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Infields… The 2003 Rangers had an IF of Tex, Michael Young, ARod, and Hank Blalock. ARod was the old man at 27. Tex was a budding star, Blalock was the next George Brett, Young was beginning a string of 200 hit seasons, ARod was an MVP. Funny how thing work out.
At least they came out of it with a baseball team. The 1999 Kansas City Royals had an outfield of Jermaine Dye, Carlos Beltran and Johnny Damon, which I believe is the only time in baseball history a team has ever had three young outfielders who went on to careers of that quality. The Royals parlayed this into a string of 100-loss seasons.
The Mariners announced they are moving the left field fences in at Safeco. While it will probably increase home runs in general, does a move like this ever matter much for the home team?
... It would be interesting to know whether there is a study of this issue. Still, based on what little I know, if I were the Mariners I would be doing something to make the park more normal. I think the extreme pitcher-friendly conditions of that park have been making it difficult for their young hitters to find their place in the sun.
Hey Bill! The O’s and the A’s both came out of nowhere this year to have big seasons and make the playoffs. Which team do you think has the better chance of sustaining that success over the next few seasons?
Well, in 2004 the Detroit Tigers were playing Alex Sanchez and Nook Logan in Center Field. I asked Josh Byrnes which one of them he liked, and he said “Is neither an option?”...
Regarding a pitcher starting a post-season game after having no wins in the regular season, Virgil Trucks started two games for the Tigers in the ‘45 Series, after winning no games during the regular season because he had been in military service the entire season. He had pitched in one regular season game, getting no decision…
Thanks.
Who would you vote for if you had a vote for NL MVP?
McCutchen, but I think it is close between McCutchen and Posey. I don’t see Braun as having had similar value.
Assuming nothing crazy happens, is Miguel Cabrera’s triple crown the “worst” triple crown season ever?
... By my reckoning. . .article published some time in the last two months. ...Cabrera’s Triple Crown score is right in the middle of Triple Crown Seasons. It is less impressive than Hornsby, 1922, Foxx (1932. . .disputed inclusion), Hornsby, 1925, Gehrig, 1934, Foxx, 1933, Mantle, 1956, Medwick, 1937 or Ted Williams, 1942, but more impressive than Yaz, Frank Robinson, 1966, Chuck Klein, 1933, Lajoie, 1901, Tip O’Neill, 1887, Ted Williams, 1947, Ty Cobb, 1909, or Paul Hines, 1878.
Bah… Hines easily beats Cabrera in terms of the number of “girls badly ‘gone’ on his shape”.
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1. Downtown BookieWhile their careers weren't "of that quality", the 1973 Giants had an outfield of Gary Maddox, Bobby Bonds, and Gary Matthews. Bonds was gone after '74, Maddox in the middle of '75, and Matthews after '76. The Giants finished above .500 only once between 1974 - 1980 (inclusive).
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I'm not sure if he meant to exaggerate here, but off the top of my head, the 1994 Indians had Albert Belle, Kenny Lofton, and Manny Ramirez. Those three went on to have pretty decent careers..
Maybe Belle and Lofton weren't "young" in the sense that he means it here (both were 27), but even so I think I would take the sum total of their careers from 1994 on than those Royals guys from 1999 on.
Really? By bb-ref WAR, Yaz tied for the greatest season of all-time by a position player not named Ruth. 193 OPS+ and +23 defensively (I bet that's too high, but he was regularly in that range (Fenway?) - considered a good fielder and won a bunch of Gold gloves, including that year).
I'd say that matches, if not trumps, the Royals trio.
Also WAR and a bunch of others have Posey in a comfortable lead on McCutchen. granted i did not realize this until today, and was a bit surprised.
I'm not sure in any event why we need a Triple Crown Score to determine the Triple Crowniness of a Triple Crown, when we already have several established ways to evaluate the value of seasons.
It's interesting that, since 1901, there have only been 16 team-seasons in which a team had two future HOF players younger than 25 in their outfield simultaneously; never three. Of those, there are only 8 outfielder pairs, and that 8 counts things like Musial's 12 games in 1941.
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Guys, guys. His point was that the Royals had a young outfield that good -- and yet sucked anyway. Those Red Sox and Indians teams won.
I hear more Dylan covers than Beatles covers - the latter is a different kind of inimitable. Not 12:1, of course.
And for f's sake let's not forget that those end-times Royals had the original "party like it's 1999" sooperstar--Jeremy Giambi!
Quick--without looking it up--who did the Royals get from the A's for the Jere-meister??
I'm not sure in any event why we need a Triple Crown Score to determine the Triple Crowniness of a Triple Crown, when we already have several established ways to evaluate the value of seasons.
Hey, Bill James knows how to gild that lily...and don't you forget it.
Brett Laxton? Is that a person? I remember being dumbfounded that Beane was able to get Jeremy G for such a low price.
another opinion
Quick--without looking it up--who did the Royals get from the A's for the Jere-meister??
The Transaction Analysis write-up by Christina Kahrl for this trade is the funniest thing I ever remember reading at BP. I don't have the keys anymore over there, but it had words maybe being as exact as: "watch as the wolf approaches the slow-witted goat".
1977 Expos had Andre Dawson (22), Warren Cromartie (23), and Ellis Valentine (22), then four years later subtracted Valentine & added 21-year-old Tim Raines.
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