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So none of the winners were bad picks. (What the hell is going on??)
Rookie of the Year last year, MVP this year. Where is is there left to go from here?
kevin is preparing a mylar bag and for Pedroia as we speak.
runoff with obama.
Pedroia is a really good pick, but I still wanted him to lose. I root for awards like I root for teams: even if mine isn't the best, I still want them to win.
And then there is Jason Bartlett fifth.
Yeah, but both 2nd place finishers would have been bad picks, so it's just baby steps.
OK, so there's still a lot of work to do.
He still did way better than I expected.
(Morneau should have won, or at the very least have been closer)
The real jobbing was Cliff Lee. 12th place?
Oh, man, and Halladay didn't get any votes at all. Those two would have been first and second on my ballot.
Carlos Pena: Most Valuable Ray!
I'd start with the green background.
C'mon on now. It's a more pleasing shade, at least.
2,633 consecutive games?
I didn't know Jeff Lescher was a Primate. His old bass player is a good friend of mine.
I know it's an overrated position, but if you're going to pick a closer out of that group and don't go with K-Rod, you're an idiot.
Much better than in '06, where he finished 13th or thereabouts?
E: 6th.
I'll be $10 this was a mistake by the voter.
What's not to get? An 8th place vote isn't going to affect the balloting, and Mussina won 20 games for the first time in his career. A Baltimore (or I guess maybe NY) writer decided to give him a shoutout.
Christ...for a second there I thought you meant he'd finished fifth.
The biggest difference between the IBA and BBWAA AL MVP results this year: Roy Halladay was 10th in IBA voting this year and was named on approximately half the ballots. Halladay, however, did not appear on a single BBWAA MVP ballot.
Why? Isn't that what the Cy Young Award is for?
Because, in my opinion, those two contributed more value to their teams than any other AL players this year.
The Cy Young is for the best pitcher. The MVP is for the best player (and player includes pitchers).
(Roughly speaking on the "best" part)
Yeah. I think Morneau doing so well is proof of this.
Option J?
I also think that, as the IBA has become more popular, the voters there don't have quite as much of a sabermetric bent as they once had.
I guess I "get" it in the sense of the voter consciously voting for the undeserving, but in what way could you legitimately vote for Mussina ahead of Halladay, if you're going to vote for a pitcher?
Still, I would have preferred Mauer for MVP.
If the commenters on the Dallas Morning News Rangers blog are accurate, that would be Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News. If you've read any of his columns, you'd understand.
Pitcher B: 20-11
Who is more valuable? I think it's pretty obvious.
Why?
Grant gave his 1st place vote to Youkilis, which is at least defensible. Can't defend leaving Pedroia off the ballot entirely.
Your all saves, all corner slugger (plus Bartlett for D) team!!
K-Rod, Quentin, Pena, Morneau, Bartlett, Cabrera, Youkilis, Dye*, Guerrero, Ibanez
*I'm tempted to say Moose, but you could make a case he was the 8th most valuable player in the AL last year as long as Lee and Halladay are ahead of him.
That may be be the best joke I see all day. Though if that is serious, then you need to run (not walk) to a respectable baseball website, and do some studying.
How does that work? Hanging chads or something? How can a voter accidentally vote for someone?
Pitcher B. He left fewer games in the hands of the bullpen. Don't want to overwork those guys.
Hmm, tough call...
They'll have to wait until his defense collapses first.
That's not in the Stats That Really Matter.
Where've you been?!?
Has someone ever gotten votes in both leagues before?
I feel bad for the guy who voted Pena 3rd. Everyone knows Bartlett was the team MVP.
1980. The Royals had Brett (1st) and Willie Wilson (4th), while the Yankees had Reggie (2nd) and Goose (3rd).
But then you'd have to leave off Ibanez. No, sorry. It's just not worth it.
I've got a month's rent that says it's not serious.
Won't anyone think of his children?!?!?
Sometimes it's best not to ask. See also: Screw the pooch.
So, pitchers are should be considered for both of the major awards, but positional players for just one? That doesn't make much sense. Cy Young for pitchers and MVP for positional players.
Same place as "fell off a cliff."
1980. The Royals had Brett (1st) and Willie Wilson (4th), while the Yankees had Reggie (2nd) and Goose (3rd).
Thank you!
Baseball Prospectus?
-From "This will eat your heart out.", suggesting that the recipient of the taunt will have their heart, the core of their being, eaten out with desire, bitterness, or pain.
-From the 16th century "to eat one's own heart" (to suffer in silence from anguish or grief), possibly from the Bible "to eat one's own flesh" (to be lazy)
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/eat_your_heart_out?rdfrom=Eat_your_heart_out
let me be the first to predict dusty as '09's cy young winner
Carew was a first baseman by 1977. The last AL 2B to win was Nellie Fox in 1959.
Carew played 151 games at 1B that year with only 4 at 2nd. He was a first baseman.
Yup, me too. Mauer 3rd. Pedroia 5th. Morneau not on ballot.
And Jason Bartlett would simply have the MVP trophy named after him to honor his excellence.
The Cy Young is a subset of the MVP, meant to reward the guy who pitched the best, just like the Gold Gloves are ostensibly meant to reward the best fielders, and the Hank Aaron Award the best hitters. It's not the pitchers' fault nobody pays attention to the Hank Aaron Award.
No one should.
I didn't make the rules. Under the definitions of the awards, pitchers are eligible for the MVP award, and thus should be considered.
He's a little guy with a big, ugly swing who has uncharacteristically good contact skills. He's so unique in his basic skill profile that I think you have to throw the book out when it comes to predicting greatness.
I would have voted Mauer, but since most reporters, like me, are scrappy little bastards, of course we voted for one of our own.
Add in Cerone at 7 and Quiz at 8, just to complete the KC / NYY dominance in that year's vote.
Hard to say. I'm surprised he hit 17 HR and stole 20 bases this year, so who knows what else he can do.
Did he leave? Or was he banned? And if so, what got him banned?
In my mind, Cliff Lee was easily the most valuable player in the AL. Halladay was in the top 5 as well. None of the position players really stand out, so it's ridiculous the lack of support those two got. Just ridiculous. How many of the guys on this list would you not trade their seasons for Halladay's or Lee's? Come the #### on.
Yes. He emailed me to tell me. He said I could tell other guys, so I haev posted it a couple of times so folks here know.
Yes. But it expired on 11/10. Hr says he has decided not to come back. The fact that he has not posted on the Dustin Pedroia MVP thread certainly indicates that he means it.
Can't speak to that one--that is the purview of the parties involved.
Well in 3-4 years from now, as Perdoria is preparing to leave the Red Sox as a FA is when he'll learn what the Red Sox PR machine can do to him.
This has already started...I believe TBS' coverage of Pedroia in the ALCS was Jeter-esque. Between Jeter and now Pedroia I think I might just become a cricket fan.
Banned. Banishment has expired. Voluntarily hasn't come back. Too much kevin-ness, from what I gather, was the cause of original banishment.
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