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Monday, July 27, 2009

Best: Omar Minaya drops bombshell on Mets beat reporter

Did Omar Minaya just accuse the Daily News’ Adam Rubin of having an agenda in his reporting on Tony Bernazard because he wanted to land a player personnel job in the Mets’ organization?

OMG!

Nice job by SNY doing a split screen of Rubin’s shocked reaction as Minaya spoke . . . minutes after Rubin had appeared on SNY to discuss the Bernazard story.

Now Rubin and Omar are debating this in the middle of a news conference, which has taken its place already as one of the strangest in the history of New York media!

Back in the studio, Jon Heyman - with whom Rubin has had issues of late (10 questions down) - expressed his shock, and Bob Ojeda said the last time he witnessed something that uncomfortable was the infamous Strawberry-Hernandez fight of many moons ago.

Kevin Burkhardt just said on the team-owned network that Minaya bringing Rubin into the story in this manner was “kinda nuts.”

Why do the Mets continue to let Mr. Minaya serve as their spokesman in these news conferences when he is so consistently bad at it?

Thanks to Agent Barnald.

Repoz Posted: July 27, 2009 at 09:47 PM | 147 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. KronicFatigue Posted: July 27, 2009 at 09:57 PM (#3269158)
hello? is this thing on? I demand to be entertained!
   2. madvillain Posted: July 27, 2009 at 09:58 PM (#3269162)
Hey, who said this years Mets team isn't an entertaining bunch?
   3. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:00 PM (#3269164)
Bob Ojeda said the last time he witnessed something that uncomfortable was the infamous Strawberry-Hernandez fight of many moons ago.

And Ojeda has witnessed some uncomfortable things.
   4. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:01 PM (#3269166)
And Ojeda has witnessed some uncomfortable things


well done. I assume this works for any of the 1986 Mets.
   5. 1k5v3L Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:02 PM (#3269169)
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   6. Mister High Standards Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:06 PM (#3269178)
This is a ####### trainwreck.
   7. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:10 PM (#3269182)
This is a ####### trainwreck.?

Indeed. That presser was phenomenal. I can't imagine letting Omar speak for anyone, anywhere.
   8. frannyzoo Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:11 PM (#3269183)
And I thought the last days of Bavasi in Seattle were like a bad acid trip.
   9. Repoz Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:15 PM (#3269188)
I've said it since Minaya first uttered that OBP quote...he am a boob.
   10. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:18 PM (#3269191)
I am surprised by this because Minaya's handling of the media has generally been quite good. That said, this is an extremely stupid thing to do. Minaya had better hope the 2010 Mets start quickly or he's going to be out of a job.
   11. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:18 PM (#3269192)
I always thought that Ricciardi was about as bad as can be when it came to PR.

It looks like I was wrong.
   12. Raskolnikov Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM (#3269194)
On the bright side, at least this exposes Omar as who he is. Unless he's changed as the Mets' situation deteriorated, this doesn't show a nice person.
Among the things I learned today that I didn't like:

1. Either the entire organization was in cahoots to cover up what a terrible person Tony B is or they're clueless about themselves. But what Tony B did was too flagrant and public to think that they were clueless.

So basically what it means was that management (and ownership?) knew that one of their executives was abusing their own minor leaguers, terrorizing their own employees, and mistreating outsiders in general. Yet rather than firing Tony B, they chose to cover it up.

2. When a reporter exposed their cover-up, Omar (and Jeff Wilpon?) rather than simply admitting his mistakes, chose instead to smear the reporter who actually did reveal the facts, who actually helped this organization (by forcing them to remove Tony B).
   13. Roy Hobbs of WIFFLE Ball Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:20 PM (#3269195)
well done. I assume this works for any of the 1986 Mets.


I think it applies more to the '93 Indians.
   14. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:22 PM (#3269197)
how did this situation manage to get even crazier?
   15. KronicFatigue Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3269201)
How long has it been since the last time the Mets were the laughingstock of baseball? The firecrackers, bleach, vince coleman years? That was a pretty quick cycle.
   16. tfbg9 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:24 PM (#3269203)
Umm, how could this reporter guy Rubin even be considered for a job like Tony B.'s?
Am I out of some loop on this particular, or is Omar indeed just a huge mouth-breather?
   17. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM (#3269204)
And Ojeda has witnessed some uncomfortable things.

True, even more remarkable that he never lost his head in those situations.
   18. McCoy Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:25 PM (#3269208)
I believe he wanted the PR job not Tony's job.
   19. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:27 PM (#3269215)
True, even more remarkable that he never lost his head in those situations.


So inappropriate.

And yet so awesome.
   20. Raskolnikov Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:30 PM (#3269219)
Umm, how could this reporter guy Rubin even be considered for a job like Tony B.'s?
Am I out of some loop on this particular, or is Omar indeed just a huge mouth-breather?


No, I don't think there could have been any real possibility about that (Adam R replacing Tony B.).

I think basically Omar just spilled out something - stupidly?, sinisterly? - that most people wouldn't like to be made public, i.e, I'm covering this team as a reporter but I would be thrilled if I were part of your organization rather than as a journalist.

I'm just shocked that anyone holding a public press conference wouldn't realize that it's a complete faux pas to do something like that.
   21. Alex_Lewis Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:31 PM (#3269221)
Umm, how could this reporter guy Rubin even be considered for a job like Tony B.'s?
Am I out of some loop on this particular, or is Omar indeed just a huge mouth-breather?


SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE IS ANGLING FOR A GM JOB BLURG
   22. tfbg9 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:32 PM (#3269224)
I believe he wanted the PR job not Tony's job


OK, but why this line in the FA then? :

Did Omar Minaya just accuse the Daily News’ Adam Rubin of having an agenda in his reporting on Tony Bernazard because he wanted to land a player personnel job in the Mets’ organization?
   23. Raskolnikov Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM (#3269226)
McCoy was just making a joke in #18.
   24. ValueArb Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:36 PM (#3269235)
So dies the stupid theory that Omar orchestrated this stories to the press to get Tony B. fired...
   25. 1k5v3L Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM (#3269244)
So dies the stupid theory that Omar orchestrated this stories to the press to get Tony B. fired...
He did; poor naive Rubin just fell for the Spanish Prisoner trick.
   26. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:39 PM (#3269245)
So inappropriate.

And yet so awesome.


Thanks. I always appreciate positive pier reviews.
   27. CFiJ Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:40 PM (#3269247)
This is awesome. I full lucky to be able to witness to something that will remain in baseball lore for decades.
   28. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:41 PM (#3269249)
Thanks. I always appreciate positive pier reviews.


You're on a roll. I'd almost say you're crewsing, but I won't.
   29. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:42 PM (#3269250)
This is awesome. I full lucky to have be able to witness to something that will remain in baseball lore for decades.

Come on, the jokes about boating accidents are good, but not <u>that</u> good.
   30. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM (#3269251)
You're on a roll. I'd almost say you're crewsing, but I won't.

Boat you said it anyways!
   31. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:43 PM (#3269254)
You're on a roll. I'd almost say you're crewsing, but I won't.

Come on now, don't let me be the olin one...


EDIT: Okay, I'm done now.
   32. Raskolnikov Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:44 PM (#3269256)
Another interesting point brought up at another Mets board,

Where is Jay Horowitz, the director of Mets PR, in all of this?! Didn't he go over with Omar exactly what he was going to say and how he was going to answer the questions? Omar sounded like someone who was basically going to wing it, in a press conference where the reputation of the front office was at stake.

Jay Horowitz also dropped the ball on this one.
   33. McCoy Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:45 PM (#3269258)
ARe one of you guys my former Earth Science teacher from high school? The man loved puns which I believe was classified as the worst form of humor.
   34. twon8 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:46 PM (#3269260)
Omar and Jeff are speaking soon on SNY, might be a live be-heading. First time in a while for Jeff to speak publicly

Delgado was smiling when he was asked about Tony's firing and continued to smile as he said "I've known Tony for a long time. So, uh. "

Manuel and Wright didn't seem too upset. David said "you never want to see anybody fired, um, you know, but, uh, um, that's not something we as players can control."
   35. Raskolnikov Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM (#3269263)
Omar and Jeff are speaking soon on SNY, might be a live be-heading. First time in a while for Jeff to speak publicly

Ah, this is either going to be transcendant comedy or transcendant tragedy.
   36. Gonfalon B. Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:48 PM (#3269264)
Thanks. I always appreciate positive pier reviews.
Come on, the jokes about boating accidents are good, but not that good.
You're on a roll. I'd almost say you're crewsing, but I won't.
Come on now, don't let me be the olin one...


Thank goodness I already had my coffee. I'd hate to read these dopey jokes without being fully decafitated.
   37. Esoteric Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM (#3269268)
I LOVE THIS CONTROVERSY SO MUCH I WANNA DIP MY BALLS IN IT.
   38. CFiJ Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:51 PM (#3269269)
Any chance Jeff fires Omar on live TV? That'd take this awesomeness to another order of magnitude.
   39. PreservedFish Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:53 PM (#3269271)
The man loved puns which I believe was classified as the worst form of humor.


"Dead babies" jokes came ahead?
   40. Esoteric Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:54 PM (#3269274)
Any chance Jeff fires Omar on live TV? That'd take this awesomeness to another order of magnitude.
I might actually spontaneously combust if this happens.

Hey, anyone think the Mets are gonna be quick to post this conference on the official website?
   41. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2009 at 10:58 PM (#3269282)
What time are Omar and Jeff coming on?
   42. Old Matt Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:01 PM (#3269288)
Gary Cohen: Omar has just issued a non-apology apology.
   43. ValueArb Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM (#3269290)
Who deserves to be fired first, the unethical reporter Rubin, or the bumbling GM Minaya?
   44. Swoboda is freedom Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:03 PM (#3269295)
And Ojeda has witnessed some uncomfortable things.

Like cutting off his own finger.

True, even more remarkable that he never lost his head in those situations.
Yeah, but he did lose a finger.
   45. Esoteric Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:04 PM (#3269298)
I really don't see Rubin as being that unethical here. And lord knows I'm looking for any reason to take it to journalists, especially sports journos, who are usually the dumbest of the dubm.

Minaya is (or at least SHOULD BE) totally ######.
   46. KronicFatigue Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:04 PM (#3269299)
had to quickly download an app to get me WFAN on my phone.
   47. twon8 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:06 PM (#3269303)
Omar apologizes for bringing it up when he brought them up, but does not regret saying it, just saying it when he said it, improper forum.
   48. KronicFatigue Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:07 PM (#3269305)
[45] Isn't that the definition of conflict of interests? As a reader, wouldn't you want to know if the writer was trying to get a job at the company he's writing about?
   49. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:07 PM (#3269307)
I also don't think that Rubin was being unethical. I think he was just asking for information from Jeff, not asking for a job.
   50. KronicFatigue Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:08 PM (#3269311)
Omar just (re?)said that Rubin was "lobbying for a job"
   51. Xander Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:10 PM (#3269316)
Beat reporters, in general, are conflicted or limited in what they can say. It's kind of the nature of the beast. Just observe the tone of how a beat writer discusses a team, compared to how a columnist does.
   52. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:10 PM (#3269317)
I'm glad all this is happening as the Rockies are making their annual trip to Queens. The Mets don't exactly seem like a team that's going to be bringing their A game tonight.
   53. Raskolnikov Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:13 PM (#3269322)
[45] Isn't that the definition of conflict of interests? As a reader, wouldn't you want to know if the writer was trying to get a job at the company he's writing about?

Beat reporters, in general, are conflicted or limited in what they can say. It's kind of the nature of the beast. Just observe the tone of how a beat writer discusses a team and how a columnist does.


Yeah, what's interesting is that the Minaya/Rubin spat will probably lead us to reassess what levels of conflicts of interests are tolerated. Because in the real world, I imagine journalists can't possibly have *zero* biases or conflicts while doing their everyday job. It's just impossible.
   54. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:13 PM (#3269325)
The Mets don't exactly seem like a team that's going to be bringing their A game tonight.

They haven't done that for quite a while...
   55. BFFB Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:15 PM (#3269328)
they'll be bringing their AAA-Game.
   56. AJMcCringleberry Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:17 PM (#3269335)
The Mets don't exactly seem like a team that's going to be bringing their A game tonight.

They bring their AAA lineup every game.

Edit: Damn, too slow.
   57. susan mullen Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:23 PM (#3269350)
Whatever Omar is, I believe Jeff Wilpon dictates every syllable. My guess is the Adam Rubin tirade was Jeff Wilpon's price for having to let go of his guy Bernazard. Minaya's delivery all of a sudden became heartfelt and self assured when he spoke about Rubin. Most of the rest of it was stumbling. The Wilpons apparently still believe they're smart businessmen despite being royally fooled by Madoff.
   58. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:26 PM (#3269355)
they'll be bringing their AAA-Game.

That could still work in New York. The Wall Street crowd hasn't tell the difference between A and AAA for a couple years now.
   59. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:29 PM (#3269363)
The Wall Street crowd hasn't tell the difference between A and AAA for a couple years now.

No, no, no. Their problem is confusing CCC and AAA.
   60. PreservedFish Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:30 PM (#3269366)
Minaya's delivery all of a sudden became heartfelt and self assured when he spoke about Rubin. Most of the rest of it was stumbling.


Because he was going off script and just saying what came into his head
   61. Howie Menckel Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM (#3269375)
3-minute video of Rubin explaining himself:

http://web.sny.tv/media/player/mp_tp...vid=8852&_mp=1

Mostly he's just saying that he asked about how one goes about getting a job in baseball.
Mostly no reason given, but at one point he mentions the state of journalism.
He is not saying he wanted a job in the METS organization.

In case the overall context isn't understood:
Many newspapers, including 3 in the NY/NJ area (Rubin's own Daily News plus Newark Star-Ledger and Bergen Record) have a story-sharing arrangement since March, along with Buffalo and Albany (picture Daily News in the center of the equation and it makes more sense).

Star-Ledger now uses the Daily News' Mets/Yankees copy in its print edition, and has bloggers for its Web site. Ledger dumped its baseball writers in the offseason.

It is not at all inconceivable that half the newspaper pro beat jobs in this market (and others) could disappear in a couple of years, if not sooner.

If any of those beat writers in any sport have not started looking at possible emergency exits, they are fools - and if they have a family, they are irresponsible.

Now, would it be better to ask those general questions ONLY of officials from other teams (and Rubin would/should know plenty)?

Yes, because of that potential perceived conflict of interest issue.
But it's interesting that by writing a story that humiliates the Mets, it makes Rubin look more credible even if he had previously asked around in a general way - if he was looking for a recommendation from Minaya or the Wilpons, he'd be slitting his own throat.
   62. Gaelan Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM (#3269380)
I think it is pretty clear that there was an orchestrated campaign to discredit Bernazard in the press. There were too many, many stories leaked in too short a period of time. Given this, then Rubin isn't an investigative journalist he's a hitman and at the very least hasn't covered himself in glory.
   63. madvillain Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:35 PM (#3269381)
At what point do the Mets realize they didn't have to fire Bernazard because of the press but because he was a huge liability to the organization? It seems kind of dumb to sit and point fingers at the press when for all evidence it looks like Bernazard was digging himself a pretty big hole and filling it with his own borish behavior.

And even then, at what point do the Mets fail to realize that PR, that playing in the biggest media market in the world -- also means something -- and that good PR is probably worth firing someone you like once and awhile.

Just an all around epic fail.
   64. RJ in TO Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:37 PM (#3269390)
Given this, then Rubin isn't an investigative journalist he's a hitman and at the very least hasn't covered himself in glory.


Of course, given all the stories which have come out, including the one from Templeusox about Bernazard's landmark performance as a little league coach, it's not like Bernazard has exactly covered himself in glory either.
   65. madvillain Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM (#3269394)
@ #62: Has anyone disputed either of the big stories, the k-rod incident and the recent dustup again challening his players to a fight?

If the Mets have a problem with the way they think they are being covered this isn't the way to go about it. Even so, I hardly think fair coverage is the issue here. This is NYC, my goodness -- you have to expect these things. Fair has nothing to do with it in this case. The Mets have to be better than this.
   66. ValueArb Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM (#3269396)
I also don't think that Rubin was being unethical. I think he was just asking for information from Jeff, not asking for a job.


He admitted it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/sports/baseball/28minaya.html?hp

Rubin said that in the past he had asked Wilpon about how someone would pursue getting a job with a major league team. But he disputed the notion that he was seeking a job with the Mets at any point.


Asking a baseball owner how to get a job in baseball is directly asking that person to help you get a job in baseball. If he's writing an article on how baseball owners guide employment decisions at their teams, there is an entirely different tack to take. To his credit, Rubin didn't even try to spin a lie that bold. Instead he said he asked a long time ago, and that he didn't directly ask for a job, just advice on getting one, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

But admitting to using his position to try to gain favors is a big deal, which means Rubin has no more credibility left as a reporter, and needs to be shown the door.
   67. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:39 PM (#3269397)
The old saying is tru, a fish rots from the head down.

Wilpon sounded like a moron in their press conference, and if Fred didn't think he was on the inside of a scam with Madoff, then he's an idiot too.

So, the owner is either an idiot or a crook, the heir is an idiot and the GM is an idiot.

Good luck Met fans. I actually feel bad for you for once.
   68. Tripon Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:41 PM (#3269401)
Wait, wait. David Eckstein isn't the model for the typical baseball player?
   69. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:42 PM (#3269403)
Bernazard was once traded for Gorman Thomas. I'd kind of like to see Gorman Thomas fight a bunch of minor leaguers.
   70. madvillain Posted: July 27, 2009 at 11:49 PM (#3269414)
@66

I just don't see it. Say the conversation when something like:

"So how would one you know, get their foot in the door in baseball? I'd be willing to start small, you know, in PR or something."

"You're asking me if I know anyone looking, that I could put a good word in for you?"

"Yea if you could"


Rubin obviously didn't get any jobs, so I can't really see it going much beyond this. Now, did Rubin hold a grudge, maybe. Was it against the ethics of journalism as an institution? Sure, but journalism as an institution isn't really the issue here for me, it's how the Mets are running their baseball club - which seems to be pretty damn lousily.

If Minaya thought Rubin had acted unethically as a journalist he should have talked to Rubin's bosses about it in private -- for numerous reasons, not the least of which it would make the Mets come off as the good guy in all this, which I'd think was one of the primary goals of Minaya when he went off on his tangent -- to get some sympathy.
   71. Swedish Chef Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:01 AM (#3269438)
I think the best scenario for the Mets now would be that Omar, unhinged or not, gets full control over the front office and the Wilpons fade into the background to restore some manner of sane management structure.

(Speaking of disintegrating teams, I'm now the poud sponsor of the 1998 Florida Marlins page on BBRef.)
   72. Lazzeri Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:03 AM (#3269442)
ADAM LOBBY FOR JOB LOL
   73. Howie Menckel Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:05 AM (#3269446)
Matt H,
That would be a pretty troublesome version as well.

Best-case version would be where to your hypothetical, he said, "No, no! I'd be doing own work on that. Just mulling the process."

And no, even that is not "fine."
If done at all, should only have been done with officials from OTHER teams (while even THAT isn't perfect, it's grinding the potential perceived conflicts down to a much lower level).


But his supporters would probably say that the reporter's house is on fire, and we're wondering if he got a permit to use that fire truck in his driveway.

That said, journalism ethics shoot for high ideals even if they sometimes aren't reached.
   74. Roadblock Jones Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:11 AM (#3269454)
Any chance Jeff fires Omar on live TV? That'd take this awesomeness to another order of magnitude.


That's what I was rooting for too. Just another opportunity the Mets completely screwed up.
   75. I Love LA (OFF) Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:11 AM (#3269455)
Tony B was fired for the things Rubin said he did, not because Rubin leaked them out. If Omar thinks its because of the latter, he needs to go.
   76. puck Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:13 AM (#3269459)
They bring their AAA lineup every game.


They're starting a Rockies castoff in LF. I liked Sullivan, but it's not good if you have to start him.
   77. The District Attorney Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:36 AM (#3269494)
Rubin acted inappropriately in discussing MLB job prospects with a team he was assigned to cover. Depending on exactly how hypothetical that discussion was, it's possible that Rubin shouldn't be covering the team.

Nonetheless, to think that Adam Rubin intended to take over as the Mets' (hot-headed) vice-president of player development is totally, completely crazy. So his Bernazard stories were not motivated by that.

That all seems obvious. Then it becomes less clear, but psychoanalyzing from afar, I'll bet $14,692 dollar bucks on this scenario: Minaya wanted to hurt Rubin's feelings because Rubin had forced Minaya to fire his friend. (This, of course, means Minaya wouldn't have fired Bernazard absent pressure, even though Bernazard deserved to be fired.) So, Minaya pulled out the dirt that he had on Rubin. If Omar knew that Rubin was cheating on his wife, he could have said that instead. It would have served the same purpose, and been just as relevant to the issue of Tony Bernazard.
   78. The Ghost fouled out, but stays in the game Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:49 AM (#3269517)
Bernazard was once traded for Gorman Thomas. I'd kind of like to see Gorman Thomas fight a bunch of minor leaguers.

Yep, Stormin' Gorman was traded to Seattle in that deal. I got to take a tour of the Mariners locker room when Thomas was on the team. I saw a gallon plastic jug that, IIRC, was labeled DMSO. It also bore this inscription.

"Property of Gorman Thomas. Keep ####### hands off."
   79. Padraic Posted: July 28, 2009 at 12:57 AM (#3269528)
Nonetheless, to think that Adam Rubin intended to take over as the Mets' (hot-headed) vice-president of player development is totally, completely crazy.

Sure, that's absurd, but I don't think that's what was implied. More like Bernazard was in a position where he could have helped Rubin - either through a direct hire or recommendation to another team - and didn't, so Rubin got back on him. Not at all saying this happened, only that this might be what Minaya was (in)articulating.
   80. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:01 AM (#3269537)
They're starting a Rockies castoff in LF.

For a second there I was asking myself, "Wait, Bichette has long since been retired now, right?"
   81. cardsfanboy Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:12 AM (#3269561)
so would a conversation like this be unethical.

Rubin: with newspapers going under left and right there is a good chance I could be out of a job soon, if so what skills should I work on getting that a team might look at when reviewing my resume?
Bernazard: ####, #### damn who needs a ####### god damn resume why are you wasting my ####### time you ####### whore bag?
Rubin: um nevermind, I think I'm just going to interview a few players instead... have a good day
   82. Brian Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:15 AM (#3269571)
ARe one of you guys my former Earth Science teacher from high school? The man loved puns which I believe was classified as the worst form of humor.

McCoy, did you go to school in Mass.?
   83. greenback likes millwall Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:26 AM (#3269596)
Posnanski has announced that he does not want a Royals job.
   84. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: July 28, 2009 at 02:09 AM (#3269759)
I need another bag of popcorn. This is good.
   85. PreservedFish Posted: July 28, 2009 at 02:28 AM (#3269813)
But admitting to using his position to try to gain favors is a big deal, which means Rubin has no more credibility left as a reporter, and needs to be shown the door.


I don't see this as "using his position to try to gain favors." It's called "networking."

The thing that would kill his credibility is if there was any implication that he would slant coverage in return for a job. There is no accusation of that.

And I don't think there's any conspiracy behind Omar opening up with this. He was just frustrated and ranting.
   86. Sam M. Posted: July 28, 2009 at 04:25 AM (#3270013)
You know what? #### Omar Minaya. The whole entire purpose of what he pulled on Rubin was revenge, it was ########. And the sad thing is, at least on this thread, it worked. It changed the subject from the incompetence of the organization in policing the behavior of one of its highest-ranking executives, the misconduct of that executive, the fact that it took the press doing its job in exposing his behavior and forcing the team's hand . . . to instead talking about the reporter.

Nice work, Omar. When you have no decent explanation for the fact that you allowed this screwed-up tyrant to destroy your minor league system, run roughshod over employees, prospects, and major league players alike, you just trot out a totally trumped-up and exaggerated allegation against the reporter, and claim that his doing his job MUST have been ill-motivated. Bernazard probably planted this notion in Minaya's head when the first stories broke, to explain why Rucin had it out for him and/or the Mets in general. A GM with half an ounce of sense would have said, "Oh, give me a break. Tell you what, Tony. If these stories prove to be mostly made out of whole cloth, maybe I'll buy that. If they prove true, then cry me a river." Well, they not only proved true (other than a couple of details Madden -- not Rubin -- got wrong), there was a lot more there than even Rubin reported.

Yet people here are buying that -- because Rubin made an ambiguous inquiry about seeking a major league job, sometime in the past, not even with the Mets -- it somehow taints a story that has proved accurate. Well, IMHO, that is utter crap. The media, especially the tabloids, can be full of it. But when the nail something, especially a SOB like Bernazard, I say well done. And when Minaya goes out of his way to try to retaliate the he did today, I say that to impugn Rubin's motives is really quite astonishing. Most of you guys are barking up the wrong damn tree.

Rubin is the good guy here.
   87. madvillain Posted: July 28, 2009 at 04:49 AM (#3270029)
I really wish I knew how to post that picture of Michael Jackson eating popcorn from Thriller.

Should be an interesting week peaking over at the headlines on the train, because, you know, I would never pay money for that trash...
   88. Lassus Posted: July 28, 2009 at 04:53 AM (#3270031)
Rubin acted inappropriately in discussing MLB job prospects with a team he was assigned to cover. Depending on exactly how hypothetical that discussion was, it's possible that Rubin shouldn't be covering the team.

Nonetheless, to think that Adam Rubin intended to take over as the Mets' (hot-headed) vice-president of player development is totally, completely crazy. So his Bernazard stories were not motivated by that.



As one of the scores of people here who know absolutely nothing about what literally happened, I would say I agree with this that DA said the most.
   89. Srul Itza At Home Posted: July 28, 2009 at 07:09 AM (#3270069)
Wilpon sounded like a moron in their press conference

Sometimes, appearances are NOT deceiving. Sometimes, wysiwyg.
   90. Greg Goosen at 30 Posted: July 28, 2009 at 09:12 AM (#3270084)
So how exactly does one get a job in baseball?
   91. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: July 28, 2009 at 09:46 AM (#3270087)
This site needs a METSPOCALYPSE tag.
   92. Greg Goosen at 30 Posted: July 28, 2009 at 10:10 AM (#3270088)
At least Rubin didn't ask the Wilpons for investment device.
   93. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2009 at 10:47 AM (#3270092)
After listening to the press conference it's pretty clear Minaya has gone off the deep end.

Sam is right. That anyone here is discussing Rubin is weird.
   94. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:24 PM (#3270153)
At least Rubin didn't ask the Wilpons for investment device.
This the best joke in the thread, non-boating pun division.
   95. GregD Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:45 PM (#3270168)
Reporters aren't Supreme Court Justices. They often travel with the people they cover; they get to know them on a personal level. They can't be absolutely free from any human connection, good or bad. On the other hand, they don't issue binding judgments in court, so it doesn't matter quite so much.

A good, modern reporter now would draw the line at coverage. If the coverage got slanted because of a personal connection, then you've crossed a line. If someone reading at home--especially in a city with multiple papers--can't tell who you like and who you hate, then you've been a pro.

It's always been different for columnists, who make no pretense of objectivity. Some papers care less about this than others.

If what happened is what Rubin wrote this morning--he had a conversation on the phone with Wilpon about whether it was even possible for a reporter to transition into baseball front office work and if so how to go about it, and if Wilpon invited him to come in and talk to him and Rubin did not take him up on that offer, then it's really hard to imagine any world in which this is an issue at all.

I know there's tension among non-reporters about the arrogance that reporters show people who write on the web. That's fine, and it's natural to nudge back when reporters show they are human, too. But I cannot see what the problem is.

Now, if the story is wildly different, and if Rubin threatened to punish the Mets if they didn't hire him or something crazy, that's a different story. But Wilpon said specifically that the extent of it was a single, general phone conversation, something he has all the time.

The equivalent is not the Supreme Court Justice who is supposed to be shrouded off from society but a junior prosecuting attorney. Is it kosher for one to ask a defense attorney casually what it's like to work on that side? Of course. Every single Assistant DA has had that conversation. Is it kosher for them to offer to throw a case in order to get a job with a defense attorney? Of course not. By some crazy stretch the line may seem gray but it's the kind of gray that people deal with and navigate all the time.
   96. GGC don't think it can get longer than a novella Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:50 PM (#3270172)
Was Bernazard the street Spanish guy that Levski used to joke about a few years ago?
   97. BFFB Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:53 PM (#3270177)
the one and same.

you'll have to ask "not amused" about the second part of that statement...
   98. The Good Face Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:57 PM (#3270182)
This site needs a METSPOCALYPSE tag.


Hell yeah, I love the Metspocalypse!
   99. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: July 28, 2009 at 01:59 PM (#3270183)
Was Bernazard the street Spanish guy that Levski used to joke about a few years ago?
Yes, although today Delgado is quoting as calling Tony B. a friend, and sorry to see him go, etc. etc.

I don't know what that means, but it does seem to confirm that those Delgado/Met talks from off-season 2004-05 were among the most bizarre in recent memroy.
   100. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: July 28, 2009 at 02:02 PM (#3270185)
The WFAN overnight show was an unending freakshow of hours upon hours of "Fiya Minaya" calls from deranged Mets fans...the kind that are awake at 2:45 a.m.
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