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1. Tim Stauffer, Trot Nixon's Coming (Dan Lee) Posted: February 07, 2012 at 07:59 AM (#4055272)Yeah, it's awful the way the Dodgers have only played in two of the past four NL Championship Series. It's unconscionable that MLB would ask people to pay money for that.
Also, I watch baseball because classical ballet bores me.
Not to mention the best pitcher they could scrounge up is Clayton Kershaw. Call me when that team gets some REAL talent.
Because the Highlanders won't move to NY for another 20 years or so?
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYP/?mobile=false
This guy's never even heard of complete sentences.
I also thought Chicago had two teams, but if his exhaustive research didn't confirm it, I just don't believe it.
I made the mistake of clicking through. Oh, my.
Yeah, but they haven't had a winning record since 2011!
eat me
Racist!
BASN is losing its touch.
That doesn't change the fact that he is more wrong than right. Given that MLB is a zero sum game on the field it is almost impossible for all 30 teams to be thriving. The business as a whole seems to be succeeding and his claim that MLB is "has slipped to the number four slot in major sports" is just spectacularly wrong.
The A's are a legitimate concern. The Dodgers and Mets have inherent advantages that should allow them, with competent, non-crooked ownership, to improve their status fairly quickly.
Except for the 2.9 million who didn't.
If that constitutes people "staying away", what are the 19 teams below them going to do? Is there a Groupon for MLB payroll?
Reminds me of the NHL standings. Hockey separates "losses in regulation" from "overtime/shootout losses". So a quick look at 8th place (last playoff spot) Minnesota shows them at 25-19, but with their OT losses they are in reality 25-27. Only one team (Columbus) appears to be more than 6 games under-500.
Also, wins aren't separated out... so 11 teams are 11+ games over-500.
The Dodgers lost over half a million in attendance from one year. People stayed away. And the place to get cheap tickets is stubhub, duh.
but it had nothing to do with the Dodgers fielding a minor league team, it had to do with a ton of other issues surrounding the team.
Eckstein's First Rule of Entropy: No matter how popular baseball is, it's always getting less popular at any given moment in time. (dB/dt < 0 for -?<t<?)
".....and all the players are above average"
The Guy Noir's?
Yep. They never even tried, rotten A's. If they'd just offer guys like Beltre, Furcal, etc contracts, it would change EVERYTHING. It has everything to do with the owner, nothing AT ALL to do with the shitty city, the inability to draw FA's and Fans alike or any other factors. It is 100% the owner trying to destroy the team.
(Conspiracy theries get old when they hold absolutely NO water....)
Reminds me of the NHL standings. Hockey separates "losses in regulation" from "overtime/shootout losses". So a quick look at 8th place (last playoff spot) Minnesota shows them at 25-19, but with their OT losses they are in reality 25-27. Only one team (Columbus) appears to be more than 6 games under-500.
Also, wins aren't separated out... so 11 teams are 11+ games over-500.
Let's do that for games that go extra innings!
Just Manny being Gone-y
But they play Vin Scully in the latrines of Dodger Stadium!
Yes, there was a brutal, very well publicized assault on opening day in the parking lot, with it getting publicity all season long. That wasn't the only cause of the attendance dip - but it was a major cause of it. Add in the ownership saga and that would explain the dip.
Since Oakland got a franchise:
Oakland - 6 WS appearances
Mets - 4
Dodgers - 5
Edit: can't believe I forgot one.
That 2.9 million in attendance was paid attendance. Much of that were tickets being snatched up by those anticipitating a strong secondary market when single games went on sale. That market absolutely collapsed. By the end of the season, the Dodgers were up to 65-75% no show rates. Sure, the Dodgers received the money from those intial sales, but lost out on concessions and parking. Most importantly, the steep decline in people actually going to the games is a better indicator of future sales. Season ticket drops for 2012 have been steep.
It most certainly had a lot to do with the mediocre team on the field -- sure, there were other extrinsic fators -- the McCourt divorce and the Stow beating, but the team tanked early, and people stayed away. Had the Dodgers been playing well, much of the McCourt fiasco would have been ignored in terms of showing up art the park.
I mean now we know that Dee Gordon would be a useful player, that Kershaw would take the next step forward and that Kemp would be the best position player in the NL. But it's not hard to imagine a scenario where they're Mariners South is it?
I'd have been surprised if they hadn't taken an attendance hit.
i offered you a free ticket to go to a game and you stood me up! this was your fault!
;)
Plus, the team was ungodly boring the first half.
and your ace pitcher is j happ
cain't wait - the dodgers are gonna look like the 06 cards compared to us
Obviously the team's mediocrity and boringness had something to do with the attendance drop, but the Dodgers DID finish over .500 with a better record and higher finish than they had in 3 of the previous 6 years (including 2010). But they never had an attendance drop this big. So I'm not sure how much the on-field mediocrity had to do with it.
The Dodgers are going to win one more game than the Astros?
I believe it's commonly referred to as "the new CBA."
I though the NL only counted actual clicks of the turnstile in recording attendance. Is that no longer the case?
Baseball still does not get it and with these three struggling teams they never will. Remember the Kansas City Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates are still climbing out of the cellars of both leagues. Without the help of MLB. Royal and Pirate fans have had to endure 30 or more years of sub par baseball. Now MLB has added three more teams to this list.
I remember how awful the Royals were in the 1980s. It reminds me of how bad the Pirates were in the early 1990s.
However, this part makes me want to subscribe to his newsletter:
Bud Selig, Number 31, the Commissioner of Baseball, received a two year extension on his contract. This permits another two years of owners granting their own selfish wishes.
Marginal attendance is pretty much all about the bandwagon fans. Maybe these guys will want to come out this year to see Kemp or Kershaw (color me doubtful. Very few players have a significant impact on attendance beyond their contribution to team wins. You can pitch a player successfully if the team's successful but a promotion that boils down to, "We're nothing special but come and watch Matt Kemp" isn't likely to work all that well.), but they had no real reason to be optimistic about Kemp going into 2011.
The other thing to note is that not all wins are created equal. There's very little difference in terms of revenue or attendance between 80 or 82 wins. In terms of either revenue or attendance one extra nice day is probably worth more than those 2 wins. (Yeah, I know. It Never Rains In Southern California)
Maybe during the season that is the case. However, off-season free agent signings would seem to affect advance ticket sales greatly.
Brilliant.
I would imagine that as far as attendance goes, the distribution of those wins is also important. In 2010, the Dodgers were 12 games over .500 in June (building and maintaining a sense of optimism for the first few months) then fell to their eventual landing spot, while the 2011 Dodgers were 14 games below .500 in July, then rallied to 82 wins. The former scenario has got to be better for attendance than the latter.
#51 Plausible. It does make intuitive sense that the play in the early part of the season should carry disproportionate weight. Never broken it down that way, but I'm aware of some surprise teams who were drawing much better in the later part of the season.
Takes a while for the bandwagon fans to get on board -- and no time at all for them to leave.
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