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Tuesday, April 09, 2013

Bernie Miklasz: A holiday for ‘Best Fans in Baseball

We have met the enemy. And they are us.

As we flock to Busch Stadium for the 2013 home opener, this is as good time as any to tell everyone that St. Louis is The Best Baseball Town in America.
In case you didn’t know it, we’ll be happy to repeat it. If you didn’t hear us say it the first 100,000 times, no problem. We’ll brag on it again.

And again. …

And again. …

Let’s face it: we’re baseball snobs.

The Cardinals and their fans can be annoying to outsiders. Try to view it through the eyes of the non-believers.

They see a consistently successful franchise that’s won 11 World Series and 18 NL pennants and is still going strong.

They hear the “Best Fans in Baseball” bluster.

Just the sight of that Cardinal red makes their faces turn red. It’s too much to handle.

Will Leitch — devoted Cardinals fan and contributing editor at New York magazine — described the envy last October when his favorite team upset the Washington Nationals in the NL Division Series.

“The rest of the world, to my astoundment, hates the Cardinals,” Leitch wrote on the Sports on Earth blog. “The rest of the world was cheering for the young, likable, fiery Washington Nationals, with their superstar youngsters ... the Cardinals weren’t the heroes to them; they were the brutish villains, the Cobra Kai, the Empire, stomping on the dreams of the upstart rebellion.”

Leitch vented his angst after noting the reaction to the berserk NLDS Game 5 at Foley’s, the popular New York sports saloon: “My Cardinals! My beloved, sweet, Best Fans In Baseball Cardinals! My comforting Midwestern oasis from this hard, wonderful city … bullies! The Cardinals are the Yankees now? How did that happen?”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:14 AM | 49 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Chris Needham Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:17 AM (#4408300)
Pete Kozma can go to hell.
   2. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:22 AM (#4408304)
As can David Freese. And I hope the devils yank extra hard on his limbs.

Don't get started on friggin' Beltran.
   3. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:35 AM (#4408316)
As long as it's guaranteed that the entire 1985 Cardinals team** goes straight to Hell with their whining manager thrown into the biggest fire, I'll give everyone else associated with the Cardinals before and since a pass. It took talent to make the mid-80's Mets seem lovable by comparison, but somehow that Whiteyball team managed to do it.

**with the exception of Ozzie Smith
   4. DA Baracus Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:37 AM (#4408318)
the Cardinals weren’t the heroes to them; they were the brutish villains, the Cobra Kai, the Empire, stomping on the dreams of the upstart rebellion.


No, they were the team that shouldn't have been there due to the bullshit second wild card. So arrogant they can't even get the complaints right.
   5. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:42 AM (#4408324)
Remember when Chili Davis called it a "cow town"? That series is far enough in the past now I can almost forgive Candy Maldonado.
   6. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:47 AM (#4408331)
Just another note from Cardinal nation in the never-ending love affair with themselves.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 09, 2013 at 10:47 AM (#4408332)
I always thought the Cobra Kai got a bad rap. So its illegal to try to take someone's knee out but its perfectly fine to kick them in the face, possibly causing long-term brain damage?
   8. Joey B. has reignited his October #Natitude Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:06 AM (#4408358)
I knew once and for all that the whole "we're the greatest fans in baseball" schtick was a bunch of bull when I saw that stupid woman holding up her big "ALBERT WHO?" sign during the playoffs last year. They're just as much of a bunch of ungrateful jerks as all the rest of bad baseball fans.
   9. Styles P. Deadball Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:13 AM (#4408371)
I always thought the Cobra Kai got a bad rap. So its illegal to try to take someone's knee out but its perfectly fine to kick them in the face, possibly causing long-term brain damage?


Say what you want about John Lawrence of the Cobra Kai.... His sell-job of the crane kick makes that moment.

I'm convinced that Dolph Ziggler has platinum blond hair not in homage to Ric Flair or Buddy Rogers, but for Billy Zabka.
   10. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:14 AM (#4408372)
Say what you want about John Lawrence of the Cobra Kai.... His sell-job of the crane kick makes that moment.

Did that poor guy ever get to make a movie in which he wasn't a complete asshole?

edit: IMDB tells me he got to be in Shootfighter and the Shootfighter 2 as well as Python and Python 2. I have not seen these films so maybe he was the good guy in those.
   11. Dolf Lucky Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4408384)
Meh. Most of yesterday's fans didn't even stick around to the end of the game.
   12. greenback calls it soccer Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:20 PM (#4408450)
Yesterday's game ended?

**with the exception of Ozzie Smith

Ozzie hasn't exactly been whine-free over the years.
   13. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 09, 2013 at 12:34 PM (#4408466)
Shootfighter is a fantastic name for a movie. That's up there with Albert Pyun classics like "Brainsmasher", "Omega Doom" and "Bulletface".
   14. McCoy Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:01 PM (#4408495)
Billy was a good guy in Shootfighter.
   15. OsunaSakata Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:08 PM (#4408506)
Has this movie ever been discussed here?

Deadball, the trailer.

Deadball, the explanation, sort of.
   16. Charlie O Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:14 PM (#4408516)
Please don't insult us by telling us your fans love their team more than fans of other teams love theirs. Let us know when your team's fans never reach over the fence to grab balls in play and don't curse/throw things at the opposing team's players. When those things happen, I'll start listening.
   17. Eric Ferguson Posted: April 09, 2013 at 02:43 PM (#4408598)
Since this thread has mentioned both fans and Dolph Ziggler, I'll take the opportunity to say that OMG THE FANS FOR RAW LAST NIGHT WERE OUTSTANDING!
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 09, 2013 at 02:46 PM (#4408602)
Best fans in wrestling?
   19. Eric Ferguson Posted: April 09, 2013 at 02:56 PM (#4408611)
I think they can make that case. Even their "We are awesome" chant was endearing.
   20. salvomania Posted: April 09, 2013 at 04:49 PM (#4408742)
Anytime you have to publicly confirm how special you are in some regard, chances are you're not.
   21. Eric Ferguson Posted: April 09, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4408744)
Just for the record: I am very special.
   22. Bourbon Samurai Posted: April 09, 2013 at 04:59 PM (#4408752)
Just wanted to check in to say #### Pete Kozma.
   23. Worrierking Posted: April 09, 2013 at 05:37 PM (#4408790)
As a Cardinal fan, I should be able to choose my evil empire. Spectre? The Uruk Hai? KAOS?
   24. devo Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:02 PM (#4408808)
17-19: The singalong to the Fandango theme was the greatest thing I'd seen on WWE TV in I don't know how long.
   25. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4408825)
2006.
Just...2006.
   26. Spahn Insane Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:40 PM (#4408836)
2006.
Just...2006.


Yes, but alas, there's far more of that sort of magical fairydust-$hitting where that came from.
   27. dr. scott Posted: April 09, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4408869)
Crap, I read the headline as "Holiday from best fans in baseball. I was hoping it may last all season... oh well.
   28. Howie Menckel Posted: April 09, 2013 at 07:49 PM (#4408887)

Cardinals fans "Best in Baseball" = "THE Ohio State University"

#gagme

#compensatingforsomeothershortcoming

   29. cardsfanboy Posted: April 09, 2013 at 08:06 PM (#4408901)
The sad part about this article appearaing today, is that yesterdays game Cardinal fans were decidedly unCardinal like in the 9th inning.
   30. Perry Posted: April 10, 2013 at 12:17 PM (#4409793)
"THE Ohio State University"


How come OSU gets all the grief on that? Penn State is "The Pennsylvania State University" and Johns Hopkins is "The Johns Hopkins University" but nobody says boo about them.
   31. dbrazeal18 Posted: April 10, 2013 at 03:18 PM (#4410046)
Inspired by endless Post-Dispatch suck-up stories about "the best fans in baseball," Cardinals fans are opening a new stadium without a baseball field in the middle, so they can just sit around and watch themselves cheer without distractions.

I'm a Cardinals fan and I find these stories annoying.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: April 10, 2013 at 03:23 PM (#4410055)

I'm a Cardinals fan and I find these stories annoying.


I don't find them annoying, I just don't think that they should have any national appeal at all. They are regional stories and are fun to chat about between other Cardinal fans, but when you start to deal with national exposure, it needs to be toned down a lot. I fully admit I have massive pride in the fact that we can constantly point to players who have never played for the Cardinals who say nice things about the city/fans. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. It's when it gets carried into conversations with fans of other cities that it's crossing the line into obnoxiousness. (especially when used as a hammer to diss other teams/fans)
   33. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 03:55 PM (#4410084)

How come OSU gets all the grief on that? Penn State is "The Pennsylvania State University" and Johns Hopkins is "The Johns Hopkins University" but nobody says boo about them.


I think because we emphasize the "The" for whatever reason. I don't ever remember people doing that when I went there, and I'm not real sure what its origin is.
   34. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 10, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4410093)
It seemed like an Internet development to me; people began abbreviating the school's name as tOSU. Until I saw that abbreviation, I didn't even realize that "the" was part of the official name.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: April 10, 2013 at 04:21 PM (#4410100)
The only place the The should show up (collegiately speaking) is with The Citadel. That's just cool.
   36. Publius Publicola Posted: April 10, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4410122)
Did that poor guy ever get to make a movie in which he wasn't a complete #######?


He was auditioned for the Jackie Robinson role but I guess he didn't get it.

Too bad.
   37. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 06:10 PM (#4410173)
A lot of schools are "the" somethingorother (The Leland Stanford University comes to mind), but Ohio St is the only one whose actual students and staff insist on using the "the". Thus, it is douchey and annoying, especially given that the school is mostly a corrupt athletic program with a college attached.
   38. SouthSideRyan Posted: April 10, 2013 at 07:04 PM (#4410201)
#### The Pete Kozma
   39. Howie Menckel Posted: April 10, 2013 at 08:10 PM (#4410238)
"How come OSU gets all the grief on that?"

They are THE Ohio State University, not The Ohio State University (which is douchey enough)

and yeah, the pretense of love for student-athletes while employing subcontractor Maurice Clarett and friends is a bit... precious.

either don't deny too hard that you pay your top athletes - or don't pay your student athletes. they all deny it, but the corrupt ones almost do it with a wink.

there never seem to be enough THE Ohio State scandals to change the mindset away from "wow, yet another isolate incident. How many is that now?"

I didn't realize this wasn't universally obvious.

fyi, Duke and Notre Dame are insufferable as well, although they do better at the professionalizing or at least at not getting caught.
   40. Kurt Posted: April 10, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4410279)
It seemed like an Internet development to me; people began abbreviating the school's name as tOSU. Until I saw that abbreviation, I didn't even realize that "the" was part of the official name.


You watch a lot of football, right? When the starters introduce themselve on those little clips during the first possession, it's always, always THE Ohio State University.
   41. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 10, 2013 at 10:10 PM (#4410358)
people began abbreviating the school's name as tOSU


As a college football fan, I always used tOSU to distinguish them from oSu (Oklahoma State) as it resembles their helmet logo and osu for Oregon State.

it is douchey, yet tolerable, but no more douchey than da 'U'.
   42. MuttsIdolCochrane Posted: April 11, 2013 at 05:39 AM (#4410489)
Whine along with Whitey and the red boys INCLUDING of course Ozzie. You're so f####n special, I wish I was special.
   43. OsunaSakata Posted: April 11, 2013 at 08:11 AM (#4410517)
I remember visiting TheOhio State University in 1987. The university official talking to a roomful of high school students was clearly indoctrinating the group that they were not OSU or Ohio State but TheOhio State University.
   44. tfbg9 Posted: April 11, 2013 at 09:07 AM (#4410553)
The Cardinals are they only team to have played the NYY's more than once in a WS and have a winning record. This alone makes the Cardinals admirable in my book.

Cards fans are less often publicly obnoxious than just about any other passionate fans I can think of. To their credit.
   45. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 11, 2013 at 09:16 AM (#4410556)
You watch a lot of football, right? When the starters introduce themselve on those little clips during the first possession, it's always, always THE Ohio State University.


Yes, but those little clips are a recent phenomenon, concurrent with the rise of Internet commenting. It's not like John Brockington ever introduced himself that way.
   46. JE (Jason) Posted: April 11, 2013 at 09:19 AM (#4410560)
St. Louis had the best fans of baseball but then they went too far.
   47. TerpNats Posted: April 11, 2013 at 09:50 AM (#4410591)
I believe the whole "THE Ohio State University" began from a wish not to be confused with Ohio University in Athens, which is actually several decades older than its larger Columbus counterpart. And then, of course, you had Woody Hayes start this "the school up north" nonsense when referring to the University of Michigan; Buckeyes fans now use the abbreviation "TSUN" (which I initially thought was a misspelled reference to Cal State Northridge, or as it's known in SoCal, CSUN).

When Maryland joins the Big Ten, I'm wondering if Terrapin fans will have more disdain for OSU or Michigan. I suppose the dislike will be equal.
   48. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 11, 2013 at 11:01 AM (#4410669)
The definite article must be. handled with care.

"The Glenlivet"=class, tradition, etc
"The Ohio State University"=#############
   49. SoSH U at work Posted: April 11, 2013 at 11:19 AM (#4410697)
I believe the whole "THE Ohio State University" began from a wish not to be confused with Ohio U University in Athens, which is actually several decades older than its larger Columbus counterpart.


Maybe that's a MAC thing. Miami University is more than a century older than the University of Miami, but it's the one that gets "of Ohio" tagged at the end of its name.

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