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Monday, June 02, 2008
Don’cha think there’s a place for Yost,
In between the Sheets?
We all know that Ben Sheets isn’t exactly the most durable of pitchers and could realistically break down at any moment. Naturally Ned Yost has let Sheets throw 120 pitches or more in two of his last three starts, moving Sheets all the way up to third in Pitcher Abuse Points . Roy Halladay, who’s antics we talked about not too long ago is 17th, and the highest ranked Dusty Baker opperated pitcher is Bronson Arroyo at 20th.
The Brewer zeitgeist is to not trust that bullpen—tricky as expected—but Sheets’ trade value is on the line with every pitch he throws and even if the Brewers aren’t trading Sheets that gives them more of a reason to preserve his arm.
I know, the rule is don’t let pitchers throw when they’re tired and that pitch counts aren’t to be taken too literally, but Yost and the Brewers are playing with fire if this continues, and given how things are going it wouldn’t surprise me if Sheets had to take 15 days off sometime soon.
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Posted: June 02, 2008 at 11:28 AM | 15 comment(s)
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1. Harveys WallbangersBen Sheets is a free agent after this season. The market for quality starting pitching is competitive. Ben Sheets has a history of injury. The Milwaukee Brewers leadership believes Ben is a poor long-term investment.
So the plan by the ballclub for Ben Sheets is to work him. Period. No special accomodiations. No extended trips to the DL as precautionary measures. Send him to the mound and what happens, happens.
Ben is on board with this plan as he is looking maximize his return on free agency. He is eager to demonstrate to other GMs that he CAN be durable.
Yost is doing what he was told to do. Sheets is a willing participant.
There is no issue here.
He's either going to get hurt or he's not; and though it's not completely independent of being overworked, it's not that big of a concern, either.
It changes. Sometimes Ben just runs out of gas and he's getting by on guile. Other times he stays strong and his velocity is good. The real sign of issue is control.
With the Brewers bullpen Ben Sheets at 110 pitches, throwing 90 with control is a better option.
So it's uo to Yost to figure which is which? Doe he do a better job at this that with bullpen usage? I've always thought knowing when to pull a starter and knowing when not to is the most important job a manager has. It seems as if it's become a lost art with modern bullpen usage, though.
Yost's inability to generate any level of consistent bullpen performance is his biggest failing as manager.
The Brewers record in producing pitching prospects over the last ten years has been terrible.
Not to be "cute" but how are you defining prospect? And comparing Milwaukee to what standard for pitcher development?
I am legitimately curious.
Didn't Sheets find out he tore a lat, one day after a start, a couple years back?
I must've missed the part where the Brewers dismembered and ate Sheets.
Either that, or you just made the worst analogy ever (non-Nazi division).
I made a quick study in the last few days of pitchers who had pitched their first game with each NL team in the last 10 years. So if a pitcher pitched his first game in the majors with the Brewers since 1998, he would be considered their prospect. This isn't an exact measure - Zach Jackson is considered a Brewer this way, and Thatcher isn't - but it's easy to do for any team.
Let's say that a major prospect is one who started at least 30 games in his career, or relieved in at least 100.
The Brewers prospects produced since 1998:
1998 - Valerio del los Santos
2001 - Sheets
2004 - Jorge de la Rosa
That's it. Villanueva, Gallardo, and Parra hopefully will make it, along with Dana Eveland, who's no longer with the team. In any case that's what they've had.
Here are the counts for all of the National League clubs in "pitchers produced" since 1998:
(if a player started 30 games and also relieved 100 or more, he's counted in both groups)
Brewers - 2 starters, 1 reliever
Cardinals 8, 7
Reds 5, 7
Astros 11, 6
Cubs 10, 8
Pirates 7, 6
Braves 7, 6
Nationals 9, 8
Mets 4, 7
Phillies 9, 4
Marlins 12, 10
Giants 9, 10
Rockies 4, 7
Dodgers 5, 5
Padres 9, 3
Diamondbacks 8, 13
Now that includes the studs like Sheets, and the stiffs like de la Rosa, and the guys that were traded away. But the Brewers just haven't produce ANYBODY. You can't build a whole pitching staff out of reclamation projects. The Brewers also have had about 7 saves from homegrown relievers in the last 10 years...
Since entering prison, Meiwes has become a vegetarian and has joined a prisoners' group favoring Green Party politics...
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