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Monday, January 13, 2014

Berg: If Alex Rodriguez used PED’s, they didn’t obviously enhance his performance

Bob Lozenge at YES Network ain’t swallowing this!

If what Bosch said is true — that Rodriguez juiced before games but his system was clear of banned substances in time for post-game tests — it obviously calls into question the effectiveness of Major League Baseball’s drug-testing program. But beyond that, it begs the question: How much did Bosch’s drugs actually help A-Rod?

Assuming Rodriguez actually tried to cheat with banned substances, he deserves to be suspended. But based on the results, it doesn’t look like whatever Rodriguez took actually helped him all that much.

Bosch said Rodriguez first came to him in late July of 2010. And maybe that timing makes sense: By OPS, Rodriguez enjoyed the best season of his career in 2007, his age-31 season, before his production slipped a bit in 2008, then again in 2009, and again in 2010.

But here’s the funny thing: A-Rod kept getting worse even while Bosch was supposedly treating him. His OPS hit a career low in 2011, then dropped again in 2012, and again in his injury-plagued 2013.

...As evidence of A-Rod’s artificially improved performance, the 60 Minutes report cited one game. One game! And to top it off, the report shows BlackBerry Messages between Bosch and Rodriguez before the day of his big, chemically enhanced double as taking place on April 3, 2012. The Yankees didn’t play an official game until April 6 of that season.

The double cited as evidence of Rodriguez’s new-found explosiveness actually came in an exhibition played between the Yankees and Marlins on April 2, 2012, as a tune-up for Marlins Park.

Alex Rodriguez is one of the best hitters of all time, regardless of what drugs he used and when. He was and is certainly good enough to muster a single extra-base hit in an meaningless game. And this particular exhibition-game double came off Carlos Zambrano, who would be out of the Marlins’ rotation by late July.

Rodriguez started struggling with his health late in the last decade, so a case could be made that performance-enhancing drugs helped him secure a consistent decline where a clean player might have plummeted out of baseball. But then, one of the long-supposed benefits of PEDs is that they helped players stay healthier and recover faster from injuries.

Rodriguez may have taken banned drugs from Tony Bosch. He just didn’t obviously benefit from them.

Repoz Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:11 PM | 26 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. AROM Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:40 PM (#4638052)
Look at A-Rod's performance in his mid 30's, and compare to Barry Bonds. Just a terrible value purchase on A-Rod's part. Bonds got stuff that worked, he got a supplier who wouldn't rat him out, and would even do jail time for Bonds.
   2. Squash Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4638057)
Just a terrible value purchase on A-Rod's part. Bonds got stuff that worked, he got a supplier who wouldn't rat him out, and would even do jail time for Bonds.

Another victory for California over Florida. Our oranges are better too. *ducks*
   3. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:47 PM (#4638058)
Bonds got stuff that worked, he got a supplier who wouldn't rat him out, and would even do jail time for Bonds.

Bonds was at least smart enough to not threaten to kill Greg Anderson; he saved that treatment for Kimberly Bell.
   4. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: January 13, 2014 at 05:48 PM (#4638063)
Look at A-Rod's performance in his 20's. I'd say that was one hell of a value purchase.
   5. AROM Posted: January 13, 2014 at 06:01 PM (#4638078)
Bonds was at least smart enough to not threaten to kill Greg Anderson


Maybe he did and was seen as a more credible threat to follow through.
   6. Davo Dozier Posted: January 13, 2014 at 06:15 PM (#4638086)
Um, this guy clearly didn't see 60 Minutes last night, or he would have learned that steroids are magical pills that make you an invincible baseball-playing He-Man (and are also completely undetectable by modern testing methods). Basically, they're completely awesome in every way--they'll let you make more money, break records, and lead your team to victory.
   7. Mark Donelson Posted: January 13, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4638114)
Basically, they're completely awesome in every way--they'll let you make more money, break records, and lead your team to victory.

As long as you remember to only use the middle of your stream. Or not to cross the streams. Or something.
   8. Jeltzandini Posted: January 13, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4638115)
What's my opinion of A-Rod's performance!?
   9. Publius Publicola Posted: January 13, 2014 at 06:51 PM (#4638124)
he got a supplier who wouldn't rat him out, and would even do jail time for Bonds.



Didn't Conte brag about being Bonds' supplier? I think so.

No, it was Patrick Arnold:

Chemist Says Sheffield and Bonds Used Drugs

Patrick Arnold, a chemist who worked with the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative, said in an HBO Sports interview that Barry Bonds and Gary Sheffield took performance-enhancing drugs provided to them by the laboratory.
   10. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: January 13, 2014 at 06:54 PM (#4638128)
My least favorite part of that very painful 60 Minutes horror show was the juvenile way they connected drugs to individual games. Take a lozenge and hit a double! It's undetectable and guaranteed to work! Why would Rodriguez take these damn things during spring training and not during the World Series?
   11. Bob Tufts Posted: January 13, 2014 at 07:00 PM (#4638134)
Supposedly A-Rod threaten to whack Bosch last October, but it was an idle threat. Everyone knows A-Rod can't hit at that time of year.
   12. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: January 13, 2014 at 07:06 PM (#4638141)
My least favorite part of that very painful 60 Minutes horror show was the juvenile way they connected drugs to individual games. Take a lozenge and hit a double! It's undetectable and guaranteed to work! Why would Rodriguez take these damn things during spring training and not during the World Series?

This is almost getting to be enough to make me want to actually watch that show. This character Bosch sounds like he should be doing the sort of "supplements" infomercials that used to pop up in the margins of BTF.
   13. Jack Keefe Posted: January 13, 2014 at 07:26 PM (#4638159)
Al let me tell you how those losinges work. These Primates scoof but Al it is on the UP and Up. You know me Al I am not always the best poof reader. But now I have a losinge and do not worry Al it is undicketcable and any way it fades before I have to report pithers and catchers next mobth Al; Waite 1 minute.

{TAKES LOSINGE}

Not the fruit of experience, but experience itself, is the end. A counted number of pulses only is given to us of a variegated, dramatic life. How may we see in them all that is to to be seen in them by the finest senses? How shall we pass most swiftly from point to point, and be present always at the fockuss where the grapest number of vittle farces unite in their purest energy. Al they only last long enough for 1 to get a hit as long as the count is not 2 deep. To burn Al ways with this hart, gem-like fame, to entertrain this suckstacy, is suckcess in life.
   14. Joey B.: posting for the kids of northeast Ohio Posted: January 13, 2014 at 08:18 PM (#4638208)
Keefe, you magnificent bastard you.
   15. silhouetted by the sea Posted: January 13, 2014 at 08:18 PM (#4638209)
If there was a hall of fame for BTF posts then #13 should go in without the 5 year wait.
   16. ThickieDon Posted: January 13, 2014 at 08:30 PM (#4638217)
Taking drugs is meaningless.

Anyone who attributes A-Rod's performance in his 20's to "roiding" should really be posting at a different website.
   17. ThickieDon Posted: January 13, 2014 at 08:30 PM (#4638218)
ESPN.com
   18. Morty Causa Posted: January 13, 2014 at 10:11 PM (#4638280)
That A-Rod's performance wasn't enhanced doesn't mean the drugs didn't keep him from deteriorating more than he "naturally" would have.

Second, like almost all other drugs and medicines, people responses vary. It seems as if Bonds is definitely on the end of the spectrum that can be designated highly responsive. But, although we are all more or less the same, we are all made according to spec, and there is variance.
   19. Cooper Nielson Posted: January 13, 2014 at 10:33 PM (#4638287)
I don't always laugh at "Jack Keefe" (though I appreciate the difficulty in pulling it off) but #13 was simply fantastic.
   20. Lassus Posted: January 13, 2014 at 10:39 PM (#4638291)
Seconded, fourthed, whatever. Brilliant.
   21. 'Spos lost the handle trying to make the transfer Posted: January 13, 2014 at 10:55 PM (#4638298)
<applauds>
   22. Poster Nutbag Posted: January 13, 2014 at 11:00 PM (#4638303)
I think #13 just won BBTF forever
   23. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: January 13, 2014 at 11:26 PM (#4638311)
It was indeed allsome, fanatic, breathtasting, mind-buggering and which ever other adjunctives Mr. Keefe would imploy.
   24. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 12:44 AM (#4638348)
I come here for centaur jokes and stay for the random Keefe masterpiece.

Brilliant.
   25. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: January 14, 2014 at 09:45 PM (#4639131)
Playing a small role in inspiring that Keefism may be my finest BTF moment. Sublime.

Shame it overshadowed Bob's quip, which wasn't bad itself.
   26. calhounite Posted: January 14, 2014 at 11:13 PM (#4639179)
Rod needs to hire Bonds. While everyone else was playing baseball, Bonds was playing pinball. Solved the game. Prior, success was failure - 1 out of 3. With Bonds - success was actually success. Actually paid to give him the base. Took the very best sinkerballs from the cream of the crop pitchers and popped up 400 plus footers. Swing through the zone was incredibly fast - like an Ali jab. Smashed the homerun record as a lefty in possibly the most difficult home stadium for lefty power hitters ever. Doing all this as an old fart at an age most players have long retired.

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