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Monday, December 09, 2002

Baseball-Reference.com - Major League Baseball Statistics and History

Here is the note I sent out to subscribers about the changes on the site.
————————————————————————-

Baseball-Reference.com is now fully updated with 2002 statistics.  The
postseason results, the awards voting, the game logs and the salaries
have all been updated.  I’ve also fixed the errors that made it into
the last release (thank you for the e-mails).

  2002 Awards Voting
  2002 World Series
  2002 Anaheim Angels Schedule and Record Breakouts


Patrick Reynolds from the Oracle of Bacon (oracleofbacon.org) recently
created a similar site for baseball.  I’ve licensed this application
from him, so it now appears on Baseball-Reference.com.  It is a bit
hard to explain, but please give it a try.

  Oracle of Baseball


There are just two days left to bid on the new player and team pages.
All the rookies and most team pages are still just $10.  To learn
more, visit the auction main page.  General Sponsorship information is
at the second link.  Sponsorships support this site and start at $5.

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Subscribers to Sports Illustrated will find an article about
Baseball-Reference.com and me (its creator) this week.  It won’t
appear at newsstands, unfortunately.

Thank you again for your interest in Baseball-Reference.com. 

Sincerely,
SeanForman

Sean Forman Posted: December 09, 2002 at 02:21 AM | 128 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. Bart Posted: December 09, 2002 at 10:42 AM (#195911)
A comparison I've been fond of for a while:

Bill Dickey (1928-1946) played with Red Ruffing (1924-1947) for the 1933 New York Yankees
   102. Repoz Posted: December 09, 2002 at 01:59 PM (#195919)
More VCP's...

2.995-Cal Mclish
   103. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq., LLC Posted: December 09, 2002 at 03:28 PM (#195930)
Bud Weiser (1915-1916) played with Ben Tincup (1914-1928) for the 1916 Philadelphia Phillies
   104. scotto Posted: December 09, 2002 at 03:31 PM (#195931)
Posted 2:52 a.m., December 9, 2002 (#89) - Dan
   105. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: December 09, 2002 at 03:32 PM (#195932)
"This being an insanely trivial thread: I ask those who were older than I was when Randy Johnson debuted if they remember who the tallest player in MLB history was before him."
   106. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: December 09, 2002 at 03:34 PM (#195933)
Posted 3:31 a.m., December 9, 2002 (#94) - Dan
   107. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: December 09, 2002 at 03:49 PM (#195935)
Babe Ruth (1914-1935) played with Lyn Lary (1929-1940) for the 1929 New York Yankees
   108. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:07 PM (#195936)
More on the death trip...

Ed Delahanty (1888-1903) played with Nap Lajoie (1896-1916) for the 1898 Philadelphia Phillies
   109. Steve Treder Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:13 PM (#195937)
"'This being an insanely trivial thread: I ask those who were older than I was when Randy Johnson debuted if they remember who the tallest player in MLB history was before him.'

I forget who - but I know it was during WWII."

It was Johnny Gee, 6-feet-9, also a left-handed pitcher.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/g/geejo01.shtml
   110. Fadeaway: The Baseball History Podcast Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:24 PM (#195939)
RHP Gene Conley was also 6'9"
   111. Fadeaway: The Baseball History Podcast Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:25 PM (#195940)
...according to "The Ballplayers," although B-R.com lists him at 6'8".
   112. dks Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:28 PM (#195941)
Well, we also need shortest to tallest, so:

Eddie Gaedel (1951-1951) played with Jim Dyck (1951-1956) for the 1951 St. Louis Browns
   113. Fadeaway: The Baseball History Podcast Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:32 PM (#195943)
Bill Russell (1969-1986) played with Jerry Stephenson (1963-1970) for the 1970 Los Angeles Dodgers
   114. Fadeaway: The Baseball History Podcast Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:34 PM (#195944)
Mark Fidrych (1976-1980) played with Steve Grilli (1975-1979) for the 1977 Detroit Tigers
   115. HCO Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:36 PM (#195945)
How many total team-years are there? I'd guess around 5000. You could pregenerate a minimum-weight spanning tree for all 5000 team-years. Then when asked to link Joe Smith who played for X team-years with Bob Jones who played for Y team-years, you'd just check all X*Y possible links, and take the shortest.
   116. HCO Posted: December 09, 2002 at 04:39 PM (#195946)
By the way, if the developers are reading this, I'd love if we could link teams as well as players. In other words, I'd like to be able to see the link between the 1918 Boston Red Sox and Nomar Garciaparra, or between the 1876 Elizabeth Resolutes and the 1980 Philadelphia Phillies, without guessing players from each team who would make good links....
   117. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: December 09, 2002 at 05:11 PM (#195950)
Wait a second - with all this shortest to tallest talk - isn't Jon Rauch taller than Randy Johnson? I could look up, but I'm lazy.
   118. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: December 09, 2002 at 05:13 PM (#195951)
Glasscock & Dickshot are linked by Heine?

Hee-hee.
   119. GMR Posted: December 09, 2002 at 05:30 PM (#195952)
Mitch Williams (1986-1997) played with Pete Incaviglia (1986-1998) for the 1987 Texas Rangers
   120. GMR Posted: December 09, 2002 at 05:32 PM (#195953)
Chris J. (#137):

"Wait a second - with all this shortest to tallest talk - isn't Jon Rauch taller than Randy Johnson? I could look up, but I'm lazy."

Depends who you believe. Baseball-reference.com has him at 6'10", the official Sox site at 6'11".
   121. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: December 09, 2002 at 05:47 PM (#195955)
How's this for a prestigious line:

Slidin' Billy Hamilton teamed with fellow HoFer Vic Willis who teamed with Babe Adams who teamed with Paul Waner who teamed with Warren Spahn who teamed with Phil Niekro who teamed with Rickey Henderson.

Five HoFers - four no-brainers & Vic Willis, a 6th guy who'll get in on the first ballot & one of the best control pitchers ever. Not bad.
   122. Vardibidian Posted: December 09, 2002 at 06:14 PM (#195957)
Pinkham, Duffy and Foley are ten links away from Hinske (and some 200 other people). I haven't found any ten-linkers other than those three, but then I haven't spent nearly enough time with this toy.

Thank you,
   123. Charles Saeger Posted: December 09, 2002 at 08:28 PM (#195961)
Billy Hamilton (1888-1901) played with Vic Willis (1898-1910) for the 1898 Boston Beaneaters
   124. Justin Binek Posted: December 09, 2002 at 10:56 PM (#195968)
Fun with Judaism:

Hank Greenberg played with Dixie Howell for the 1947 Pittsburgh Pirates. Dixie Howell played with Sandy Koufax for the 1955 Brooklyn Dodgers.

Sandy Koufax played with Don Sutton for the 1966 Dodgers. Don Sutton played with Charlie O'Brien for the 1985 Oakland Athletics. Charlie O'Brien played with Shawn Green for the 1996 Toronto Blue Jays.

(Devon White, Jesse Orosco, Dave Stewart, Dick Schofield, Paul Molitor, Tony Phillips, Jose Canseco, Alfredo Griffin, and Orel Hershiser can all be subbed for Charlie O'Brien.)

Eliminating the Koufax connection...

Hank Greenberg played with Cal McLish for the 1947 Pittsburg Pirates. Cal McLish played with Frank Robinson for the 1960 Cincinnati Reds. Frank Robinson played with Alfredo Griffin for the 1976 Cleveland Indians. Alfredo Griffin played with Shawn Green for the 1993 Toronto Blue Jays.

(Other intermediary connections include Billy Pierce/Gaylord Perry/Darnell Coles, Pierce/Jose Cardenal/Orosco, Gene Woodling/Ed Kranepool/Orosco, Pierce/Perry/Danny Darwin, McLish/Rick Wise/Griffin, Pierce/Manny Mota/Stewart, and Pierce/Mota/Candy Maldonado, for what it's worth).
   125. Repoz Posted: December 09, 2002 at 11:35 PM (#195973)
Crisp......"Human Rain Delay"....Get It??
   126. Repoz Posted: December 09, 2002 at 11:36 PM (#195974)
shatz...I wus outlurked
   127. WillYoung Posted: December 10, 2002 at 12:08 AM (#195975)
Michael Jackson and (Tom) Prince were teammates last year for the Twins
   128. WillYoung Posted: December 10, 2002 at 12:15 AM (#195976)
Here's another fun one that is preventing me from studying for my finals:
   129. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 12:20 AM (#195977)
Rolling Rock with a sherry chaser?

Ray Rolling (1912-1912) played with Ed Konetchy (1907-1921) for the 1912 St. Louis Cardinals
   130. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 12:23 AM (#195978)
Best Linebacker ever---
   131. Greg Franklin Posted: December 10, 2002 at 01:04 AM (#195979)
In researching the Yamil Benitez / Babe Ruth connection, I came up against the very same flaw GregT2 described in #42. In 1995 Roberto Kelly started the season with the Expos, then got traded after 24 games to the Dodgers. Benitez debuted for the Expos September 26, 1995, about 4 months after Kelly had been sent out.

Dave - my understanding is that the Rey Ordonez search is one of the B-R Easter Eggs. Sean may be able to tell you where the rest lurk.

Chris - one devil's food cake coming up. How's the job hunt going?
   132. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 01:25 AM (#195980)
Chris Truby played with Troy O'Leary for the 2002 Montreal Expos
   133. SeanForman Posted: December 10, 2002 at 01:30 AM (#195981)
Re: Easter Eggs

There are roughly 20 odd such searches. I'm probably going to revamp the search at some point and more may pop up then.
   134. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 01:34 AM (#195982)
Hey Sean since you are around how is your server? I am considering submitting the Baseball Oracle link to Fark.com but I don't want to crsh the site.
   135. Charles Saeger Posted: December 10, 2002 at 01:53 AM (#195984)
? Willie Keeler (1892-1910) played with Art Wilson (1908-1921) for the 1910 New York Giants

?? Art Wilson (1908-1921) played with Luke Sewell (1921-1942) for the 1921 Cleveland Indians

?? Luke Sewell (1921-1942) played with Johnny Berardino (1939-1952) for the 1942 St. Louis Browns

?? Johnny Berardino (1939-1952) played with Eddie Gaedel (1951-1951) for the 1951 St. Louis Browns
   136. Shredder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 02:32 AM (#195985)
Had to be done:

Babe Adams (1906-1926) played with Charlie Grimm (1916-1936) for the 1920 Pittsburgh Pirates
   137. SeanForman Posted: December 10, 2002 at 04:04 AM (#195987)
Bernal,

We are all going to find out this week anyways, so I don't see the harm.

The SI article is going out to 1.2 million subscribers and I'm guessing the Time article will make it to a similar number. It should be an interesting week. Last time BR.com was in SI is when we went down for 2 weeks back in April of 2001. That time we were on a server with a bunch of other sites. Now BR.com has its own dual-processor server and seems to do all right.

At some point we'll have to kick it up a notch, but we should be good for now.

That reminds me if a really good mod_perl programmer wants to make a little money let me know. I would like to get the player_search optimized for speed and using mod perl is probably the best way to do it. I had it going at one point, but I had some memory leaks or wasn't dropping the DB properly, or just didn't know what I was doing and it crashed the server. I just need some directions and pointers. I could also pay in BR.com sponsorship dollars.
   138. Shredder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 04:11 AM (#195988)
Is the Time article subscriber only too? And will the accompanying photo be a glamour shot, or just something more candid. We want to know, dammit!!
   139. Paul Mazurkiewicz Posted: December 10, 2002 at 04:29 AM (#195989)
How many total team-years are there? I'd guess around 5000.

You'd be way off. Through 2002, 2415 team-seasons.
   140. WillYoung Posted: December 10, 2002 at 04:30 AM (#195990)
Unfortunately, SeanForman and EricEnders have never reached the majors so this will have to do:

Bill Forman (1909-1910) played with Clyde Milan (1907-1922) for the 1910 Washington Senators
   141. Shredder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 04:43 AM (#195991)
My maternal line to as close as I could get to my Paternal line (of course, I have no idea whether I'm related to Buster Hoover through my mother's side, but I am related to former President Herbert Hoover---and there has never been a Seitz, so Kevin's it).
   142. Shredder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 04:43 AM (#195992)
My maternal line to as close as I could get to my Paternal line (of course, I have no idea whether I'm related to Buster Hoover through my mother's side, but I am related to former President Herbert Hoover---and there has never been a Seitz, so Kevin's it).
   143. Shredder Posted: December 10, 2002 at 04:46 AM (#195993)
and there has never been a Seitz

In the major leagues, that is.
   144. Flynn Posted: December 10, 2002 at 05:19 AM (#195995)
"Posted 11:46 p.m., December 9, 2002 (#180) - Shredder
   145. Paul Mazurkiewicz Posted: December 10, 2002 at 05:35 AM (#195999)
Mike Piazza (1992-2002) played with Tom Candiotti (1983-1999) for the 1995 Los Angeles Dodgers
   146. Paul Mazurkiewicz Posted: December 10, 2002 at 05:43 AM (#196000)
Elmer Bliss (1903-1904) played with Fred Holmes (1903-1904) for the 1903 New York Highlanders
   147. Pete Sommers Posted: December 10, 2002 at 06:58 PM (#196007)
Joe Frazier (1947-1956) played with Tito Francona (1956-1970) for the 1956 Baltimore Orioles
   148. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: December 10, 2002 at 07:15 PM (#196008)
According to the Oracle -- and as noted the method is inaccurate because of transaction dates -- here are all the players with 500 or more career teammates. 'nother The Record for The Rickey and probably the only top-10 list Dave Martinez will ever make...

[Shame on me, I had to look up Deacon McGuire
   149. Elijah Posted: December 10, 2002 at 08:37 PM (#196010)
Sorry - it had to be done:

Pinky Higgins (1930-1946) played with Hank Johnson (1925-1939) for the 1936 Philadelphia Athletics
   150. scott Posted: December 11, 2002 at 02:09 AM (#196012)
I'd like to have the option to leave Minoso out in his later decades. It's just not right.
   151. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: December 11, 2002 at 02:49 AM (#196016)
Mike Hargrove (1974-1985) played with Bert Blyleven (1970-1992) for the 1984 Cleveland Indians
   152. Boileryard Posted: December 11, 2002 at 03:05 AM (#196017)
Another challenge:

What two active players are the most separate? Are there any more than 2 degrees separated?
   153. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: December 11, 2002 at 06:18 AM (#196020)
Posted 9:13 p.m., December 10, 2002 (#200) - JonDaly
   154. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: December 11, 2002 at 06:48 AM (#196021)
Top-5 Cumulative 2nd Order
   155. Lujack Posted: December 11, 2002 at 09:36 PM (#196022)
Late to the party, but still a good one...
   156. SeanForman Posted: December 11, 2002 at 11:31 PM (#196025)
Well, Bangkok that explains why my server logs had a big jump that hour. You people are so mean to my server. ;-) Are you in Bangkok? If so I'm impressed that it went that quickly.

The 149 gaps are the 149 people who were managers only or are in the Hall of Fame, but are not players.
   157. Shredder Posted: December 12, 2002 at 02:12 AM (#196026)
Just got my copy of SI in the mail today, Sean. Congratulations on the pub. And keep up the good work.
   158. fables of the deconstruction Posted: December 12, 2002 at 04:59 AM (#196031)
Was the other Brian Giles the one who hit the three home runs in a game against the Jays one time? I've been driving myself nuts trying to remember who that was.

Matthew,

Not in one game, actually in two.

------------
   159. Bangkok9 eschews 1 from Column A Posted: December 12, 2002 at 05:58 AM (#196032)
Posted 6:31 p.m., December 11, 2002 (#212) - SeanForman
   160. Jay Jaffe Posted: December 12, 2002 at 03:58 PM (#196033)
Sean, Shredder, et al. -- I'm confused (haven't been spending much time here lately due to work). Is the SI thing in the Lance Armstrong issue? I got mine yesterday and didn't see nuthin'. Do I have the right issue? What page am I looking for?
   161. SeanForman Posted: December 12, 2002 at 04:10 PM (#196034)
Well,

I certainly had considered it and probably would have done it if asked, but it is a little late now, isn't it.

RE: the SI article.

They said it was going to out to some subscribers (totalling 1.2m folks). I believe it should be in the Armstrong issue. Someone sent me the article sent it has appeared on lexis nexis, so I know that it exists.
   162. Shredder Posted: December 12, 2002 at 04:20 PM (#196035)
Yes, its in the Armstrong issue. I don't know the page number off the top of my head, but you go past the scorecoard, and then a bunch of small articles (4 or 5) before you get to it.

And Sean looked dreamy.
   163. Bob T Posted: December 12, 2002 at 06:00 PM (#196036)
The article about Sean is a section called "Scorecard Extra". It's on an unnumbered page. The Armstrong profile starts on Page 52. The last page before it with a number is page 48 (Sports beat). There are about 20 pages in between in my issue (West Coast version).

As a librarian, an article like this would drive us crazy because someone would come in looking for it and you might never find it because it's not in every issue and it will have some weird page designation (page 48-Z or some such nonsense).
   164. Bob T Posted: December 12, 2002 at 06:03 PM (#196037)
But does anyone know who the Sean Foreman, a poli sci professor at Union Institute and University in Miami, who gets quoted about the Marlins, is?
   165. Bob T Posted: December 12, 2002 at 06:03 PM (#196038)
But does anyone know who the Sean Foreman, a poli sci professor at Union Institute and University in Miami, who gets quoted about the Marlins, is?
   166. Bob T Posted: December 12, 2002 at 06:10 PM (#196039)
And yes, I do know that it's Forman and Foreman? But still.

And yes, I do know I double posted. D'OH!
   167. Jay Jaffe Posted: December 13, 2002 at 12:55 AM (#196048)
Found the article; congrats once again, Sean. I'm bummed that the banner in the photo isn't the one I designed, though. So much for my business plan of riding your coattails to glory...

Kind of odd that the article mentioned Total Baseball without noting that TB did have a very good stats website at one time, probably the best online source for that stuff before B-R came along. The lack of hyperlinks from team-year to player-career and back was a drag though, and it was slower than a footrace between Mo Vaughn and a hide-a-bed.
   168. BrandonMO (U L) Posted: July 10, 2003 at 08:20 AM (#196051)
Neifi Perez played with Lenny Harris for the 1999 Colorado Rockies
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