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Wednesday, April 25, 2012

Baseball Prospectus: 12 Favorite Batting Stances

When I was a kid, my brothers and I used to mimic every unusual batting stance we knew. Of course, We all did the Julio Franco. My favorite, however, was my right-handed version of Will Clark because it actually made me hit better. I wonder who the kids pretend to be today.

I thought this was a fun one from Baseball Prospectus.

1. Willie Aikens
For one highly forgettable Little League season, I used a righty-version of the corkscrew batting stance used by the Royals’ Willie Mays Aikens. The only pictures I could find online don’t do it justice. He held his hands high and his elbow even higher, sort of like Joe Morgan in that regard. However, his lower body was all coiled up, with his right knee kind of bowed in the wrong direction. The result was a long, unwinding kind of swing that generated a lot of power—he hit 77 homers during his four full seasons with Kansas City, which is a very respectable total for Royals Stadium in that era. I wish I could say that the stance also generated a lot of power for me. I did not. I seem to remember cueballing a lot of pitches off the end of the bat. —Bradford Doolittle

2. Tony Batista
Most batting stances, however varied, begin with a hitter’s legs more or less parallel to the line between the mound and the plate. Somewhere along the way to his peculiar brand of slugging stardom, Tony Batista took a look at this centuries-old tradition and decided that everyone else was doing it totally wrong. Batista began his at-bats with his feet more or less perpendicular to the pitcher, his bat held high in front of his face as though he were wielding a samurai sword. As the incredulous pitcher peered in for the sign, muttered, “What the hell?” and delivered, Batista would swing his left leg forward, his foot still essentially “in the bucket” the way your Little League coach horsewhipped you into avoiding. Then he would hack away. The results weren’t pretty, but they weren’t entirely ineffective. In his 11-year-career, Batista bopped 221 homers, with a high of 41 for the Blue Jays in 2000, part of a six-year stretch from 1999-2004 in which he averaged 31 per year. His unorthodox swing didn’t help his plate discipline any; he hit a lopsided .251/.299/.453 for his career, for a substandard .253 True Average. —Jay Jaffe

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11. Rickey Henderson
Rickey and I share the same rare genetic mutation, a condition not commonly known as “baseball platoon dyslexia.” Symptoms include a dual predisposition to left-handed throwing and right-handed batting. This unfortunate malady can be a death knell to baseball careers; the afflicted must overcome significant barriers in the field and at the plate, but Rickey was a model for success in the face of adversity, providing a template for my own development. I was mesmerized by his batting stance, with the low crouch that effectively shrunk Rickey’s strike zone to Eddie Gaedel levels, and I mimicked the technique to the chagrin of opposing Little League pitchers. The knees were bent, the hands stayed back, the bat wrapped slightly behind the head, and the spine was hunched over like Quasimodo. 

Rickey retired with all-time records for steals (1406), runs (2295), and walks (2190), and though the latter mark would be cracked by Barry Bonds during the video game years, Rickey is still the all-time leader in unintentional free passes (with a 259 UIBB lead on Bonds). Rickey stalked walks like no other player of my generation, structuring not only his batting stance but also his plate approach toward the singular goal of seizing control of the basepaths.

Rickey was one of the most entertaining personalities that has ever graced the baseball landscape, teasing the crowds with his third-person monologues, conducting silent symphonies on his home run trots, and flashing snap-catches on routine fly balls. We can roll our eyes at his swagger, but that bravado was all part of Rickey’s competitive approach. Rickey was the ultimate grinder despite his aloof reputation, with an unbridled passion for the game that is as rare as it is infectious. The man played in the majors through age 44 and continued to ply his trade in the independent leagues after major-league teams stopped inviting him to spring training. I will not be surprised if Rickey resurfaces at the age of 62, leading off for the St. Paul Saints in an attempt to harness his inner Minnie Minoso. —Doug Thorburn

Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:00 AM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 25, 2012 at 01:23 PM (#4115789)
Despite being regarded as one of the worst hitting coaches of all-time by his former players, I always loved watching Ben Oglivie's stance, the way he waved the #### out of his bat.

Good call in TFA on Dawson too, he made the bat look like a wafer thin toothpick the way he strangled the hell out of it.
   2. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 25, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4115818)
My first batting stance was Rod Carew's, and I embarrassed myself for years. It was simply impossible for another human to hit that way... except for Oglivie, who (if I recall correctly) modeled his after Carew mid-career and really started to hit.
   3. Steve N Posted: April 25, 2012 at 01:56 PM (#4115828)
No love for John Wockenfuss? Bill James loved his stance.
   4. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 25, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4115836)
except for Oglivie, who (if I recall correctly) modeled his after Carew mid-career and really started to hit


I think you mean Cecil Cooper, not Oglivie. Benji had a hyper active pre pitch routine which ended with him whipping the bat like a violently wagging index finger.

   5. bachslunch Posted: April 25, 2012 at 02:27 PM (#4115862)
Some other delightfully eccentric batting stances worth noting and not mentioned in the above article (he also includes Carew, Buhner, Cruz, Plantier, Tolan, Franco, Dawson, and O'Neil): Dick McAuliffe, Joe Morgan (chicken wing arm flap), Jeff Bagwell, Stan Musial, Carl Yastrzemski (deserves mention given Tolan's on his list), Mickey Tettleton, Richie Hebner, Kevin Youkilis, Mel Ott, Craig Counsell, Dwight Evans, Gary Sheffield, Frank Cipriani, Chuck Knoblauch, and Brian Downing. If pre-stance eccentricities count, also Nomar Garciaparra and Mike Hargrove. I guess Eddie Gaedel belongs in there somewhere, too.
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 25, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4115867)
Some other delightfully eccentric batting stances worth noting and not mentioned in the above article

Vic Power

If pre-stance eccentricities count,

Colavito (EVERY kid in Cleveland imitated it)
   7. puck Posted: April 25, 2012 at 02:34 PM (#4115870)
I liked the bravado of Oscar Gamble's stance (at least when he was with the Yankees), but I sure as hell couldn't copy that. Seemed like he leaned his head over the plate.
   8. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 25, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4115875)
I think you mean Cecil Cooper, not Oglivie.
Yes! Thanks for that :)
   9. DL from MN Posted: April 25, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4115895)
I always thought Thome's stance was part of his intimidation factor.
   10. Random Transaction Generator Posted: April 25, 2012 at 03:26 PM (#4115918)
Mickey Tettleton


He was the guy that swung the bat clock-wise through the zone once, twice, and then would screech to a halt at the 9 o'clock position on the third pass-through, parallel to the ground, with the handle pointing at the pitcher, right?

I used to do that ALL the time when I was a teenager.

Edit: I guess it was counter-clockwise from his point of view.
   11. Neutral Milk Dotel (Dan Lee) Posted: April 25, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4115937)
I used the Rickey Henderson as a Little Leaguer, largely because I was an awful hitter and wanted to make the strike zone as small as possible. Never let it be said I don't know my own weaknesses.
   12. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: April 25, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4115955)
One of my Little League coaches told us to use Harold Baines's high leg kick to make sure we stepped into the pitch. We had a lot of hitters falling down as they tried to swing.
   13. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 25, 2012 at 04:38 PM (#4116023)
Colavito (EVERY kid in Cleveland imitated it)


What did Rocky do? He's before my time.
   14. DL from MN Posted: April 25, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4116054)
12 - Every kid my age had Kirby Puckett's leg kick, mostly to their detriment.
   15. DA Baracus is gritty and hits with RISP Posted: April 25, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4116065)
I always liked Jim Leyritz's straight front leg stance, and Cal Ripken's late career "I'm too old for this ####\" rest the bat on the shoulder look.
   16. God Posted: April 25, 2012 at 05:12 PM (#4116067)
I'm pretty sure I can still do a pitch-perfect Kirk Gibson stance.
   17. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: April 25, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4116122)
Wasn't Pete Rose basically "Rickey Henderson, minus the front leg extension"? I remember Rose having a similarly exaggerated crouch.
   18. dlf Posted: April 25, 2012 at 06:17 PM (#4116174)
The Carew statue linked in the article seems wrong. There should be more weight on his back leg. In my memory, he is leaning back towards the catcher at almost a 45 degree angle rather than crouched but vertical. I don't know if it happened much, but I seem to remember Carew and Don Baylor next to each other in the California lineup; one bent close to the ground, leaning backwards and reaching even further back with the bat parallel to the ground, the other absolutely straight up with a bat pointing at the sky.
   19. Morty Causa Posted: April 25, 2012 at 06:18 PM (#4116175)
It wasn't just the stance, but the whole ritual. Before entering the box, he would place the bat behind his neck and across his shoulders and do a stretch. Then as he took the bat from behind his neck he would #### his neck from side to side. When he began his practice swings he paused longer than usual to point his bat directly at the pitcher and then slowly moved the bat to his final cocked position just above the shoulder level.


Rocky Colavito's pre-stance ritual

To do it justice, you'd need to see it. Once he was in his stance (it was modeled after DiMaggio, I think), he looked nothing out of the ordinary.
   20. Obo Posted: April 25, 2012 at 07:21 PM (#4116226)
Blue Jays fan here and the most extreme batting stance I can remember was Garth Iorg. Crouched low with his weight so far back as to make driving the ball a physical impossibility. As a result probably also the least threatening stance I've ever seen.
   21. frannyzoo Posted: April 25, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4116234)
Tolan FTW here. I remember trying this stance repeatedly as a kid and finding it was like trying to hold up the spinning plates in an Ed Sullivan bit. Bat kept falling. I like to imagine all the coaches telling Tolan, "No. Don't hold it like that." Over and over and over.
   22. Shock Posted: April 25, 2012 at 07:40 PM (#4116240)
Every time I go up, I wag my bat up and down like Gary Sheffield. I can't hit #### for power, but in my mind it makes it look like I can.
   23. danup Posted: April 25, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4116261)
I always loved Jim Edmonds's stance. Legs spread apart, then nothing but a little twist of his front heel and the laziest-looking uppercut swing in baseball.
   24. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4116273)
#19 - thanks for the info.
   25. Morty Causa Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4116313)
I only just noticed that the censor did a #### on the harmless use of the verb cockk. Is that a new thing? Have the powers that be expanded the list of prohibited words?
   26. ChadBradfordWannabe Posted: April 25, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4116315)
Good Lord, he HAS to be there, no?

Yes, on #10. Yes, I grew up a Tiger fan in the early 90's and as such, I tried Tettleton, Deer and Fielder's stances. You ever see a 12-13 year-old kid do a Tettleton impression at the plate? (to the horror of my dad, I'm sure).
   27. Brian White Posted: April 25, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4116342)
I used to emulate Tony Batista's stance while playing softball. When you're on a company softball team, a significant number of people who play have next-to-zero baseball or softball experience, and are just there for enjoyment. Fielders see a stance like that, and assume I'm a non-baseball player who got roped into playing to get a full team.

But that gets old, so I've switched to a Frank Thomas-style stance - open, but not ridiculously so.
   28. McCoy Wilfong for Money Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4116384)
Eric Davis's was always fun to play with.
   29. Ebessan Posted: April 25, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4116390)
I always thought Thome's stance was part of his intimidation factor.

Yeah, Charlie Manuel's "just point the bat at them" move that he gave Howard/Thome is perfect and timeless.

I've always loved Sheffield and Youk's bat wiggle dances. But definitely THE batting stance for me is Bagwell's.
   30. WillieMays Haze Posted: April 26, 2012 at 12:13 AM (#4116570)
Jim Leyritz' batting stance made him my favorite player when I was about 7 years old. Sent him a baseball card once in 93 or 94 and he mailed it back autographed. It arrived in the mail on my birthday, one of the greatest events of my childhood. Knew it was real because I later received other Leyritz signed memorabilia over the years. Then he went and hit a bunch of big homeruns in the playoffs and became infamous for other stuff...

Leyritz had the most incredible batting stance I've ever seen. He also stood very far off the plate.

Mo Vaughn's was great.

Gary Sheffield, Barry Bonds and the bat wagglers.

Didn't Hal Morris used to walk forward as part of his batting stance?

   31. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 26, 2012 at 12:20 AM (#4116573)
Even today in softball leagues I emulate Gary Sheffield's tick-tock bat waggle. As a kid I tried to hit like Strawberry, of course.
   32. Lars6788 Posted: April 26, 2012 at 12:33 AM (#4116582)
I liked Andres Galarraga's open stance when it was credited with his resurgent season with the Rockies in 1993.

I also like Dante Bichette's stance, especially when he had his career year in 1995 by traditional baseball number standards.
   33. Hecubot Posted: April 26, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4116853)
Phil Plantier's stance was so freakin' bizarre. Giants fans joked about Rowand's crap-taking stance, but Plantier's was even more extreme.

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