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Bill Madden: Weird hats are just the capper in NY Mets’ loss to San Diego Padres

President of the “Bring Back the Boater!” movement investigates.

The only thing visually different was the new marketing hats the Mets broke out, with their garish orange brims that had the look of Oriole beaks, and the funky, white-trimmed, almost indiscernible “NY” on the peak.

So, yes, it must have been the hats. You certainly can’t blame Dillon Gee for this loss. The 26-year-old righty, making his first regular-season start since last July 7, when doctors discovered a clotted artery in his shoulder, gave the Mets a third straight stellar pitching effort after Jon Niese and Matt Harvey by limiting the Padres to three hits and one run — altogether in the fourth — over 6.1 innings. Unlike Niese and Harvey, Gee did not enjoy run support that made it a laugher.

... I asked Terry Collins how this happened. How do the Mets play two games, scoring almost at will, and then come up so flat? Were they simply swinging too hard, being too aggressive, which would account for the alarming 14 strikeouts? Or was it simply those awful hats that were blinding them? (I’ll at least say this: They’re not half as bad as those goofy Mr. Met caps they wore during spring training.)

“We do like to mix things up a little,” Collins said in regard to the hats, and leaving it at that.

Repoz Posted: April 05, 2013 at 09:57 AM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. depletion Posted: April 05, 2013 at 10:32 AM (#4405122)
Good to see Gee pitch well. Niese and Gee are the grand old men of the pitching staff.
   2. billyshears Posted: April 05, 2013 at 10:40 AM (#4405127)
So, Zach Wheeler's introduction to the PCL didn't go so well, but Rafael Montero killed it in his AA debut - 5.2IP/2H/1ER/8K/0BB.
   3. catomi01 Posted: April 05, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4405172)
What he said:

“We do like to mix things up a little,” Collins said in regard to the hats, and leaving it at that.


What he meant:

“Leave me alone if you are going to ask such a dumbass question,” Collins said in regard to the hats, and leaving it at that.
   4. Conor Posted: April 05, 2013 at 11:22 AM (#4405187)
It's going to take getting used to the AAA team playing in such a hitters park this year.
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 05, 2013 at 11:28 AM (#4405193)
I don't think those hats are "weird". Ugly, yes. The Mets keep putting thin white outlines next to orange elements on their uniforms, as if orange doesn't already stand out from black or deep blue. The random white outline makes it look like it was misaligned during screenprinting, Warhol style. Here's another one where the blue logo has both an orange outline and a white outline. What?
   6. Ray (CTL) Posted: April 05, 2013 at 12:05 PM (#4405219)
I asked Terry Collins how this happened. How do the Mets play two games, scoring almost at will, and then come up so flat?


Does the faux Hall of Famer Bill Madden really not understand the answer to this question?
   7. AJMcCringleberry Posted: April 05, 2013 at 12:13 PM (#4405225)
I like the hats.
   8. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: April 05, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4405259)
I like them too. I also like the black hats in post 5.

We never had a prediction thread about the Mets season. What's the over/under on their win total this year? I'd say about 75.
   9. void*** (SC) Posted: April 05, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4405264)
What's the over/under on their win total this year?

Yankees W +/- 3
   10. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 05, 2013 at 12:58 PM (#4405266)
#8: that sounds about right.

WRT TFA, Madden's an ass.

   11. zack Posted: April 05, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4405327)
The Mets keep putting thin white outlines next to orange elements on their uniforms, as if orange doesn't already stand out from black or deep blue.


Agreed, the hats would be greatly improved by simplifying them. I do like the orange bill, though; when I buy Mets' caps I usually go for ones like that.

I'd like to see the Mr. Met batting practice cap in a real game, too.
   12. shea80 Posted: April 05, 2013 at 02:07 PM (#4405342)
What a worthless article by Madden. I could say the old hack has lost his fastball, but he never really had one to begin with.
   13. Shooty would run in but these bone spurs hurt! Posted: April 05, 2013 at 02:12 PM (#4405353)
I asked Terry Collins how this happened. How do the Mets play two games, scoring almost at will, and then come up so flat?

Fantastic. Mr. Collins, what is this base ball of which you speak...
   14. Conor Posted: April 05, 2013 at 02:18 PM (#4405366)
I've got them at 72
   15. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: April 05, 2013 at 03:34 PM (#4405487)
Agreed, the hats would be greatly improved by simplifying them. I do like the orange bill, though; when I buy Mets' caps I usually go for ones like that.


I like the hats, too. I'm generally a fan of caps with different colored brims in general, although one-color teams should never do it (Cardinals, Yankees, Tigers, Reds, etc.).
   16. Dale Sams Posted: April 05, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4405547)
Speaking of which, if anyone can direct me to the one year only 1974 Red Sox cap, I'd appreciate it.
   17. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: April 05, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4405564)
It's going to take getting used to the AAA team playing in such a hitters park this year.

They didn't move in the fences at Citi that far, did they?
   18. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 05, 2013 at 04:31 PM (#4405574)

I don't mind the orange brims. Or those black hats. It's not like we're not talking about the Miami Marlins uniforms.

The Mr. Met logo on the hat in the article looks too big, but a friend of mine has the same hat, only with a smaller logo, and I think it's pretty awesome.
   19. CrosbyBird Posted: April 05, 2013 at 05:29 PM (#4405648)
Do they sell that Mr. Met logo on a solid black hat?
   20. zack Posted: April 05, 2013 at 06:27 PM (#4405706)
Do they sell that Mr. Met logo on a solid black hat?

I could swear I've seen that (I've been looking for good Mr. Met hats for awhile), but all I can find in 5 minutes black with a blue visor. I've also seen on grey, red, or greyscale on white, but not pure black. I might be thinking of a discontinued one that you could find if you shop around.
   21. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 05, 2013 at 07:34 PM (#4405764)
Frick and ####. It these Mets are going to pleasantly surprise any time soon, it's going to be by pitching extremely well, and hitting just enough to win these low scoring games.

Get a ####### outfield, already.

I don't think those hats are "weird". Ugly, yes. The Mets keep putting thin white outlines next to orange elements on their uniforms, as if orange doesn't already stand out from black or deep blue. The random white outline makes it look like it was misaligned during screenprinting, Warhol style. Here's another one where the blue logo has both an orange outline and a white outline. What?


Agree generally, but hat you linked to is actually nicely done. It's hard to give the impression of depth on a hat, or cause the logo to pop out, but that's well done here.

We never had a prediction thread about the Mets season. What's the over/under on their win total this year? I'd say about 75.


Let's see. 74 wins in 2012 with a Pythag of 75.

Worsening:

Half a season of Santana--probably better than what replaces it.
Dickey's Cy season--big drop off coming.
Probably lose at least a little compared to Wright's best season in five years.
Lost three wins with Torres and Hairston departing. I don't see the current OF replacing that.
No in-season upgrades through trades likely.
A lot of injuries already.
Mets medical staff.
Niese's career suggests more downside than upside versus last year, but he might pleasantly surprise.
Can the pen be worse? That's actually possible.

Bettering:

More Harvey, which will be awesome.
Maybe 2/3 of seasons from Wheeler and D'Arnaud. 2 wins apiece wouldn't surprise me, though that's obviously optimistic.
Maybe more of Gee.
Ike Davis might be a little better.
I'd be fine if Murphy and Tejada repeated their 2012s, but I think what we saw was their best.

The above suggests 70 wins. I would like to be wrong.

---------------------------

Odd. Bill Madden refers to the Mets as one of several 'broken, aging teams' at http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/madden-broken-aging-teams-sing-harmony-article-1.1303441?pgno=1

Sad to say, these Mets aren't particularly young.

   22. Dan Posted: April 06, 2013 at 12:48 AM (#4406023)
Speaking of which, if anyone can direct me to the one year only 1974 Red Sox cap, I'd appreciate it.


The Red Sox hat I wear is the 1975 model with the Red Hat, Navy B and brim. Is the '74 one you're referring to that weird one with just the red front panel? I'm sure you can find a retro cap vendor that sells them.
   23. Dan Evensen Posted: April 06, 2013 at 06:47 AM (#4406047)
Speaking of which, if anyone can direct me to the one year only 1974 Red Sox cap, I'd appreciate it.

I'm guessing the hat worn in these photos is the one you're referring to. There's a bit more talk about this in this discussion, as well as on this website.

I haven't had any luck, unfortunately. The closest I could find was this website, which redirects to nothing. There's nothing on Ebay, and I can't find any other sellers on Google.

By the way, I don't see what's wrong with the hat in TFA, nor the hat in #5. I've seen much worse.
   24. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 06, 2013 at 11:38 AM (#4406104)
The vintage cap masters at Cooperstown Ballcap Co. ceased to exist a couple years ago. Their new heirs, the Ideal Cap Co., have a much smaller catalog and are more worried about trademark disputes, so they don't have any hats containing any logos of currently existing US teams. They do have this, though.

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