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Sunday, August 07, 2011
I don’t have time to wade through these excerpts. On Sunday…Brother Claude Ely must come first!!
A-Rod irritated the other players because he was so high-maintenance. He required his personal assistant to position his toothbrush on a certain part of the sink, specifically the edge near the right-hand cold water tap, leaning with bristles up over the basin. The first time he ordered me to do this, I couldn’t believe my ears when he said, “And put some toothpaste on it.”
Probably the strangest thing we had to do for A-Rod was lay his clothes out on the table so he could get dressed. You had to lay out these items in a predetermined order: socks at the head of the table, followed by undershorts, undershirt, shirt, pants, and then shoes. I had to carry his clothes from his locker to the trainer’s room, where he liked to get dressed away from the prying eyes of the media.
A-Rod was different in another, childish way that made players laugh behind his back. When you watch games at home you sometimes see players come into the dugout after they hit a home run. If you’ve ever wondered what they’re saying, it’s usually things like “Way to go!” or “Good job!” Not A-Rod. After he hits a home run, he comes into the dugout and brags about it. Usually he’s speaking Spanish to one of the other Latino players, and if he hit a home run he wouldn’t shut up. “Wow, did you see I hit a home run?” he’d say. “That pitcher threw me a ball right over the plate and I smashed it over the fence. Did you ever see anything like that before?”
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"His preference was for women who had a nice smile and personality."
One of the hallmarks of stories made up by stupid people is a wild lack of verisimilitude.
That's what I thought too when I read that. But I think stupid is a little harsh. He's still a little on the youngish side and I'm sure he had to clean them up some so the quotes he manufactures come off a little stilted.
Is the batboys real name Tom Batiuk?
How about eyebrows?
Where are you supposed to lay the clothes that go on the horse section?
Where the hell is Sparky Lyle when you need him? The Yankees should hire him as a "special assistant" or dig him up if he's passed on. Sparky would take one look at this and take a dump on Roddy's special toothbrush. As well he should.
edit: "How about eyebrows?" What did I miss--was Jeter dating overplucked women?
You're right: A-Rod definitely doesn't strike me as a genius, though I don't think he's anywhere nearly as slack-jawed, slope-browed an idiot as, say, Jonathan "French for 'Knuckle-dragger'" Papelbon.
Let's just say that he & Tony Womack were realllllllly close.
Wow, did you see how I purse slapped Schilling when he got in my way, and the ball came out of his glove!! When Skip says go hard into every base, that's just what he means! Did you see that!?!?
Odd. No one's ever said anything to me. I don't intentionally try to dodge it, but i have a good idea about some words that might slip through.
Arroyo.
Not to A-Rod. He doesn't mingle with the help.
If A-Rod paid this kid to do these things, I don't see the problem either. If he stiffed the kid, or paid the same amount as everyone else, it's kinda dickish, but if he pays extra for extra service . . . what in the world is wrong with that?
People who make otherworldly amounts of money are just different from the rest of us. That's just how it is. What's the number; 30% of CEOs would be diagnosed as sociopaths? To some extent, you need to be a bit crazy in order to rise to the top of an entertainment profession like baseball.
I won't argue that Rod appears to be really, really strange. But Ivan Rodriguez famously has a statue of himself on his property.
Baseball has been sorely lacking in star lunacy since the retirement of Clemens. Our writers are just doing the best they can with what they've got, and what they've got is a magnificently talented, socially inept nerd.
I assume that's a typo for 100%.
I think we're going to look back in 30 years and realize that one of the world's great eccentrics was the biggest superstar in the game for a decade, and no one truly appreciated it at the time.
...and I took these tips to mean, "Someday, please share the personal details of my life with the world."
Almost as if he was the highest payed player in the league.
I can see this reaction from somebody who's never hit a homerun anywhere before, suddenly having his mind switched into A-Rod's body with all the A-Rod skills intact. It would be quite the amazing feeling. After the 630th time or so, I think it would feel a bit more routine.
Reading quotes like that make me strongly question the accuracy of the source.
Not sure I believe that Clemens knows what a tip is. He had a bad rep while a young player in Boston. He once tipped a guy I knew 10 cents on a 19.90 cent cab ride.
LOL, that's pretty awesome.
Yeah, light yourself on fire! What a #########!
If that is F'd-up, I don't want to be not F'd-up.
A-Rod appears to have been nothing but nice to him, and this Castillo guy turns around and trashes him. What a scumbag.
Edit: coke to Shock.
Yeah, I tend to suspect that all that stuff is not the slightest bit unusual. (And that the batboy is 100% aware of that, but also knows that the story people want to buy is Jeter = noble knight and A-Rod = prima donna.)
(BTW, can't wait until "Torre was playing the horses during games" becomes as big a story as "A-Rod plays poker." That's gonna happen, right?)
This was no earlier than A-Rod's 11th year as a major leaguer, so I can't accept that excuse. I do agree that if he acknowledged and fixed the problem, he at least did the right thing eventually -- spinning that against him isn't fair. (Of course, that's easy for me to say when I'm not the guy who feels like he was shortchanged thousands of dollars.)
Re: $200 in the pocket story: I think what we're supposed to take away from it is that A-Rod was bribing Castillo to keep quiet about his trysts. Of course, Castillo apparently kept the money, and yet we're reading this now. And of course, when Jeter acts sleazy, it's not really sleazy because he's interested in the girls for their personalities, and like Jane Lynch in The 40-Year-Old Virgin, he's "very discreet". Ehh, it's all baloney.
Posts #20 and #21 were good.
That is a good one -- probably even better than Yogi Berra's "Hello, Pope." The Steinbrenner stories were amusing also, very Seinfeld. (It's truly amazing how, behind closed doors, everyone is... exactly the way their public stereotype would suggest!) Still, it's hard for me to believe anyone would buy an entire book of this.
I'm not sure how to separate the fact from the fiction, but who cares? It's entertaining and basically harmless gossip, since there's not a single thing in there that isn't a variant of something we've already heard from plenty of other sources. And it's not as if anything in there is going to alter anyone's opinion of any named player, unless it's some 8 year old whose first non-hagiographic exposure to his heroes happens to be today's New York Post.
It's pretty evident that Clemens doesn't know what most things are. He seems at least as stupid as Papelbon, assuming that's possible. Those cretins probably paid the clubhouse guys to remind them to breathe.
I have to agree, it's funny he goes all out to make Arod appear to be a bad guy, but seems to be fawning over Jeter who he basically claims is a complete and utter man whore. (I mean he says that Jeter liked personality but then makes no mentions of Jeter talking to the girls, and instead using a middle man to bag the girls)
Hey, Luis Castillo really dropped the ball on that one..ah ah ah.
I have to agree, it does seem entertaining, it's clear this person has a particular viewpoint that seems intent on lionizing Jeter and denigrating Arod, but so what. I still don't get the Jeter as a man-whore actions are examples of him as a good person, or even an admirable person, but the wording from the article makes it seem like this is what the guy(squeege) thought of him.
Yeah, Clemens seems like quite the idiot. Which amazes me that he was able to pitch so long and so well after his stuff went from otherworldly to merely good. The fastball in his later years was seldom better than 91-93.
I don't know, but isn't it possible that A-Rod was the highest tipper on the Rangers at $1200? If $1200 had always been enough to take care of your guys up until you got to NYC, that seems to me to be realistic.
Let me repeat that if I were handed a ####### $1,200 tip, I wouldn't bad mouth a guy. Money should buy that at least.
That's why you have to use TIL (tipping independent location).
Then again, the same can be said for my only slightly more extensive encounters with Jeter.
I do have reason to believe they could run circles around A-Rod, however.
Look, they're ballplayers, and not a lot - if anything - more.
I think you give too many people too much credit for being set in their opinions.
Agreed.
OTOH, maybe it is typical for these guys to get and keep other cush jobs with the Yanks or other connections established in those days. That would motivate them to keep quiet.
Sure, and when they do stupid #### they should be called out and embarrassed for it. God. We need a couple of Brits in this thread. Their disprespect for wealth and ostentation is at times awe-inspiring.
And if I lived nearby I'd gather a raiding party and paint it appropriately.
On my first reading of this I took it to mean Alex would have his trainer tell girls Jeter was interested in them, then Alex would go wait outside for them.
That version was definitely funnier.
On my first reading I was the same way(I read a quote from one of the comments on here, it wasn't until I read the article that I figured out it was Jeter who was sending his trainer to pick up chicks)
We have evolved to the point where mens rooms attendants should all be unemployed? I'm sure they'll appreciate it. I'm guessing maids and valets are next in the unemployment line.
Personally I'm such a neanderthal I enjoy being handed stuff by a mens room attendant, to the point of tipping them.
Jeter is well know for having 3rd parties arrange his booty calls in extremely impersonal ways. Howard Stern has told a story he heard from some (obviously super hot) girl about how she'll get the call, go up to his condo, perform the act, then Derek will have her escorted out and driven home. It sounds as if he treats regular dates as impersonally as prostitutes, but the most surprising part is none ever seem complain about it.
In A-Rod's case, when he's shown himself to be a little loony, it's hard to know what stories to believe. He's an easy guy to make up stories about, because there is already more than enough evidence that they are likely to be true.
(And yup, the SoSH story was the same.)
Hot as hell, ain't it prez?
There are different kinds of intelligence.
(edited to fix bad cut-paste)
; )
Take it easy. You guys are making me feel like I'm strange for having commissioned a portrait of myself as a 19th century baseball playing fox. The best part is it's the first hit if you do a google image search of my name! At least I've got cfb on my side.
You do realize that this manages the trick of being both profoundly condescending and ludicrously simple-minded, right?
Couldn't swear to it, but I don't believe I've ever been in an establishment that employed such an unfortunate individual. Unlike (apparently) some here, I'm not much for hoity-toity garbage ... though maybe that's just sour grapes over not traveling in socioeconomic circles where having someone do everything short of wiping my ass for me is really an option. Lucky, lucky ValueArbitrageur.
It's the BBTF daily double!
As bizarre as this sounds to you and me, isn't there a significant legal difference? If the encounter goes badly, this way she'll have a lot of trouble asserting "coersion" if she came of her own free will with the involvement of a third party.
I admit that my gut reaction is that the "bad woman uses sexual wiles to trap athlete with feet of clay" story smacks of misogeny, but how much could it hurt to nip it in the bud?
What's funny is that if the roles were reversed, Jeter would be lauded for being professional and respectful, and A-Rod would get blasted for being so casually inappropriate with the President.
Also, "but everyone still acted as if he was the commander in chief." Um, isn't that how you're supposed to treat former Presidents?
I'll do my best! With any sportsman it's a good default position to assume they are all just overgrown man-children with deep pockets and as a result have the spending habits of the kid from the film "Blank Cheque" combined with the self-awareness, emotional and behavioral maturity of a toaster oven.
Also if someone is wealthy enough and have the personality to desire they can afford to surround themselves with people whose only function is to blow smoke up their arses twenty-four hours a day which can lead to a very warped world view and unwarranted self-regard for their own often very limited abilities.
[quoteCouldn't swear to it, but I don't believe I've ever been in an establishment that employed such an unfortunate individual. Unlike (apparently) some here, I'm not much for hoity-toity garbage ... though maybe that's just sour grapes over not traveling in socioeconomic circles where having someone do everything short of wiping my ass for me is really an option. Lucky, lucky ValueArbitrageur.
You get these shitgibbons in a lot of London clubs and I don't think anyone likes them. Their main function appears to be to con money out of you; first when you walk into the club and get charged a "premium" entry fee and then a second time when you want to take a piss and some arseweasel in a tuxedo is spraying liquid soap at you like an overexcited male porn star and then demanding a tip.
Very true. Joe Morgan as a player seemed like an absolute genius. Then he went into the booth and put that idea to rest. Lenny Dykstra had great baseball IQ. Not so much off the field.
After slugging .267 as a defensive liability for the 2010 Mets, I don't think he was going to get another job anyway.
This should be his HOF plaque. Bill James has written that over time the memories of a player will fade but the statistics remain unchanged. I don't want my great-grandchildren to go to Cooperstown and only see that he was a hitter who had 3000+ hits, 700+ homers, and 2000+ RBI. I want them to see the full experience of weirdness that was A-Rod's career. And the Centaur will go a long way in getting the point across.
So. Jealous. I'm going to have to have one done of me being a baseball playing Hydra batting against Hercules (total PED user).
Also, the more A-rod gets slagged the more I'm curiously growing to like him. He's such an odd, odd fellow.
He's the 21st Centaury Schizoid Man
Yes, and we massively disrespect both their wealth and their ostenteity . . . ostentaciousness . . . I'll get back to you.
My favourite story about wealthy out-of-touchness is also toothpaste-related. It's the aristocrat who, having lived his whole life with butlers and footservants, went to stay with his daughter's family for a weekend. He was found at the top of the stairs his first morning, asking what was wrong with his toothpaste - it wasn't foaming. He hadn't realised that it didn't come pre-foamed; his servants had always done it for him. (How, I'm not sure.)
But 'new money' is disrespected at least as much as 'old money', so A-Rod would get plenty of grief. Hypocritically, we also like to attack those who don't know how to enjoy new-found wealth, like the lottery winners who go back to work the next week, or Wayne Rooney sleeping with less than world-class prostitutes.
It's just a nation sustained by snark, more or less.
You guys are making me feel like I'm strange for having commissioned a portrait of myself as a 19th century baseball playing fox.
Since BBTF posters are always willing to give the benefit of the doubt, I doubt anyone found that to be at all odd. Most folks probably just assumed that a more realistic portrait would too closely resemble Don Mossi.
Even as a red sox fan, I 2nd #75. I've got a few truly peculiar friends. Sometimes they honestly don't realize they're doing something odd until they are called on it. If they also got crap for having pretty girls feed them popcorn, well, that's just not right.
. . . unless one of them happens to be getting married.
Actually he won the eletion because he was a Scanner.
Well, actually, some of us tried to remain consistent even then, but the media coverage didn't really reflect that. Still, cheers for the Bank Holiday, toffs! I liked the line from Dara O'Briain: "The wedding date of William and Kate happens to be the anniversary of the wedding of Adolf Hitler and Eva Braun. So at least Harry will know what to wear."
Shame it cost us a billion; we could really have used that. (Estimated financial boost from the wedding: £650m. Estimated cost of additional bank holiday: £1.6bn. Awesome.)
I am in full agreement with #75. ARod sounds like a douche and probably not someone I would choose as a friend, but damn he gets criticized a lot.
IIRC, Nobel physicist Richard Feynman commissioned a full-length nude portrait of himself. At least Rodriguez's portrait leaves whether he was gelded to the imagination.
When I was in Chennai (gosh, 18 years ago this month and it was still Madras), our hotel had this kid of maybe 15 "operating" the elevator about 16 hours a day. Operating meant he would push the button for the floor for you. And of course, we had to tip. I started walking up the 4 flights because I was so uncomfortable and it was against an ingrained sense of being self-sufficient.
Oh, aren't you grand! So, when they wipe your ass for you, what do you give them? Seriously, you think that someone should spend the bulk of eight hours a day in a small room full of toilets, smelling piss and ####, so clucks like you don't have to pull your own towels from a dispenser? When nanny's not around to powder your bottom, I take it you burst into tears?
You're beyond human aid.
Makes sense to me.
Beats working at a big hog farm.
wow, take me back to 1985.
this book really opened my eyes to the idea that a person could be both serious and ... a character. Sort of the Babe Ruth of physicists, love the Carneval stories, a true bon vivant:
http://www.amazon.com/Surely-Feynman-Adventures-Curious-Character/dp/0393316041
And to conclude this post, I am required to note that all of this has happened before.
They'll wipe my arse for me?!? Good god man, I must not have been tipping enough!
I've gone to public restrooms with attendants at nice hotels, night clubs, and even mid level strip clubs, places that might even allow you in. Typically the attendant is an older man, sometimes handicapped, often African American. They'll have a tray of mints, cologne, gum, as well as hand towels to offer. Besides overtipping them, I also degrade them by making small talk because a man of my status is not always comfortable with men of theirs.
But now that you made me realize the error of my ways, I'm flummoxed by what I should do next time I walk into a public restroom and find a man with a tray of sundries. Should I
a) Turn around and relieve my raging bladder in shrubbery or a decanter of some sort?
b) ask young lady in the champagne room if she was ever lucky enough to be a recipient of a royal shower from a better?
c) Organise a boycott of these infernal places among the landed gentry, and demand these trolls be replaced by proper public bidets?
d) barge into the toilet and accost the swarthy Negro, and demand he quit his layabout ways and drag his crippled limb out of the establishment to find a proper job!?
Seriously?
Feynman had a love for strip clubs and spent more time there than he did his office (as per one of his books), but I've never heard this. Google doesn't turn up any results either, so the skeptic in me doubts it while the prurient wants to know more.
e) Inform the bathroom attendant that his work is degrading, for the purpose of encouraging him to do something else with his life, such as restarting his medical practice. Then let him know that you won't be giving him a tip, because it would only be insulting to him. Feel free to partake in the breath mints, though.
I should also point out that many bathroom attendants are held against their will, relying on leftover mints and candy for sustenance. They don't even get to keep their tips, though they have no use for money, as they are not allowed to leave their bathroom, under penalty of catapult. As much as I appreciate not having to touch the sink handle, I do not approve of this practice.
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