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If the umpires felt Beckett threw at him intentionally, they should have ejected Beckett. And when they made the determination that he did not (as they must have, otherwise he'd have been thrown out of the game) they should have exercised a greater degree of tolerance for the (understandable) chirping from Angels players.
This is a bit steep, although with starters the problem is to get them to miss 1 start you have to do at least 5 games. But for the guys who actually were thrown out to get nada, zip, nothing is insane, I'm sorry. Watson must still be taking calls from the Steinbrenners, I guess.
This has all the earmarks of Watson wanting to throw the hammer down early in the season to try to keep things in line. If I were Beckett, I'd appeal, and then get my agent to sift through archives of pitchers throwing balls home after time was called, to show that Beckett's throw wasn't necessarily out of line with other types of balls thrown in similar circumstances.
I would have suggested having Beckett wear a huge "D" indicating ######### on his uniform for the remainder of the season. However, increasingly, the Red Sox uniform itself is clear enough.
Did they DO anything to merit a suspension?
Yawn.
The umpires do not have a chance to review video while they are trying to maintain order on the field. I did not realize how close the pitch was to Abreu's head until I saw the replays.
Good luck. He might want to invest in a CGI expert as well.
Have you seen anything from other than the CF angle? I watched it over and over and can't figure out exactly how high the pitch was when it sailed past home plate.
Right? The whole point of this sort of league review is for them to have it both ways. They seem to have decided that Beckett did something malicious and intentional and that the umpires made an error in not recognizing it. Since they're misdeeds of entirely different intentions and magnitudes, it follows pretty cleanly that the former was worth a suspension and the last one was (probably) worthy of a private admonishment to do better next time.
Nice to see the dissolution of AL & NL-specific umps is finally paying dividends.
It was pretty much right next to his head. It was within inches.
I am a little surprised by the lack of suspension for Torii and disappointed in the lack of suspension for Speier (I was hoping for 156 games there). Given that Hunter was reacting to Joe West when he went off ... hmm. It doesn't seem like MLB is really backing up the umps here.
Except that wasn't the only reason he was disciplined:
Isn't umpire discipline usually conducted much more out of the public eye? With their schedules, would anyone even notice if they'd been suspended?
So you saw it from another angle, or were you just able to ID its location better than I was?
I was watching live, so there were other angles. But I thought the normal CF angle showed it to be pretty close.
But again, I'd like to thank Joe West for leaving him in the game. Sox probably would have won if Beckett had been kicked out before getting slapped around.
I was hampered by watching it mostly online. But I never could get a very good read on just how high it was when it crossed the plate.
Well, Torii is known around the league to be an all-out classy guy.
This is exactly how I see it. I saw the pitch live and several times on replay. The umps got together and appeared to decide that, at the least, it is in question as to whether Beckett knew where his pitch was going, since they called time just as he started his windup.
I could see ejecting Beckett for that pitch. But a suspension? Ridiculous. This is one of those incidents where MLB is playing damage control at a team's expense.
Heck, Hunter bumped the ump a little bit--but wasn't suspended. To me, that's proof of hypocrisy and/or placation.
You know, I came here from the ESPN boards because I wanted to avoid pedantic #### like this.
The ball went just over Abreu's head. It looks like it would've have at least grazed his helmet if he hadn't ducked.
The umpire did issue a warning to Beckett. He defended himself in the postgame comments by saying that both sides were mad at him because he had issued Beckett a warning and charged the Red Sox with a mound visit.
I think the word you're looking for is puerile. And maybe douche-baggy.
I would have suggested having Beckett wear a huge "D" indicating ######### on his uniform for the remainder of the season. However, increasingly, the Red Sox uniform itself is clear enough.
Thanks for your input.
Aw, you're the best! Never change, okay?
The suspension also covers his post-pitch behavior.
Why can't we discuss whether the suspension is merited, instead of acting like schoolboys?
Dude, this is actual baseball news.
A top player being suspended for 6 games is quite worthy of discussion, thinking fan or not.
For example, how could anyone screw up the sadness and sympathy we all felt over Nick Adenhart's death? Here's how: the Rev went AND PUBLISHED THE HOME ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER OF GALLO'S PARENTS ON HIS HEAVILY TRAFFICKED BLOG and suggested that Angels fans go visit and torment them for their "reluctance to comment to the press," of all things. Even his own commenters on Halos Heaven couldn't believe it, and kept begging him to take the info down. Jesus, what living scum.
Because these threads are more about the heart than the mind. They're almost as bad as Game Chatters. I've been reading Tango's blog more often lately. This place is turning into Deadspin. And you can tell The Jim that I said that.
Really? Do players get ejected for doing such things, typically?
I think maybe Beckett doesn't appeal, and they take the suspension ASAP... and give Buccholz a start to cover the spot. Does the timing work out? They play a stretch of games from April 24th to May 10th without an off day, and they might this resolved before then. Thoughts?
Wait, Halofan did that? That's ###### up.
Yawn.
Fatigue is a common symptom of Seasonal Affective Disorder, the depression caused by living in a part of the country with miserable Spring weather (and filled with miserable people).
Start popping Prozac. Then even Varitek's swing will look good.
This makes sense.
"Off the dirt" might be a bit much, but I would expect a batter walking the same distance towards a pitcher after being hit to be ejected.
Really? Seriously? That might be illegal in some way, yes?
Writing about Bowie Kuhn would make me a grouch, too.
But again, I'm certainly glad they left him in.
Not a good human being.
The timing would appear to work out. The Red Sox org might just decide to let bygones be bygones and recommend Beckett serve his suspension.
I suppose another way to look at it is, if MLB doesn't suspend Beckett, there's probably a brawl the next time the two clubs meet.
Worse. It's tax season. Folks, keep your 1099s. It will make your life and my life easier.
Heh. I hear you on 1099s. Don't use them now, but have.
I don't think he should have posted that item, and am glad he took it down. He made a mistake (in my view). That doesn't make him a bad person.
I don't think that could be illegal unless he made some sort of explicit call to hurt them. Everybody's address is pretty much in public circulation, whether through the phone book or property records or whatever.
That doesn't mean it was a nice thing to do, of course, but I'm not sure it makes the blogger some sort of monster.
No, but his history of moronic and trollish posts at this site does make me wonder why otherwise intelligent Angel fans continue to defend him. Deferring to members of the cloth, I guess.
Halofan did not hurt anybody. He did not kill anybody. He did not steal from anybody or rape anybody or beat anybody. He posted a bit of information that was printed in a newspaper. I believe he showed bad judgment. He seems to agree, given that he took down the post. I see no reason to toss him aside as a person because of a mistake.
Also, the allegedly weaselly follow-up was written by someone else, and was more of a response than a follow-up.
True. Chalk it up to a bit of irrationality on my own part.
Well, TIME had been called. And afterward Beckett walked around instigating things, which is what Watson meant by "aggressive actions."
No, he didn't. You can still read the post in Google's cache. He commented that the residents of the house should take down some identifying decorations. He also referred to Gallo's parents as "cowardly", with which I do not agree.
I met Halofan, along with some other members of the Halosphere, on one occasion. He was a good guy, gregarious, and I did not regret spending time with him. He is definitely an emotional guy in his postings, more id than superego. I don't always agree with him, which is fine. But if someone wants to say he's a bad person, I'm not sure that calling his posts "moronic" or "trollish" is really going to persuade me. He's just a passionate guy about his team.
I have no idea whether he's a good guy or a bad guy, and don't particularly care. I just wonder why BTF's other Angel fans don't seem to notice that his behavior at this site is kind of Kevinish.
Seeing as Andrew Gallo will not face the death penalty, we will have to accept this as justice. Hope Becky doesn't win her appeal.
If anything it completely trivializes Adenhart's death by connecting it to Beckett's behavior and calling the its punishment "justice". I would recommend he take a step back from baseball and the Angels so that he can realize that Nick's death was tragic, not because he happened to be a pitcher for Halofan's favorite team, but because he was a living, breathing, emotional human being whose life was far, far more than being just a guy in an Angels uniform.
hey, let's not insult kevin! Anyway, kevin's longerthreader aptitude grated on people as much as his content. Halofan just hits and runs.
This is funny since I'm not living in New England at the moment, even though your typical boring anti-Red Sox comment indicates that you assume I am.
He's just a passionate guy about his team.
On this site, it frequently seems that he's more passionate against the Red Sox than passionate for the Angels.
That is true. He never seems to stick around.
I'd basically agree with BHW on almost every word, and that night was the only time I've met either of them. Actually, I'm pretty sure Matt Welch was there, too, at an establishment that unfortunately no longer exists. He (meaning Halofan), along with others at HH continuously badmouth the work of people I consider good friends, but I know that most of it just bluster amplifying the actual critique. It's not big deal. He's pretty passionate about everything, as those who may have seen him on the Ovation network could probably attest.There's a difference?
I get 2% of the royalties.
I didn't say it was. I was merely making an observation, in much the same way you've observed that every Red Sox fan on the planet except scotto is a raging #######. That wasn't your responsiblity either, but you've certainly kept us well informed on that particular judgment call.
I'm sure it's been mentioned already, but gotten lost in the name-calling and insults: Beckett is likely being suspended for walking off the mound and escalating the situation, not for the pitch itself. It seemed that things had calmed down somewhat before he did that and worked everyone up again.
And if that's the case, why wasn't Scioscia suspended, since he walked out onto the field not once but twice, also escalating the situation?
I do think it's a good question about why there's a suspension when the umpires didn't see fit to eject Beckett from that game. The inconsistency drives me crazy.
Also, I thought it was reported Hunter bumped an ump when he lost his mind during the fracas (and said later a Boston player wasn't the guy who said something to him that set him off, so it must've been a ump). No suspension for him?
I don't think so. As AROM mentioned, the league officials have the opportunity to view the incident over and over, whereas the umpires get one shot at field level while also keeping a watchful eye over other players, the benches, etc. It's not terribly surprising that they may not mete out the proper punishment in real time.
Angels suck.
Beckett sucks.
Hunter sucks.
Joe West sucks.
Angels fans suck.
Red Sox fans suck.
I hate you all, die in a fire. thanks
No wonder he's not liked on BTF; we tend to hate small ball.
As for Beckett and Hunter, I wonder if the Angels told Watson that if Beckett weren't suspended or if Hunter was, that they'd tell the press what West said. As I said in the original thread, I think the fundamental problem here is the umpiring. A late TO, inability to corral the situation and then the HP ump evidently said something despicable. Beckett is a bit of a wild man and appeared, to me, to almost want to get thrown out of the game (did he suspect he had nothing and, therefore, an ejection gets a reliever time to warm up? conspiracy theorists want to know).
I hope West gets disciplined. I have no problem with umpire discipline being private - it's almost certainly better that it is - but I hope it does happen.
Moved to Arizona after a buy out, I believe. And thanks for the kind words, devilish Angel fans.
On first impression, I thought the ball slipped out of Beckett's hand and said as much to Shredder via email at the time. I guess I was in error.
Is that a BTF first? Someone admitting that they are wrong? Nah, I've done it before.
Go Red Sox! [/obnoxious out of town Red Sox fan]
Yeah, but he, um, was backing out of the batter's box.
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