #70's associated with Italians.

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