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Thursday, January 23, 2014

Billy Joel coming to Nats Park, Mike Rizzo is a fan

Seen the Lights Go Out on Michael Broadway…

The Washington Nationals, in partnership with Live Nation, announced on Thursday in a press conference at Nats Park that Grammy-winner Billy Joel will perform at the stadium on July 26. After headlining the first ever concert at the venue in 2009, Joel is back for another summer stop.

The event was announced just 24 hours prior and featured Nationals general manager Mike Rizzo, as well as D.C.’s deputy mayor Victor Hoskins. The Billy Joel part was kept as a surprise for a full day before Hoskins revealed the news.

Rizzo was in attendance to represent the team, but also as a fan of Joel. He made a brief speech on stage after Hoskins spoke.

Here is what he said:

  I’m just so excited to have Billy Joel back at Nationals Park. Not only is he a Hall of Fame-caliber entertainer, I just like the fact that he’s a very attractive bald man with a goatee. We gotta stick together.

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   1. Graham Posted: January 23, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4645317)
The Nats are going to shut down Joel after the first set to preserve his vocal cords. The evidence is in Mike Rizzo's binder.
   2. Nasty Nate Posted: January 23, 2014 at 06:09 PM (#4645324)
   3. PreservedFish Posted: January 23, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4645336)
Do you ever go through that thing where you hate a musician/band, really hate them, and then you start to see them as humorous, and as a result you start loudly singing along when you hear the songs, and this continues for a little while, and then maybe you actually acquire some of their music to play at select times, and then maybe you listen by yourself just to chuckle, and at some point you cannot tell if you're still being ironic or if you actually like them? That's happening with me and Billy Joel.
   4. andrewberg Posted: January 23, 2014 at 06:27 PM (#4645339)
Billy Joel was my first concert. I loved We Didn't Start the Fire as a little kid and looked up all of the things he name dropped in my elementary school's World Book encyclopedias. I saw him again a few years later with Elton John and he was much better vocally and as a piano player than Elton.
   5. Gonfalon B. Posted: January 23, 2014 at 07:34 PM (#4645379)
   6. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 23, 2014 at 08:10 PM (#4645387)
I liked Billy Joel enough when he was breaking but acquired the most obnoxious (by too many orders of magnitude) roommate. Benny** played my copy of Piano Man and bellowed at the the top of his lungs to the songs. That was the initial turnoff. Then with his whiny songs like "Big Shot" and "Still Rock and Roll To Me", BJ became "how fast can I change stations" artist for me.

** His singing "Benny and the Jets" was far worse than "Piano Man".
   7. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 23, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4645391)
Billy Joel coming to Nats Park, Mike Rizzo is a fan


False. Nobody is a Billy Joel fan. The only Billy Joel fans are ex-Billy Joel fans. Because they're dead, or reformed.

That's happening with me and Billy Joel.


RESIST. THIS IS IMPORTANT.
   8. Kurt Posted: January 23, 2014 at 08:27 PM (#4645393)
The Nats are going to shut down Joel after the first set to preserve his vocal cords. The evidence is in Mike Rizzo's binder.


Is the evidence Joel's New Year's Eve performance?
   9. John DiFool2 Posted: January 23, 2014 at 08:52 PM (#4645400)
Do you ever go through that thing where you hate a musician/band, really hate them, and then you start to see them as humorous, and as a result you start loudly singing along when you hear the songs, and this continues for a little while, and then maybe you actually acquire some of their music to play at select times, and then maybe you listen by yourself just to chuckle, and at some point you cannot tell if you're still being ironic or if you actually like them? That's happening with me and Billy Joel.


Believe me, I know exactly how you feel. I always thought of him as a hack who considered himself half-again as clever as he actually was. Turns out, after a year of DLing some of his stuff, the sonofagun does have a way with melodies. But the only way I'll ever listen to any of the songs off of his Glass Houses album is if someone holds a gun to my head (I mean the line has to be drawn somewhere)...
   10. I Helped Patrick McGoohan Escape Posted: January 23, 2014 at 09:43 PM (#4645413)
I'm really only interested if he dusts off some Attila material.
   11. Kurt Posted: January 23, 2014 at 09:54 PM (#4645417)
Glass Houses is tremendous.

nooooo noo noo noo noo noo noo ALL For Layna!
   12. frannyzoo Posted: January 23, 2014 at 10:04 PM (#4645420)
Do you ever go through that thing where you hate a musician/band, really hate them, and then you start to see them as humorous, and as a result you start loudly singing along when you hear the songs, and this continues for a little while, and then maybe you actually acquire some of their music to play at select times, and then maybe you listen by yourself just to chuckle, and at some point you cannot tell if you're still being ironic or if you actually like them? That's happening with me and Billy Joel.


In various circles this is known as "Steely Dan Syndrome," "Beach Boys, really, 'Pet Sounds' is the Holy Grail of pop music, honest Disorder," or a panoply of mental incongruities known simply as "Pavement."
   13. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 23, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4645422)
The Nats have a way about them.
   14. Lassus Posted: January 23, 2014 at 10:10 PM (#4645423)
I loved We Didn't Start the Fire as a little kid

Seek help. There may still be time.

Joel had his time, and did amazing work as a songwriter of a particular time and place. The time and place passed, but he did not; he was not the first, last, or worst in committing this sin.

OK, he might have been the worst.
   15. Srul Itza Posted: January 23, 2014 at 10:29 PM (#4645428)
Hey, all you "too cool for school" hipster primates:

You don't like him, don't listen to him.

de gustibus non est disputandum

   16. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 23, 2014 at 10:30 PM (#4645429)
Joel had his time, and did amazing work as a songwriter of a particular time and place. The time and place passed, but he did not; he was not the first, last, or worst in committing this sin.


Billy Joel didn't start the fire, Lassus. It was always burnin', since the world's been turnin'.
   17. TerpNats Posted: January 23, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4645449)
Does this mean "A Matter Of Trust" will be the Nats' seventh-inning song, following "Take Me Out To The Ballgame"? (If we can't have "Cynical Girl" by Marshall Crenshaw, that's the next best thing.)
   18. Chris Fluit Posted: January 23, 2014 at 11:39 PM (#4645452)
Do you ever go through that thing where you hate a musician/band, really hate them, and then you start to see them as humorous, and as a result you start loudly singing along when you hear the songs, and this continues for a little while, and then maybe you actually acquire some of their music to play at select times, and then maybe you listen by yourself just to chuckle, and at some point you cannot tell if you're still being ironic or if you actually like them? That's happening with me and Billy Joel.

Yes. The Black-Eyed Peas.
   19. I Helped Patrick McGoohan Escape Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:16 AM (#4645459)
If we can't have "Cynical Girl" by Marshall Crenshaw, that's the next best thing.


Why just one when you can have "Girls..."?
   20. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:06 AM (#4645475)
I'm trying my best to like at least one song by all famous recording acts no matter how crappy most of their songs seem. For example I've managed to like "Red" by Sammy Hagar. So far I've failed with Boston. With Billy Joel, I've tried to like:

Piano Man
Ballad of Billy the Kid
Captain Jack
The Entertainer
Say Goodbye to Hollywood
NY State of Mind
Angry Young Man
The Stranger
Scenes from an Italian Restaurant
Only the Good Die Young
It's Still Rock and Roll to Me
Uptown Girl

I'm running out of ideas. He seems a lot worse than Elton John.
   21. Belfry Bob Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:51 AM (#4645479)
Ah...as soon as I saw the thread, I knew I could count on lots of hip guys telling me how much I should hate Billy Joel and how awful he is - it's like being on line with Woody Allen in Annie Hall as he listens to the media professor drone on about television as a cool medium.
   22. Nasty Nate Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:00 AM (#4645560)
Hey, all you "too cool for school" hipster primates:

You don't like him, don't listen to him.


Disliking Billy Joel doesn't mean you are a hipster, it means you have a soul.
   23. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4645562)
I like Billy Joel. I wouldn't describe myself as a "fan" but I enjoy his music and often sing along when it comes on my radio.
   24. cardsfanboy Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:12 AM (#4645571)
OK, he might have been the worst.


In a world in which Aerosmith produced any "music"(and by music, I mean the sound of two cats tied in a sack and imitating the remaining vocal cords of stephen tyler) after 1986....he cannot ever take that title away.

Ah...as soon as I saw the thread, I knew I could count on lots of hip guys telling me how much I should hate Billy Joel and how awful he is - it's like being on line with Woody Allen in Annie Hall as he listens to the media professor drone on about television as a cool medium.


I have the worst musical tastes on this site and I love Billy Joel....I know I'm a blight on musical taste throughout the world...but I like what I like.
   25. GregD Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM (#4645574)
In a world in which Aerosmith produced any "music"(and by music, I mean the sound of two cats tied in a sack and imitating the remaining vocal cords of stephen tyler) after 1986....he cannot ever take that title away.
Wait, there are people who don't like Aerosmith?
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4645576)
With Billy Joel, I've tried to like:

Piano Man
Ballad of Billy the Kid
Captain Jack
The Entertainer
Say Goodbye to Hollywood
NY State of Mind
Angry Young Man
The Stranger
Scenes from an Italian Restaurant
Only the Good Die Young
It's Still Rock and Roll to Me
Uptown Girl

I'm running out of ideas.


Try one of his early albums. Maybe Turnstiles.
   27. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4645577)
I want to emphasize, I am about as far from a hipster as you can get. (I get accused of this when noticing that Led Zeppelin sucks balls, too.) Most people, I think, in their heart of hearts, know this music is terrible, and the only way they can defend it is to go ad hominem against people who don't like it.

But Billy Joel sucks. A lot. He's an incurable narcissist, he has a thin, obnoxious voice, and a great deal of his music as a drippy, saccharine quality that makes me wonder if a cotton candy factory burned down somewhere.

Remember: NOT A HIPSTER. Just a person with ears.
   28. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4645580)
I've grown to dislike Billy Joel more as I've gotten older. I'm not sure why that is but there ya go. I've had the opposite evolution with people like Tom Petty or Willie Nelson (who I freakin love now) and even disco music and some new wave stuff like Human League which I thought was a joke at the time but have come to enjoy. Billy Joel just makes my skin crawl, though.
   29. Swoboda is freedom Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4645581)
OK, he might have been the worst.

Not as long as Bon Jovi still breathes.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4645587)
Wait, there are people who don't like Aerosmith?


Those with working ears and doesn't like to have them bleed. Toys in the Attic was awesome....but Tyler lost his voice and sounds like a caterwauling banshee.
   31. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4645589)
I like We Didn't Start the Fire. Always have, ever since encountering the video on MTV back when it was a hit.

Just one of those glitches; I'm pretty sure my hipster cred is otherwise as intact as it can be for a 54-year-old whose fave bands include Joy Division, Wire, Mekons, The Fall, etc. etc. etc.

Would I go see Billy Joel play? Only if I owned a functioning flamethrower.

Off the top of my head, probably every act named in this thread other than Tom Petty, Willie Nelson (not my cup of tea, but not a crime against humanity or anything), Marshall Crenshaw & the Human League ("Being Boiled," people!) should be destroyed, along with anyone involved in fattening their wallets.
   32. cardsfanboy Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:34 AM (#4645592)
Only if I owned a functioning flamethrower.


So you are saying, You plan to start the fire? :)
   33. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4645596)
Somebody has to, I suppose.
   34. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4645597)
Asked this once before but no real answer. Hipsters can ignore :)

In Scenes From an Italian Restaurant, Brenda and Eddie are still going steady in the summer of 75. They get married in July. They bought a bunch of stuff but started to fight, and got divorced. Then comes the lyric "Brenda and Eddie had had it already by the summer of 75". I don't get it, he seems to be saying that they had had it already before they even got married.

Thoughts?
   35. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4645605)
I would say it's calculated nihilism, but that's more a Springsteen move.*

*one of many reasons why Springsteen doesn't suck nearly as much as Billy Joel**


**Billy Joel sucks†

†SUCKS, I TELL YOU! SUCKS!!!
   36. Kurt Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4645606)
Their lives peaked in the summer of '75. They had it already, and had nowhere to go but down. Or something like that, maybe, I dunno.
   37. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:53 AM (#4645608)
Piano Man
Ballad of Billy the Kid
Captain Jack
The Entertainer
Say Goodbye to Hollywood
NY State of Mind
Angry Young Man
The Stranger
Scenes from an Italian Restaurant
Only the Good Die Young
It's Still Rock and Roll to Me
Uptown Girl


I like "Movin' Out".
   38. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:54 AM (#4645609)
You don't like him, don't listen to him.

As long as I am in my Mom's basement, I don't. But I do leave my Mom's basement a lot, and can't seem to get everyone to agree with me that BJ should not be played in my presence.
   39. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4645614)
Once I was coming home on the Queens-bound E train at 4:00 in the morning. The subway car was basically empty but for me and this passed out disheveled drunk across from me. We're entering my stop and just as the train is slowing down, the drunk jumps up at of his stupor and looks at me sharply.

"A bottle of red...A bottle of white....Billy Joel is a genius," he screams at me. "How the f#ck did he know?!'

   40. Rants Mulliniks Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4645615)
I love "For the Longest Time", it is a wonderfully melodic tune. I also like Allentown a lot.
   41. GregD Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:04 PM (#4645618)
I love "For the Longest Time", it is a wonderfully melodic tune. I also like Allentown a lot.
Yes For the Longest Time is okay. People in Allentown hate "Allentown" even more than they hate Allentown.
   42. PreservedFish Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:25 PM (#4645630)
I don't think you people have a damn idea what or who hipsters are. Hipsters reclaim shitty things. They reclaimed Pabst, they reclaimed Hall & Oates, they reclaimed grandma glasses, they reclaimed shuffleboard. Billy Joel is right up their alley!

Scoffing at Billy Joel does not make you a hipster, in fact I think the opposite might be closer to the truth.
   43. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:46 PM (#4645641)
"Don't need to know what cool is; it's in my blood" -- Red Rockers, "Teenage Underground"

(And it sure as hell doesn't involve Pabst, Hall & Oates, grandma glasses &/or shuffleboard.)
   44. NTP Nate Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4645644)
Billy Joel, like most everything else in recorded history, was good at first but then he went too far.*

*I have an inexplicable, indefensible fondness for Downeaster Alexa. It's catchy.
   45. BDC Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:50 PM (#4645645)
"Piano Man" has maudlin, campy lyrics, but I actually enjoy playing it on the piano (appropriately). "For the Longest Time," yes. Heck, I sort of like "Uptown Girl" and "Tell Her about It." Unironically!

Most of the songwriters in the pantheon of Overplayed Pop Music did their share of good stuff. Elton John wrote "Don't Let the Sun Go Down on Me," John Denver wrote "Leaving on a Jet Plane," Neil Diamond wrote "I'm a Believer," Barry Manilow … well, at least he produced The Divine Miss M, which should put him in heaven eventually.

This does not mean that they should continue to play these songs every ####### time you walk into a supermarket.
   46. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4645646)
Greasers are cool Socs are not!
   47. PreservedFish Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4645647)
I like Elton John's Tumbleweed Connection a lot. And some of the radio hits are good too. I think he's legitimately better than Billy Joel. Billy Joel is like the king of lame, I enjoy him, but my god is he lame.
   48. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4645648)
they reclaimed Hall & Oates


Is this true?!
   49. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4645651)
I like Elton John's Tumbleweed Connection a lot


Me too.

I have a weakness for some of his hits as well. I mean how can you not sing along to Tiny Dancer?

re: Billy Joel. I find your answer to the question Who do you like more? Billy Joel or James Taylor? is telling.
   50. PreservedFish Posted: January 24, 2014 at 12:58 PM (#4645655)
   51. dlf Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:00 PM (#4645658)
I'm glad to have reached the age where I really don't care what other people think of my choices in artists, actors, and musicians. And yes, I have "Songs in the Attic" playing while I type this.
   52. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4645659)
Their lives peaked in the summer of '75. They had it already, and had nowhere to go but down. Or something like that, maybe, I dunno.

So, "had had it already" doesn't mean that they are fed up, it means that they already had everything they ever would by that time? I guess I could buy that.
   53. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4645662)
I have a weakness for some his hits as well. I mean how can you not sing along to Tiny Dancer?


I like some of the mid-'70s radio hits from when I was a kid. "Island Girl" (I think it's called) comes immediately to mind.
   54. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4645663)
I'm glad to have reached the age where I really don't care what other people think of my choices in artists, actors, and musicians.

Yes, it's a great feeling. I think I reached that younger than most folks, probably before (I'm 42 now).

As long as my wife still likes me, and somebody is willing to employee me, I don't really care what other people think of me.
   55. Srul Itza Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:12 PM (#4645666)
Disliking Billy Joel doesn't mean you are a hipster, it means you have a soul.



Blah, blah, blah
   56. Srul Itza Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:17 PM (#4645670)
As long as my wife still likes me, and somebody is willing to employee me, I don't really care what other people think of me.


Way too conditional.

All that should ever matter is what you think of you.
   57. Kurt Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4645671)
So, "had had it already" doesn't mean that they are fed up, it means that they already had everything they ever would by that time? I guess I could buy that.


I'm sure it's not "had it" as in fed up. Maybe the line is actually "had it all ready"? As in, all their ducks were lined in a row for a "perfect" life, and then it fell apart? Though I think my first guess is more likely.

Coincidentally, I downloaded the song for Rock Band 3 the other night and am looking forward to belting it out while my kids look on in horror.
   58. My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4645677)
I'm glad to have reached the age where I really don't care what other people think of my choices in artists, actors, and musicians.


have you reached a point where you've stopped trying to discover new artists? I still buy music singles, but the recent full-length albums I've purchased recently were by musicians I'm familiar with, like QOTSA and Dave Grohl (Sound City). However, purchasing the Red Hot Chili Peppers (poor) last album is an indicator that this is not the way to go.
   59. Lassus Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4645680)
I like We Didn't Start the Fire. Always have, ever since encountering the video on MTV back when it was a hit.

I actually like a LOT of Joel's output. But this song is so, so, so awful IMO. I'm flabbergasted that anyone likes it at all. Maybe it's R.E.M.'s fault.
   60. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:24 PM (#4645681)
have you reached a point where you've stopped trying to discover new artists? I still buy music singles, but the recent full-length albums I've purchased recently were by musicians I'm familiar with, like QOTSA and Dave Grohl (Sound City). However, purchasing the Red Hot Chili Peppers (poor) last album is an indicator that this is not the way to go.


I ran into that around 5 years ago, but I still try to keep an ear out for newer acts I might like. Not sure what the last recently released album I bought was -- probably Cults' second. I liked the first one quite a bit better, though, at least so far.
   61. PreservedFish Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4645683)
All that should ever matter is what you think of you.


This seems like a dangerously anti-social path to tread, one that ends at morbid obesity and the public wearing of sweatpants.

I've reached a point where I have confidence in my own tastes and knowledge - if I haven't seen or heard or read something, I feel no compulsion to try and cover up my ignorance, because I know I more than make it up on other subjects. I don't hide guilty pleasures, I don't feel peer pressure. But I still like to make a good impression on people, I still like other people to like and respect me, and I feel like that is a good impulse in lots of ways. My family inspires me to be a better person, and that's a good thing.
   62. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4645686)
But this song is so, so, so awful IMO. I'm flabbergasted that anyone likes it at all. Maybe it's R.E.M.'s fault.


Might be. Or it might be the post-Depression U.S. historian in me. Or (as I've mentioned before) the irresistibleness to me of any song that mentions both Malcolm X & Little Rock.
   63. Lassus Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:26 PM (#4645687)
My name is Votto, and I love to get blotto

Repoz might remember Blotto.
   64. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4645688)
My family inspires me to be a better person, and that's a good thing.


My family is a bunch of cats. That battle has been fought & lost.
   65. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4645689)
Repoz might remember Blotto.


Pretty sure I've got the CD. God help me.

"I'm a Lifeguard," or something like that, IIRC, though offhand I can't remember the song itself. I seriously doubt it compared very well to the Suburban Lawns' "I'm a Janitor," though.
   66. robinred Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4645691)
I enjoyed Post #1.
   67. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4645692)
Google corrects me: It's actually "I Wanna be a Lifeguard." (And I don't think "I'm a" was part of the Suburban Lawns' song title, either.)

Probably not a patch on "I Wanna be an Anglepoise Lamp," of course.
   68. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4645694)
I don't hide guilty pleasures

OK, confession time. I hate Barbra Streisand but I really like her rendition of "Stony End".

Where does one go upon being banished from BBTF?
   69. Kurt Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:30 PM (#4645695)
You mean "I wanna be a lifeguard"?

I...I...I...wanna be a LIFEGUARD!
I...I...I wanna GUARD YOUR LIFE!

edit: gef, you beat me to it.
   70. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:33 PM (#4645699)
Where does one go upon being banished from BBTF?


To one's spinster aunt's basement?

Don't worry, Edmundo -- I like Whitney Houston's "I Will Always Love You" &, even worse, Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On." I'm pretty sure no worse crimes exist.
   71. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4645701)
I saw Billy Joel when he played at Wrigley with Elton John the first time around. He had this flyswatter that he kept swinging around in between songs. I didn't get it.

So I'm working my way through albums from the 70's to try to get a better appreciation for the decade, because right now, it's my least-favorite musical decade post-1960 (I'd go 90s-00s-80s-60s-70s). From the 70s, I've liked Patti Smith, Terry Allen, Nine Days Wonder, Kraftwerk, Joy Division, Television, Springsteen, Flamin' Groovies, Abba, Fleetwood Mac, & Bowie. I'm listening to Tim Buckley's Starsailor but it's a bit too jazzy for my tastes (in short, I like Jeff better).

What else should I be listening to from the 70s to get a better appreciation for the decade?
   72. robinred Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:35 PM (#4645703)
Where does one go upon being banished from BBTF?


I don't think that appreciating some of Babs' vocals would lead to that. If you are secretly into Nickelback, though, you are in trouble.
   73. Kurt Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4645708)
What else should I be listening to from the 70s to get a better appreciation for the decade?


If you like Abba, then Bee Gees for sure. Also Elton John's older albums if you're not already familiar.
   74. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:42 PM (#4645709)
What else should I be listening to from the 70s to get a better appreciation for the decade?


Class-of-'77 UK punk, I'd say, if it's anywhere near your wheelhouse -- all the usual suspects (Pistols, Clash, Damned), plus the Adverts, Rezillos, Eater, X-Ray Spex, etc.

Early '70s glam, most obviously T Rex & Bowie. Probably also Roxy Music & Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel; that "probably" is because I know those two acts only by certain soundtrack cuts.

Also Sparks, who were (& I guess still are) sui generis.

Lou Reed, of course. Early proto-postpunk like Pere Ubu & Devo. Also actual earlyish postpunk like Wire, the Banshees, the Cure, etc.

Cheap Trick's first 3 albums are darned good.
   75. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4645717)
And lots & lots of r'n'b & funk.
   76. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:52 PM (#4645720)
I'm confused as to why people get emotional about the musical tastes of others.

Why should I care if you like some band I think sucks? There's no objective standard for evaluating music. You can't really be wrong in what you enjoy.
   77. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:55 PM (#4645728)
Definitely give Roxy Music and spinoffs, Brian Eno solo and 801, a good listen. I love the Bryan Ferry cover albums but I think that would be for a narrow set of tastes.

I just had to look up Do the Strand to get out of my postprandial stupor.
   78. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 24, 2014 at 01:56 PM (#4645731)
have you reached a point where you've stopped trying to discover new artists?

I have a heavy leaning towards rock with a pop feel, so bands like Styx, Journey, Bon Jovi, Def Leppard, etc. Also care way, way more about how the music sounds than the actual lyrics.

Can't stand Nirvana and the whole grunge movement meant that I probably didn't buy any new music for most of the late 90's and 00's as well.

Something's happened recently, though, and albums by fun. and Imagine Dragons have made it into my current playlist.

If anyone has a desire to mock me, they can take 51 and 54 as responses.
   79. Lassus Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:23 PM (#4645758)
There's no objective standard for evaluating music.

Unlike modern art, amirite?
   80. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4645761)
Unlike modern art, amirite?

All I've ever said is I think 99% of it sucks. I don't care if you like it or not.
   81. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4645769)
I find your answer to the question Who do you like more? Billy Joel or James Taylor? is telling.


Can I just blow out my eardrums and never hear anything again ever?

I've never given a #### about what people thought of my tastes in stuff. And I have sort of stopped seeking out new music. I hit this point pretty young for a guy who used to be super into it -- I think I was about 26 or 27 when this happened to me. I'll hear new things and get into them occasionally, but the truth is that most of what I listen to is either public radio/podcast or an audiobook. I only listen to music while writing, really.
   82. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:34 PM (#4645776)
1. Every American since 1980 has gone through a phase in middle school where they hear "You May Be Right" and flirt with being a Billy Joel fan.

2. Most people have the good sense to move beyond that before high school ends. (Billy Joel is something like Ayn Rand novels that way.)

3. It's a really, really, fantastically good bet, generally speaking, that if there exists an off-Broadway musical target marketed to suburban housewives based on an artist's catalog, that that artist is probably past his sell by date and cashing in on inertia and nostalgia.

4. I am in no way unwilling to belt out "Piano Man" at the top of my lungs if it comes on while I'm out drinking. Hell, what's the point of drinking otherwise?

5. The purpose of continually engaging new music, new artists and new sounds, even as it gets more difficult as you age out of scene after scene after scene, is to keep your mind and heart malleable and functioning as a real human being; to avoid late career onset of Middle Aged Automatonia. If all you ever listen to now is what you listened to 20 years ago, you're no longer living; you're just dying the slow decay.

6. I love this new "there is no good or bad, man, it's all just how it makes the individual feel inside that counts" hippy dippy trippy version of Snapper. The Snapper Abides.
   83. Lassus Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:37 PM (#4645780)
I find your answer to the question Who do you like more? Billy Joel or James Taylor? is telling.

Joel, in a landslide. I at least liked Joel once.
   84. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4645782)
Can't stand Nirvana and the whole grunge movement meant that I probably didn't buy any new music for most of the late 90's and 00's as well.


Uh... Dude. Greg. Buddy. "Grunge" ended in 1994. The 2000's were awash in neo-pop revivalism.
   85. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:40 PM (#4645784)
Joel, in a landslide.


Oh yeah. Joel makes me think of Junior High, buy a few drinks and sing out loud to admittedly terrible songs in public. James Taylor makes me want to corral all the hippies into a commune in South America and feed them spiked Kool-Aid.
   86. BDC Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:42 PM (#4645788)
The 1970s also include the heyday of John Prine, Townes Van Zandt, and Jerry Jeff Walker, among others; the singer-songwriter legends. Their stuff doesn't "date" like a lot of the surrounding pop sound, but they're of that era, for sure.
   87. The Kentucky Gentleman, Mark Edward Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4645796)
So, regarding new music, a co-worker & I have been having this ongoing discussion. He's a bit older than me (him 31ish, me 28ish) and he was worried about becoming out of touch with the current music scene. He does listen to new music, he just doesn't like what he hears and finds himself going back to music from 5-10 years ago, Shins, Spoon, pre-James Murphy Arcade Fire, etc.

So I tried to turn him onto stuff I thought he might like- Chvrches, Parquet Courts, Savages, Smith Westerns, etc. And he basically rejected all those bands. Finally, I threw up my hands and gave up. I dunno, I found a lot to like in 2013.

He did argue that a lot of "retro" bands (Kanye, My Bloody Valentine, Yo La Tengo, The Strokes) were praised by critics in 2013, therefore making his point that music is getting "worse" or whatever. I don't buy it; these bands/artists came out with really good stuff in '13 and deserve to be praised, but you can still find room for A$AP Rocky, Kurt Vile, & Danny Brown.
   88. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4645797)
6. I love this new "there is no good or bad, man, it's all just how it makes the individual feel inside that counts" hippy dippy trippy version of Snapper. The Snapper Abides.

At least I have an ethos, dude.

My favorite recent-ish ban is definitely The Killers. Hot Fuss, Day and Age, and Battle Born are all really, really good albums.
   89. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:55 PM (#4645798)
Uh... Dude. Greg. Buddy. "Grunge" ended in 1994. The 2000's were awash in neo-pop revivalism.

Yeah, I didn't want to go into all of the details, that was just my tuning out point. What actually happened was that the only guitar sound I could find that I liked was actually the emerging pop country music of Garth Brooks/Travis Tritt/Alan Jackson, so I went there for a while.

Who did I miss out on? I'm willing to listen. I hadn't heard anything like Some Nights or Night Vision in at least 20 years.
   90. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 24, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4645800)
I find your answer to the question Who do you like more? Billy Joel or James Taylor? is telling.

Since "Fire and Rain" came out right in my "semi-suicidal, how do I tell the old man I'm dropping out of college" phase, I beg forgiveness in liking "Sweet Baby James".


The 1970s also include the heyday of John Prine, Townes Van Zandt, and Jerry Jeff Walker

I first encountered John Prine and "Sam Stone" on a 9:00 AM Hippie Talk Show that was on one of our UHF channels for about a month. Needless to say, I was blown away hearing such a song at that hour of the morning in that era.
   91. TerpNats Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:04 PM (#4645805)
What else should I be listening to from the '70s to get a better appreciation for the decade?
Elvis Costello's first few albums, stuff from Dave Edmunds and Nick Lowe, and two albums by ex-Beatles, McCartney's "Band On The Run" and Lennon's "Rock & Roll."
   92. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4645810)
My favorite recent-ish ban is definitely The Killers.


Do you think Kerry has a shot at making Bush a one termer like his dad?

Yeah, I didn't want to go into all of the details, that was just my tuning out point. What actually happened was that the only guitar sound I could find that I liked was actually the emerging pop country music of Garth Brooks/Travis Tritt/Alan Jackson, so I went there for a while.

Who did I miss out on? I'm willing to listen. I hadn't heard anything like Some Nights or Night Vision in at least 20 years.


Woah. That's a big swing, from Travis Tritt to Fun. On the one hand, the late 90s and early Aughts were the heyday of bands like Drive-by Truckers, re-formed/renovated Giant Sand, Neko Case and any number of other "alt-country" acts. If you like that blur between country-pop and southern rock of the Brooks/Tritt/Jackson sound, definitely give DBT a try. Probably start with "Southern Rock Opera." A former member, Jason Isbel, released what I think is the best album 2013, a more traditional country thing called "Southeastern."

If you're looking for pop stuff like Fun., start with The Format (the band that Nate Reuss fronted before moving to Brooklyn to start Fun.) Or pick up "Give Up" by The Postal Service. Any Ben Gibbard act is going to be pop goodness. Or maybe The Shins' "Chutes Too Narrow." Though that might be too much bedroom pop and not enough techish bombast for your references bands up there. Any Interpol release has a colder, more Euro feel on top of that sort of electropop sound. Or maybe something more angular from the UK like Maximo Park or Franz Ferdinand. If you're just looking for out and up neo-disco rock to shake an ass to, you can't go wrong with The Rapture's output from the early 2000s either.

Just off the top of my head.
   93. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4645811)
What else should I be listening to from the '70s to get a better appreciation for the decade?

I've been digitizing some of my father-in-law's albums from the 70s, so I would say Humble Pie, Traffic, and Ten Years After. And not Procol Harum. What a bunch of gibberish.
   94. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4645813)
If you're looking for pop stuff like Fun.,

listen to the "Alt" station on Sirius satellite radio, which is 40% bands that sounds like Fun., 40% bands that sound like Modest Mouse, 15% bands that sound like Mumford & Sons, and 5% bands that sound like the White Stripes.
   95. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4645824)
listen to the "Alt" station on Sirius satellite radio

Oh yeah, forgot, I listened to what I think was the alt station on Pandora. I like Mumford & Sons, and I really like Of Monsters and Men.
   96. BDC Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4645825)
I find upon Googling that "The Court of the Crimson King" was actually released in 1969. That to me was the mood of much of the actual 1970s – at least till it was superseded by "Don't Fear the Reaper," and then toward the end of the decade by Blondie's "One Way or Another" :) Things got more insouciant as we went along …
   97. Rickey! In a van on 95 south... Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:23 PM (#4645827)
So, neo-folk. Not my sweet spot, but you should probably kick the tires on the Avett Brothers, and 2012's John Fulbright album was fantastic.
   98. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4645829)
Woah. That's a big swing, from Travis Tritt to Fun.

Yeah, country was definitely a phase, but it was a perfect storm of Southern Rock and a time when I couldn't find anything else.

If you're looking for pop stuff like Fun.,

This is probably what I'm really looking for. Not pop like Britney Spears or Katy Perry, but more pop-rock (I wish fun. would do more guitars). I'll try some of the acts you mentioned. I think I like what I've heard from Franz Ferdinand, but don't exactly remember.

   99. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4645832)
What else should I be listening to from the 70s to get a better appreciation for the decade?


Joy Division, Kraftwerk (seriously), The Jam, The Ramones, X (though not the Xene Cervenka tracks), The O'Jays -- really, the whole Philadelphia Sound in soul was incredible, and probably the most influential on modern pop music --, Toots & the Maytals, the Specials, the Modern Lovers, and so forth. Also, a lot of the stuff mentioned above (UK 77 -- especially The Clash, especially London Calling; John Prine, Jerry-Jeff Walker, the whole outlaw country bit born out of late-period Byrds and the emergence of Willie Nelson; Elvis Costello & Nick Lowe).
   100. Greg Pope thinks the Cubs are reeking havoc Posted: January 24, 2014 at 03:30 PM (#4645836)
So, neo-folk.

Yeah, maybe. I really seem to have a lot of different styles that I like, but if I don't like it, I hate it. Thus my problem with Nirvana and Pearl Jam. I just couldn't stand them. But I do really like a wide variety.
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