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Friday, September 14, 2012

Bloomberg: Low-Salary Rays Show Moneyball Still Works as Yankees Struggle

Roidrage to arbitrage…

Wolff’s Satisfaction

Athletics owner Lew Wolff said in a telephone interview that it gives him an “acute sense of satisfaction” when he looks at the standings and sees his team ahead of much richer teams in the playoff hunt.

“If we were spending more, I probably wouldn’t have the same sense of satisfaction,” he said with a laugh. “Spending more would not necessarily make us more competitive. Just because a guy is making 10 times as much as one of our guys, that doesn’t mean he’s 10 times better.”

‘Arbitrage Opportunities’

Rays outfielder Sam Fuld said it has become more challenging for small-payroll clubs to find an advantage.

“I don’t think it’s any one thing,” Fuld, 30, a two-time All-American while studying economics at Stanford University, said in an interview. “They are continually looking to find market inefficiencies. Those are few and far between now.

“The A’s certainly capitalized on arbitrage opportunities 10 years ago, but that gap has shrunk and leaguewide, teams are just more efficient, more aware of small ways that you can improve your organization, even the big-market teams like the Bostons and New Yorks.”

Repoz Posted: September 14, 2012 at 03:09 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gamingboy Posted: September 14, 2012 at 03:32 PM (#4236041)
I'm calling it now: Oakland vs. San Francisco in the World Series. Winner gets San Jose.
   2. Darren Posted: September 14, 2012 at 03:46 PM (#4236056)
Shouldn't the second half of the title be "as Red Sox Suck"?
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 14, 2012 at 04:01 PM (#4236079)
Shouldn't the second half of the title be "as Red Sox Suck"?

It does seem a little weird to call out a team tied for first.
   4. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: September 14, 2012 at 04:03 PM (#4236085)
It does seem a little weird to call out a team tied for first.

Click rates! Click rates! Please try to play along. Facts have nothing to do with this.
   5. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: September 14, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4236094)
laugh !
   6. Darren Posted: September 14, 2012 at 04:14 PM (#4236100)
You could put them both in there:

"as Yankees Struggle to Stay 15 Games up on the Crappy Red Sox"
   7. dr. scott Posted: September 14, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4236101)
Wolf is such a cheap SOB. Fans would have more satisfaction if the satisfaction came more than once every 6 years.
   8. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 14, 2012 at 04:48 PM (#4236122)
“If we were spending more, I probably wouldn’t have the same sense of satisfaction,” he said with a laugh.


Nothing satisfies like a pocket full of free cash, does it Lew?
   9. Danny Posted: September 14, 2012 at 05:01 PM (#4236131)
Nothing satisfies like a pocket full of free cash, does it Lew?

There's an easy way to cut the A's off from revenue sharing: let them move to San Jose.
   10. Dale Sams Posted: September 14, 2012 at 05:02 PM (#4236132)
$7.5 mill for a 1B with a 91 OPS+, and who had a 103 OPS+ when he was there last. Moneyball.

"But that D!" 0.1 WAR.
   11. Rally Posted: September 14, 2012 at 05:07 PM (#4236135)
It doesn't make sense that fans would care what a team spends on players, just that those players performed. I can understand feelings about the salaries of a specific player, in that big money spent on crappy players either means resources that can't be spent elsewhere, or that player being given more playing time than he deserves.

If MLB salaries were kept completely confidential, would A's fans enjoy this season less? Would Yankee fans enjoy it more?

Obviously in such a world you'd have some idea the Yankees were spending more, they have more star players with 6+ years of experience, news of A-Rod's condo sale price, and you'd presume that Sabathia, Texiera, etc. didn't go to NY for pay cuts. But you'd have no hard numbers, probably no idea of the magnitude that the Yankees payroll advantage.
   12. charityslave is thinking about baseball Posted: September 14, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4236136)
Godd@mn, that is a great header, Repoz.
   13. Darren Posted: September 14, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4236139)
$7.5 mill for a 1B with a 91 OPS+, and who had a 103 OPS+ when he was there last. Moneyball.


Funny how the Moneyball worm turned on him.
   14. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: September 14, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4236154)
Yeah it would have been nice for the cheap SOB to maybe trade for someone like Rollins who would have brought some more fans to the seats and some offense to the lineup
   15. Dale Sams Posted: September 14, 2012 at 05:36 PM (#4236173)
It doesn't make sense that fans would care what a team spends on players


And yet over and over and over, I have seen RSox fans quibble as if some great victory has been achieved if a guy lives up to his contract, and sell their children rather than get caught on the tail end of a guy getting older.

I've even seen people say "The Sox should NEVER offer a 99 mill+ contract again."

October, 1st. 2012.
Henry: "Well Larry, they bought our 'August Surprise' hook, line and sinker...of course going 5-40 has kind of taken the edge off that."
   16. Bob Tufts Posted: September 14, 2012 at 05:59 PM (#4236191)
The Rays didn't have the ability or cash to get the most expensive types of free agents - left handed starting pitchers (see Santana, Lee, Sabathia, Wilson). They drafted and developed them in their system for a fraction of the cost.
   17. Justin T drives a crooked hoss Posted: September 14, 2012 at 07:04 PM (#4236216)
Go #### yourself, Lew Wolff. You spell both of your names wrong, you stupid piece of ####.
   18. Darren Posted: September 14, 2012 at 07:19 PM (#4236223)
And yet over and over and over, I have seen RSox fans quibble as if some great victory has been achieved if a guy lives up to his contract, and sell their children rather than get caught on the tail end of a guy getting older.


You're crazy. Red Sox fans don't like overpaying because it means there's a budget and the more you spend on bad players the less you can spend on good ones.
   19. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: September 14, 2012 at 07:42 PM (#4236234)
You're crazy. Red Sox fans don't like overpaying because it means there's a budget and the more you spend on bad players the less you can spend on good ones.

Eh, I think there's plenty of Red Sox fans that gripe about overpaid players, and not for team budgetary reasons--or because they care about Henry's bank account. It just pisses them off if someone's making a shitton of money and not doing a very good job.
   20. I Helped Patrick McGoohan Escape Posted: September 14, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4236247)
I'm calling it now: Oakland vs. San Francisco in the World Series. Winner gets San Jose.


I'd like to a repeat of '89, though with less earthquakes.
   21. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: September 14, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4236302)
I'd like to a repeat of '89, though with less earthquakes.

fewer

(but who's counting higher than 1?)
   22. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 14, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4236303)
There's an easy way to cut the A's off from revenue sharing: let them move to San Jose.


Fine.
   23. vendor71 Posted: September 15, 2012 at 01:20 AM (#4236371)
I'm setting the over/under on earthquakes at 1/2.

   24. Walt Davis Posted: September 15, 2012 at 05:03 AM (#4236402)
I'm setting the over/under on earthquakes at 1/2.

There's probably an earthquake almost every day on those faults, just very low on the Ricther.

   25. BDC Posted: September 15, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4236427)
AROM in #11 catches my feelings exactly. I'm generally aware that Michael Young has earned a lot over a long time and not been an extremely good player in the bargain, though my usual response to that is to hope he'll do better. The other Rangers, I really have no idea what their salaries are, or what the total payroll is. I would reckon that the answer is "a lot" and "a lot" in both cases. They seem to have paid a lot of money for Yu Darwish. That's cool. Now play ball.

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