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Baseball teaches values, tied to nation’s fate, professor says

Football: “a game of action that discourages thought and reflection”..after that, much like Chico, California in ‘22…it’s raining rocks in Oldcootersville.

On Saturday, the longtime Kansas State University history professor returned to Kansas Wesleyan, this time to discuss the effect of baseball to the health of the American form of government.

“It’s the game that drives me, and it’s still the greatest game devised by human beings,” Robert Linder said.

Historically, baseball has functioned as one of the key avenues for teaching each new generation the values that hold the country together, Linder said, and to be a successful player requires mental agility as well as physical strength. Now football, “a game of action that discourages thought and reflection,” is increasingly popular, he said.

...“Why Baseball is Better than Football, Especially for Republicans: The Presentation that Nobody will Publish” was the title of Linder’s address, which he read from a manuscript he wrote and submitted to a leading history of baseball journal in 2008.

Linder said the essay was termed “inappropriate” and was not published, and the remarks written by the journal’s reviewers included the question: “Who is this crazy old coot anyway?”

...“There’s sufficient separation on the field between players that they can’t hide from individual responsibility in a crowd—as they do in football or in Congress,” Linder said.

In baseball, each player’s skill is highlighted, and there is a faith in the individual, he said. Individual merit and self-reliance is the “bedrock of baseball,” and the value of the individual is also the driving force in civilization that keeps government intrusion into private lives at a minimum, Linder said.

Repoz Posted: April 01, 2012 at 05:51 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: April 01, 2012 at 07:54 AM (#4094093)
Shut up.
   2. Tricky Dick Posted: April 01, 2012 at 09:54 AM (#4094103)
You submit a blatantly partisan article about a sport that is enjoyed by people of varied political leanings...and you are surprised that it doesn't get published? I think I prefer George Carlin's comparison of football and baseball.
   3. Jay Z Posted: April 01, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4094106)
I think he's right. Much like our economy, where the best thing is to inherit a lot of money from your priors, if you inherit a lot of baseball-playing talent from your priors you can make a lot of money playing the sport. Honestly, the success in the sport is mostly derived from quick-twitch reflexes or the ability to throw the ball at a speed that can't be matched with any amount of training. So if you like fortune determined by the accident of birth, you like baseball.

While almost all football players are also immensely talented athletes, there is a requirement to dedicate one's body to the violence and health risk that weeds out certain people.

The idea that you can hide on a football field and not do your job is ridiculous. I guess since it's a sport that requires acknowledging the existence of other people and teammates in order to complete the task, it's not fair to Republican sensibilities. The statheads also seem to like that a player can get his hits and go home and sip his martinis at his mansion even if the team is going to hell, he's "done his job."

   4. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 01, 2012 at 10:11 AM (#4094111)
You submit a blatantly partisan article about a sport that is enjoyed by people of varied political leanings...and you are surprised that it doesn't get published?

It's not that it's partisan, it's that it's incoherent. Its title is "Why Baseball is Better than Football, Especially for Republicans", but the values he celebrates are largely communal, and he warns against our becoming an "imperial" nation. He seems to be in favor of things like school prayer, which I suppose is something that Republicans drool over, but the last Republican I remember who warned about the dangers of "empire" was Robert Taft**. Not to mention that "greedy owners" and "television moguls" are hardly the sort of Republican talking points one generally hears these days.

**Libertarians are a completely different story on that topic, but they're not included in his title.
   5. Danny Posted: April 01, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4094116)
Who is this crazy old coot anyway?
   6. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 01, 2012 at 10:34 AM (#4094119)
I'm pretty sure we had a thread on this dude a year or two ago. Did he get this twaddle published in the National Review or something?
   7. Gamingboy Posted: April 01, 2012 at 10:43 AM (#4094120)
People see in baseball whatever they want to see.
   8. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 01, 2012 at 11:18 AM (#4094132)
I'd like to see baseball's birth certificate before I'm willing to call it our national pastime.
   9. Guapo Posted: April 01, 2012 at 11:31 AM (#4094142)
Linder said watershed court cases in the 1960s changed what national values public education could impress upon the minds of young people. A curriculum that emphasized values such as order, freedom, justice and love of God, neighbor and country was forbidden from being taught in public schools that served an increasingly culturally diverse group of students.


Um.

Each baseball game is "another chance to gather in a green place around home," he said. "The symbolism is overpowering."


Linder then ordered everyone to get off the green place around his home.
   10. Brian C Posted: April 01, 2012 at 11:38 AM (#4094146)
Linder said watershed court cases in the 1960s changed what national values public education could impress upon the minds of young people. A curriculum that emphasized values such as order, freedom, justice and love of God, neighbor and country was forbidden from being taught in public schools that served an increasingly culturally diverse group of students.

Holy hell, this guy might be my father-in-law ... oh wait, no, this guy likes baseball. Never mind.
   11. fra paolo Posted: April 01, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4094160)
I'd like to see baseball's birth certificate before I'm willing to call it our national pastime.

Like the United States', it was issued by a British local authority.
   12. hokieneer Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4094162)
Pretentious d-bag.


   13. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4094165)
"It’s the game that drives me, and it’s still the greatest game devised by human beings,


...however, it's still not as good as 'fetch,' the greatest game devised by dogs."
   14. Tuque Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4094167)
People see in baseball whatever they want to see.

Academics see in anything whatever they want to see.
   15. tshipman Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4094174)
Not really clear to me how this article is ever going to end up with discussion of anything other than political talking points.
   16. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4094176)
I'll try to help, tshipman:

"They impact youth with high drama seldom found in the school classroom," he(Lindler) said

This man is a monster!
   17. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:39 PM (#4094184)
Not really clear to me how this article is ever going to end up with discussion of anything other than political talking points.

OTOH since nobody in his right mind would want to take ownership of such a weird and self-contradictory thesis, at least it won't lead to a BTF bloodbath. I give it fewer than 10 more posts before it croaks of its own accord.
   18. veer bender Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:41 PM (#4094185)
Since I still have a good bit of respect for academia, I'm going to squint hard and read #16 as a refutation of #14. The academics that my mind was warped by would absolutely cringe/rage at modern business-style writing that uses "impact" in place of "affect" about 8 times per page (to give the writing more "impact" of course).
   19. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 01, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4094191)
But "impact" is an active verb!
   20. veer bender Posted: April 01, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4094196)
Beyond merely active, it's impactful. I don't know how you can expect anyone to appreciate the intensity of need for what you're proposing/selling without it. It's a wonder any bridges ever got built BITGOD.
   21. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 01, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4094213)
People see in baseball whatever they want to see.

For instance, yesterday a piece went up on The New Republic about how baseball has less class warfare and racial tension and economic exploitation than other sports.
   22. SoCalDemon Posted: April 02, 2012 at 01:26 PM (#4094734)
To further defend academia, I think it is important to reiterate that this article did, in fact, get rejected. Just because somebody submits an (in this case, partisan [although not actually agreeing with any coherent viewpoint espoused by anybody, as has been noted], incoherent, and just plain weird) article to an academic journal does not mean anything. As a sometimes (as little as possible; it is a thankless job) reviewer myself, there is a reason 90+% of manuscripts are rejected. And about 99.99% of rejected manuscripts are better than this.

That said, baseball is self-evidently better than football, because I like baseball better than football, and the ball is round.
   23. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 02, 2012 at 01:35 PM (#4094736)
That said, baseball is self-evidently better than football, because I like baseball better than football, and the ball is round.

Yes. Whoever designed a "ball" this is not round is truly history's greatest monster.
   24. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 02, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4094737)
"It’s the game that drives me, and it’s still the greatest game devised by human beings,

...however, it's still not as good as 'fetch,' the greatest game devised by dogs."


Baseball is great, but it's no Calvinball.

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