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Wednesday, April 09, 2014

Billy Hamilton scores on infield popup

It’s ridiculous that this can happen at the major league level.

It's a shame about Athletic Supporter Posted: April 09, 2014 at 04:40 PM | 60 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: billy hamilton, cardinals, infield fly, reds

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   1. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:30 PM (#4683322)
Nooo, facebook link!

As for the play, poor job by the fielder, but Hamilton is really, really fast.
   2. smileyy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4683326)
So, the popup is out of the infield, and caught by an outfielder. That makes it an infield popup...how?
   3. Danny Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4683329)
   4. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:40 PM (#4683331)
Rule 2.00, in pertinent part, states: "An INFIELD FLY is a fair fly ball (not including a line drive nor an attempted bunt) which can be caught by an infielder with ordinary effort, when first and second, or first, second and third bases are occupied, before two are out."
   5. The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4683338)
That's pretty good, #3, but Hamilton's scoring is actually more impressive. That was a deep fly ball and the Centerfielder was going in the wrong direction to get the ball back in. Hamilton scored on a popup maybe 15 feet beyond the infield dirt where the fielder should have been able to set himself to throw home immediately.
   6. Jeltzandini Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:52 PM (#4683343)
Terrible throw, but yeah. In the words of Jeff Spicoli, all right Hamilton!

New plate-blocking rules helped too.
   7. Danny Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4683346)
Oh, definitely.
   8. base ball chick Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4683347)
i watched michael bourn score from second on a lance berkman flyout to shallow center at the Box. but this one was GREAT. and jon jay does NOT have what you might could call a "gun"
   9. smileyy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4683348)
[4] Ah, right.
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 05:58 PM (#4683354)
Jay screwed up... he never positioned himself for the throw... mind you, it's one of those plays where you don't think you have to position yourself..

Still impressive by Hamilton no matter what.
   11. JRVJ Posted: April 09, 2014 at 06:15 PM (#4683361)
As a fan of baseball who enjoyed the late 70s through mid 80s, I LIKE the fact that you have a blazer reminiscent of my youthful memories.
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 06:21 PM (#4683365)
As a fan of baseball who enjoyed the late 70s through mid 80s, I LIKE the fact that you have a blazer reminiscent of my youthful memories.


Cardinal announcers today said "The Reds have two players, that when they show up you stop what you are doing to watch them. Chapman and Hamilton." (paraphrase of course...and also threw the word electric out there)

Have to agree, I have bad mouth Hamilton all season long(yes a full week or and a half) but any baseball fan has to hope it works out for him. (I just think the Reds should remove the pressure from him and bat him ninth....although he did have a good game today)
   13. joeysdadjoe Posted: April 09, 2014 at 06:21 PM (#4683366)
I saw McGee and Ozzie score on a sac fly in the 80's with the Cardinals. As you guys know there was a faster guy on that team.
   14. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 09, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4683375)
I saw McGee and Ozzie score on a sac fly in the 80's with the Cardinals. As you guys know there was a faster guy on that team.
Lonnie Smith? Vince Coleman wasn't there yet.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4683382)
I honestly don't think Coleman was faster than McGee, just more aggressive and willing to use his speed.
   16. PreservedFish Posted: April 09, 2014 at 06:43 PM (#4683384)
Vince Coleman wasn't there yet.


In the 80's?
   17. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 09, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4683386)
In the 80's?
Not in the 1982 World Series.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: April 09, 2014 at 06:52 PM (#4683390)
Ok Mister Pedanticpants.
   19. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:14 PM (#4683409)
There should be a comma between Ok and Mister Pedanticpants.
   20. cardsfanboy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:19 PM (#4683417)
Ok Mister Pedanticpants.


Not sure how he can be pedantic....nobody ever said world series, just the 80's.. and Coleman was on the Cardinals in the 80's. (unless something was edited out)

   21. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:31 PM (#4683424)
Did McGee and Ozzie both score on more than one sac fly?
   22. McCoy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:39 PM (#4683429)
There should be a comma between Ok and Mister Pedanticpants.

Shouldn't there also be a hyphen?
   23. bfan Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4683441)
No, Hamilton scored on a fly to short right field. It is admirable, but this would be like someone saying Pete Rose had a 60 game hitting streak. No, it was 44. 44 is good enough on its merits; no need to embellish it, to impress. So was this; he scored on a shallow fly to the outfield; that is all.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4683442)
Did McGee and Ozzie both score on more than one sac fly?


No. But if you were being pedantic as accused, the comment never actually stated on one sacrifice fly. :) (although I guess the one should have been assumed by context)

The Cardinals had two score on a sacrifice fly in 2009 (Schumaker/Rasmus on a Pujols drive) but none in between game 4 of the '82 series.

   25. esseff Posted: April 09, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4683445)
Here's the two-run sacrifice fly in the 1982 World Series. Gorman Thomas falling had something to do with it.
   26. bobm Posted: April 09, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4683451)
[25] Daytime World Series games were great.
   27. Karl from NY Posted: April 09, 2014 at 08:46 PM (#4683469)
Link bait headline. This wasn't an infield popup. The right fielder caught it. It came down fifteen feet beyond where the second baseman got to.

And #18-19 is the best internet exchange ever.
   28. The Duke Posted: April 09, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4683477)
meh. Cool Papa Bell turned off the lights and got into bed before the lights went out.
   29. JE (Jason) Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:06 PM (#4683479)
Jay screwed up... he never positioned himself for the throw... mind you, it's one of those plays where you don't think you have to position yourself..

Yeah, I really doubt Hamilton takes off from third absent Jay catching the ball on his heels just after his momentum took him toward center field.
   30. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:09 PM (#4683483)
This Hamilton kid seems to have pretty good speed.
   31. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:24 PM (#4683494)
Gorman Thomas had a bum knee in September and through the playoffs/world series. that is why he fell down. his bad knee buckled and also why he couldn't get anything on the throw

that and Thomas was playing ridiculously deep to compensate for his bum knee. and even healthy Thomas wasn't much of a centerfielder

so scoring from second on a sac fly in that scenario really is not that impressive
   32. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 09, 2014 at 09:31 PM (#4683496)
It would have been easier for Hamilton to score had the second baseman caught the pop-up (which he could have easily done), since his momentum would have been carrying him away from the infield. And presumably, he doesn't have any better arm than Jay.
   33. jdennis Posted: April 09, 2014 at 10:03 PM (#4683521)
I remember, on the video game, I scored from second with Kenny Lofton on a routine infield grounder.
   34. Gamingboy Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:20 PM (#4683555)

I remember, on the video game, I scored from second with Kenny Lofton on a routine infield grounder.


I once was fooling around the difficulty settings on some game (might have been the MVP series) and I did something similar once.
   35. theboyqueen Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:29 PM (#4683562)
I don't really see a terrible play by the right fielder there, maybe somewhat suboptimal but certainly within the realm of normal. Dude's just fast.
   36. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:42 PM (#4683567)
so scoring from second on a sac fly in that scenario really is not that impressive


I remember watching that game. I was impressed.
   37. Poster Nutbag Posted: April 09, 2014 at 11:55 PM (#4683569)
Sorry, but that Billy Burns play was really, really good too. It wasn't even that close. Yes, I realize the CF had his back turned, but it's still pretty damn impressive.
   38. neilsen Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:29 AM (#4683578)
Willie Mays scored twice on infield pop ups - once in May of 1959 and once in May 1961. In the game in 1959 he also stole two bases
   39. DKDC Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:39 AM (#4683581)
Did MLB shorten their highlight vids this year? It seems like the old clips wold have the play and then stick with the broadcast for the replay, but all of the highlights I've watched this year seem to end so abruptly.
   40. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:21 AM (#4683585)
A few things....

1) I totally thought I was going to see something astounding when I clicked through. I expected to see Hamilton HIT the popup and run like a gazelle around the bases and score because the 2B or something dropped the ball. So, I was seriously disappointed even though what DID happen was pretty cool.

2) I remember a number of years back when Chone Figgins (I think?) scored from 2nd on a sacrifice fly for the Halos - it was a game winner in extra innings, I think. Or it was Erstad scoring from 2nd on a wild pitch to end a game, but I'm remembering something like that. Shredder? AROM? Any help there?

3) #39 - I have noticed the same thing. I thought that it was likely just because of Spring Training, then they continued to be truncated in the regular season. It's not a bit deal, but it seems much less polished.
   41. God Posted: April 10, 2014 at 01:30 AM (#4683587)
And then there was this famous play from August 1988.
   42. TDF, situational idiot Posted: April 10, 2014 at 08:24 AM (#4683638)
Willie Mays scored twice on infield pop ups - once in May of 1959 and once in May 1961. In the game in 1959 he also stole two bases
But did he lead the game off with a triple? Hamilton did all 3 yesterday.
   43. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 10, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4683718)
#41 - Youtube is blocked for me, but is that Alfredo Griffin? I watched a game once where he scored from second on an infield fly or a grounder.
   44. McCoy Posted: April 10, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4683719)
Gibson
   45. Rants Mulliniks Posted: April 10, 2014 at 10:41 AM (#4683725)
Here's the MLB.com link for Hamilton's exploits in that game, the scoring play is at about 1:05.

Billy Hamilton is fast
   46. theboyqueen Posted: April 10, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4683738)
Here's the MLB.com link for Hamilton's exploits in that game, the scoring play is at about 1:05.

Billy Hamilton is fast


Wow, that whole vid is freaking awesome.
   47. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4683748)
Seconded.
   48. Justin T steals bases with his bat Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:09 AM (#4683750)
You must not have had the audio on.
   49. kingj01 Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4683755)
#40 - Maybe you're thinking of Vlad scoring from second on a Bengie Molina sac bunt in 2005? That was in extras against the White Sox. September 9th on this list.

http://losangeles.angels.mlb.com/multimedia/tp_archive.jsp?c_id=ana&ym=200509
   50. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4683776)
#41 - Youtube is blocked for me, but is that Alfredo Griffin?


I wouldn't mention an Alfredo Griffin sighting around here. I hear there's a guy who's looking for him and means him harm.
   51. Snowboy Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4683787)
Here's the MLB.com link for Hamilton's exploits in that game, the scoring play is at about 1:05.

Billy Hamilton is fast


Just Hamilton being Hambletonian.
   52. Morton's Fork Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:50 AM (#4683792)
No love for Jackie Bacon Junior scoring from first base on Ortiz' single just a week ago? this is a strip not a link
   53. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4683798)
I once saw Paul Konerko score from second base on a double off the right center field wall.
   54. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: April 10, 2014 at 11:59 AM (#4683803)
Funny, Voros.
   55. neilsen Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4683828)
But did he lead the game off with a triple? Hamilton did all 3 yesterday.

GIANTS 4TH: Mays tripled to right; Kirkland struck out; Cepeda
walked; Spencer hit a sacrifice fly to second [Mays scored];
Cepeda stole second; Rodgers lined to left; 1 R, 1 H, 0 E, 1
LOB. Dodgers 2, Giants 1.
   56. theboyqueen Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:31 PM (#4683829)
You must not have had the audio on.


You are correct!
   57. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: April 10, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4683851)
I remember, on the video game, I scored from second with Kenny Lofton on a routine infield grounder.

My favorite thing to do in a baseball video game is having the RF throw out the runner at first on an otherwise routine ground ball to the outfield.
   58. alilisd Posted: April 10, 2014 at 08:07 PM (#4684155)
This Hamilton kid seems to have pretty good speed.


I've heard he's a threat to steal a base here and there.
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: April 10, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4684170)
By that 4th run(his second of the game) the Cardinals were treating him like baserunners treat a great arm in the outfield...not even bother trying.
   60. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 06, 2014 at 11:35 PM (#4701774)
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