Dear everybody,
Very often a baseball team announces an attendance for a game that seems way higher than the number of people who are actually at the game. I realize this is funny or strange or concerning to you, so you note it in your blog or newspaper column or talk-radio monologue. But for better or worse, Major League teams announce the paid attendance at games — the number of tickets sold, not the number of asses in seats — and have, I believe, for every game since 1992.
So if the paid attendance figure seems to have no bearing on the number of people actually in attendance at a ballgame, you can feel free to either dismiss it entirely, or note it and mention without snark that the figure represents tickets sold, as per standard baseball practice and not any conspiracy peculiar to that baseball team.
I know you’re not actually listening to me, everybody, but I wish you would because you just keep bringing up this same distinction between announced attendance and actual attendance like you’re the first person to ever notice it, when meanwhile Maury Brown wrote a whole thing last year explaining why it happens and how it’s actually worse in other sports.
Good day, and I look forward to seeing photographs of your cats.
Thanks,
Ted
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1. salvomania Posted: April 19, 2012 at 01:24 PM (#4110596)Maybe that all changed in 1992 around the time when they combined the baseballs, and combined the umps????
Didn't the umps combine after the '99 umpire strike?
Well, they are, right? They're announcing an "attendance" that includes thousands of people that didn't attend.
They're just joined in the charade by every other team.
But I don't see what the big deal is whether snarking on a big "attendance" discrepancy. As noted above, even MLB acknowledges its attendance figures are a fiction (as to attendance, not as to tickets sold).
Yeah. They played a full season in 1973 as opposed to losing a few games in 1972. It was still up 12% on a per game basis.
No official reason as to why the NL changed in 1992. Maybe they just got tired of attendance articles that didn't adjust.
There's an awful lot of sense in tracking tickets sold though. A team has limited reasons to care what you do after buying the ticket. Sure, no parking or concession money if you don't show, but they can't be sure of that money in any case.
EDIT: There's a study in Baseball and Billions on the impact of switching from tickets used to tickets sold. Can't find my copy, but as I recall it, that 12% leap in 1973 is about what should have been expected.
we are all not STUPID thank you very much. we KNOW that "attendence" means numbers of tickets sold.
however, us baseball fans are using our eyeballs to see that a very large percent of people/corporations who bought tickets are not bothering to go to the actual GAME.
you can't judge "interest" in a ballclub by tickets sold, seeing as how they are a tax deduction so saying that "attendence" is up is just a lot of corporate speak which ignores the fact that the audience is not necessarily related to the numbers of tickets sold.
So everybody else gets to pay for these tickets, which are then not used. God Bless America.
It's in TFA. Basically, this is the MLB standard and is used for revenue sharing purposes, blah blah blah.
("I" here is some hypothetical person. Can't remember the last time that I, BDC, failed to use a baseball ticket :)
So everybody else gets to pay for these tickets, which are then not used. God Bless America.
The seller (team or owners) pay taxes on the income, so it makes sense that the expense to the buyer would be tax deductible. With the 50% limit, it actually means that half the ticket price is being taxed twice. God Bless America indeed.
DB
Will this suffice?
If the tickets are being used for a business purpose. In small businesses, company season tickets can be used as a way to write off what would otherwise be a personal expense. In larger, public businesses, there is a question of proper use of company assets.
Most every dollar gets taxed every time it changes hands. People who can't write off their tickets as a business expense have almost always paid taxes on the money they used to buy those tickets. So 100% of the ticket price is being taxed twice in those cases.
So if a company pays for tickets, that is an expense that cannot be fully recognized for tax purposes when most every other expense of the company is recognized.
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