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Wednesday, November 17, 2010

Blue Jays acquire Rajai Davis from A’s for Trystan Magnuson

According to Ken Rosenthal of FOXSports.com the Blue Jays have acquired outfielder Rajai Davis from the A’s, with MLB Trade Rumors reporting that Oakland will receive minor-league reliever Trystan Magnuson in return.

Oakland claimed Davis off waivers from Pittsburgh in early 2008 and he thrived in his first opportunity as a big-league regular the next season, hitting .305 with a .360 on-base percentage and 41 steals in 432 plate appearances.

Given a chance to be an everyday player this year Davis hit .284 with 50 steals, but posted a sub par .320 OBP and saw his OPS drop from .784 to .697.

Repoz Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:28 PM | 74 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Al Kaline Trio Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:33 PM (#3692381)
Isn't Trystan Magnuson the world's strongest man competitor?
   2. Danny Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:35 PM (#3692387)
Looks like the A's also got Daniel Farqhar.

If they made this deal to make room for Conor Jackson, I think it's a poor move. Rajai was their only OF who has shown he can stay healthy, and he's a pretty ideal 5th OF given his value as a pinch runner.
   3. Paul D(uda) Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:36 PM (#3692390)
Magnuson and Farqhar look good, but how much value to AA relievers have?
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:37 PM (#3692391)
So how does the Jays OF look right now? Does this push Vernon to a COF? Or is Raj just a 4th OF? I assume Fred Lewis is out of work now?

Seems like a decent trade for both sides. Raj wasn't going to play in Oakland and Toronto could probably use some guys in the OF that can run down flyballs.
   5. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:38 PM (#3692392)
I don't see the point in this. The arb-eligible Davis is fine as a 4OF/PR. Magnuson seems to be fodder. Is it just that Davis stood to make lots of $ in arb because arbitrators overvalue steals?
   6. Rich Rifkin Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:39 PM (#3692393)
"Oakland claimed Davis off waivers from Pittsburgh in early 2008 ..."

Almost. The Pirates traded Davis (for no effing good reason) and Stephen MacFarland to San Francisco for Matt Morris and his terrible contract. The Giants then waived Rajai, and the A's claimed him off of waivers from San Francisco.

Morris was beyond brutal for the Pirates. Pittsburgh ended him paying him $12 million to pitch 84.33 bad innings. Davis was not very good for San Francisco, but he was making the major league minimum. MacFarland was not a prospect and he never did anything in the SF system before getting released. All in all, that was one of Brian Sabean's best trades post-Kent. It was right up there with giving Pittsburgh Armando Rios and Ryan Vogelsong for Jason Schmidt and John Vander Wal.
   7. formerly dp Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:47 PM (#3692400)
I'm confused. Why is this a good idea for Toronto? Wasn't Lewis pretty good for them?
   8. A triple short of the cycle Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:48 PM (#3692401)
Rajai is insanely fast, and has a pretty strong throwing arm, especially for a short guy. And as Danny notes, he also has been healthy. He otherwise stinks. No power, no plate discipline, not a great outfielder despite his great speed. As such, he does make a great 5th or 4th outfielder and pinch runner. Unfortunately he has been the A's 3rd outfielder for the last two years.

I don't know who the two pitchers are that are coming over from Toronto, but I am very happy that Rajai's bat is out of the Oakland lineup.
   9. Al Kaline Trio Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:50 PM (#3692403)
I would guess there's more trades coming and these AA guys are part of that overall plan.
   10. formerly dp Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:52 PM (#3692408)
I don't know who the two pitchers are that are coming over from Toronto, but I am very happy that Rajai's bat is out of the Oakland lineup.

He just doesn't seem like someone you give up anything for, unless you actually need him...
   11. Danny Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:53 PM (#3692409)
Given his baserunning abilities, Rajai's pretty much a league average offensive player (at least according to wRC+ at Fangraphs). If he can play a league average CF and be a plus defender in the corners, he's a nice bargain.
   12. Eric P. Posted: November 17, 2010 at 11:54 PM (#3692410)
So how does the Jays OF look right now? Does this push Vernon to a COF? Or is Raj just a 4th OF? I assume Fred Lewis is out of work now?


It depends. Is Bautista the 3B or RF? If he's the 3B then Snider's in RF and a Davis/Lewis platoon in LF makes the most sense from what's on the roster right now. If the OF is Snider/Wells/Bautista, Lewis would seem to be the odd man out.
   13. Nobody ##### with DeJesus Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:00 AM (#3692413)
Oakland clearing payroll for Beltre.
   14. Padgett Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:00 AM (#3692414)
If Beane really is preparing to give Beltre something like the second-biggest deal in team history, saving the few million that Rajai would be due in 2011 surely isn't insignificant.

(Edit: Coke to Quintana.)
   15. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:03 AM (#3692418)
Rajai is insanely fast, and has a pretty strong throwing arm, especially for a short guy. And as Danny notes, he also has been healthy. He otherwise stinks. No power, no plate discipline, not a great outfielder despite his great speed. As such, he does make a great 5th or 4th outfielder and pinch runner. Unfortunately he has been the A's 3rd outfielder for the last two years.

I don't know who the two pitchers are that are coming over from Toronto, but I am very happy that Rajai's bat is out of the Oakland lineup.

Seconded.

Oakland clearing payroll for Beltre.

I don't really get what they've been up to this offseason, but I'd love to see a go-BIG move like this.
   16. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:06 AM (#3692421)
I like Rajai, but there's nothing wrong with this move. I like that it indicates the team is looking to upgrade. Maybe start with a Carter/Crisp/DeJesus OF and use Sweeney and Jackson and the backups. Nothing wrong with that.

Rotoworld has the Beltre offer at 5 for 64. That's a lot of years, I think, but it's not my money. The Rangers are in for a dogfight if the A's get Beltre.
   17. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:10 AM (#3692424)
The Pirates traded Davis (for no effing good reason) and Stephen MacFarland to San Francisco for Matt Morris and his terrible contract.


Dave Littlefield was in full-on save-his-job mode, and trying to catch lighting in a bottle with Morris.

I'm happy to see Davis doing fairly well. It was apparent that he was never going to get a shot at a job in Pittsburgh.
   18. Rich Rifkin Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:12 AM (#3692425)
As such, he does make a great 5th or 4th outfielder and pinch runner.

That may be true going forward. However, Davis was better than a 4th or 5th outfielder in Oakland, offensively at least. Here are the top 27 AL outfielders over the last two seasons in Runs Created:

1 Shin-Soo Choo 234
2 Carl Crawford 221
3 Ichiro Suzuki 221
4 Nick Markakis 205
5 Nick Swisher 200
6 Ben Zobrist 194
7 Bobby Abreu 193
8 Jose Bautista 190
9 Johnny Damon 186
10 Michael Cuddyer 179
11 Denard Span 179
12 Curtis Granderson 175
13 Torii Hunter 173
14 Vernon Wells 172
15 J.D. Drew 171
16 Nelson Cruz 166
17 Adam Jones 148
18 Franklin Gutierrez 147
19 Alexis Rios 147
20 B.J. Upton 146
21 David DeJesus 142
22 David Murphy 140
23 Scott Podsednik 136
24 Delmon Young 134
25 Juan Rivera 131
26 Magglio Ordonez 128
27 Rajai Davis 126
   19. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:13 AM (#3692429)
Damn. Any way we can get Choo (assuming S. Korea wins the Asia Games)?
   20. Padgett Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:15 AM (#3692430)
Slusser with more, including:
Beltre rebuffed the A's overtures last offseason, though they apparently were willing to offer him more guaranteed years than Boston, which is where Beltre went on a one-year, $9 million deal that included a $5 million player option for 2011 with a $1 million buyout. Beltre opted out, got the additional $1 million, and the question is, if he turned down more years from Oakland last year, will he do it again when it's these kinds of numbers?
   21. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:24 AM (#3692434)
Oakland clearing payroll for Beltre."


Rajai made $1.35 million this year. He also sucked this year. I can't see him getting a big raise in arb. I doubt that less than $2 million is the difference between signing Beltre or not signing him.
   22. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:25 AM (#3692436)
Rajé Davis has had quite a nice career so far. Dave Littlefield and Jim Tracy could not wait to get rid of this guy so they could stop finding reasons not to play him and start finding reasons not to play Steve Pearce instead. And because Nyjer Morgan was basically the same player except righthanded and with more hockey skills and fewer baseball skills.

Now he can be reunited with Jose Bautista. So many great moments they shared in Altoona.
   23. For the Turnstiles (andeux) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:30 AM (#3692439)
This is a Farquhar an A trade.
   24. Rich Rifkin Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:37 AM (#3692444)
"Oakland will receive minor-league reliever Trystan Magnuson in return."

At age 25 and just a middle reliever in AA, it's fairly obvious why no one ranks Magnuson a top prospect, though his minor league numbers, after a poor first season in the pros, look decent. It's notable that J.P. Ricciardi, in his 7th draft for Toronto, struck out. He had five first round or first round sandwich picks and not one of them is rated by anyone as a great prospect:

16 *Kevin Ahrens (minors) 3B
21 J. P. Arencibia C
38 *Brett Cecil LHP
45 *Justin Jackson (minors) SS
56 *Trystan Magnuson (minors) RHP

Marc Rzepczynski, who was selected in the 5th round, has done the most of any Jays taken in that draft in the majors. I should add that Ricciardi thought he was drafting Stanley Wojciehowicz with that pick but a spelling error gave him Rzepczynski, instead.
   25. Paul D(uda) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:41 AM (#3692445)
Cecil and Rzepzynski is not a bad haul.
   26. Paul D(uda) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:41 AM (#3692446)
Actually, add Arencibia - you can debate whether or not that was a good or bad draft, but no way is that a strike out.
   27. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:48 AM (#3692448)
Rumor is lewis may be n-t'd anyway.
   28. Tom Nawrocki Posted: November 18, 2010 at 12:53 AM (#3692452)
Here are the top 27 AL outfielders over the last two seasons in Runs Created:


This looks like a pretty desultory lot, but I think you're missing at least a few guys. Josh Hamilton, for one, has had 180 RC over the past two seasons; he would have made the list on his 2010 season alone.
   29. The Most Interesting Man In The World Posted: November 18, 2010 at 01:06 AM (#3692464)
Judging by Sabean's trading history, he really ought to only deal with Pittsburgh.
   30. Jonny German Posted: November 18, 2010 at 01:07 AM (#3692465)
He had five first round or first round sandwich picks and not one of them is rated by anyone as a great prospect...
Marc Rzepczynski, who was selected in the 5th round, has done the most of any Jays taken in that draft in the majors


Erm... you are aware that Brett Cecil pitched 170 innings with a 98 ERA+ as a 23-year-old in the AL East this year? And that J.P.Arencibia won the PCL MVP this year?

It was a bad draft given the picks he had, sure. But it wasn't a total washout.
   31. Rich Rifkin Posted: November 18, 2010 at 01:10 AM (#3692466)
"I think you're missing at least a few guys. Josh Hamilton, for one, has had 180 RC over the past two seasons."

You're right. I generated the list from Play Index on B-ref: Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, Playing in the AL, From 2009 to 2010, Played 50% of games at LF, CF or RF, (requiring RC>=125), sorted by greatest Runs Created

I guess that list excluded anyone who didn't play only in the American League?
   32. Rich Rifkin Posted: November 18, 2010 at 01:21 AM (#3692474)
"... you are aware that Brett Cecil pitched 170 innings with a 98 ERA+ as a 23-year-old in the AL East this year? And that J.P.Arencibia won the PCL MVP this year?"

Aware? Not really. My intention was to say, despite so many top picks in the draft, "not one of them is rated by anyone as a great prospect." Good? Sure. Great? Nope.
   33. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: November 18, 2010 at 01:34 AM (#3692481)
I like the idea of not paying backups $2 million. Also I like Trystan and Daniel's names.
   34. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 01:51 AM (#3692494)
Isn't Trystan Magnuson the world's strongest man competitor?


Magnus ver Magnusson is the greatest strongman ever, and he is coming to your house to crush your tiny head for that joke.
   35. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 01:55 AM (#3692497)
He otherwise stinks. No power, no plate discipline, not a great outfielder despite his great speed.


This is a far cry from "Rajai Davis, Untouchable Outfield God" that I kept hearing last year when I suggested the Red Sox should try and get him.
   36. Rich Rifkin Posted: November 18, 2010 at 02:05 AM (#3692506)
"Magnús Ver Magnússon is the greatest strongman ever"

Magnús Ver Magnússon won the World's Strongest Man competition four times. Mariusz Pudzianowski surpassed Magnússon. The Polish steroid freak won it five times.
   37. Bourbon Samurai Posted: November 18, 2010 at 02:06 AM (#3692508)
I don't have any idea if he's good or not, but I am super happy that we aquirred "Trystan Magnuson". That's a great name.
   38. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: November 18, 2010 at 02:10 AM (#3692512)
Magnús Ver Magnússon won the World's Strongest Man competition four times. Mariusz Pudzianowski surpassed Magnússon. The Polish steroid freak won it five times.

Rich, I hope you know all this stuff through the power of google and not off the top of your head.

In other A's news, Oakland's new mayor-elect is pushing for a ballpark at Victory Court already. There is hope in Oakland now that Dellums will be gone.
   39. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 02:20 AM (#3692521)
"Magnús Ver Magnússon is the greatest strongman ever"


I wasn't aware that Thomas Inch ever went by that name...
   40. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: November 18, 2010 at 02:46 AM (#3692532)
despite so many top picks in the draft, "not one of them is rated by anyone as a great prospect." Good? Sure. Great? Nope.

Rich, this is kind of a weird axe to grind. Cecil and Rzepcynski aren't rated as great prospects, or prospects of any kind, because they're both already perfectly adequate major-league pitchers with decent chances of becoming above-average starters. They both walk too many guys, Rzepcynski in particular, but he's 24 and Cecil is 23 and they've pitched 125 and 266 major-league innings, respectively, over the last two seasons with essentially league-average results. Which is absolutely nothing to sniff at. Throw in Arencibia and that's pretty much a draft I'd take most times out of 10.

I guess that list excluded anyone who didn't play only in the American League?

Still not clear where Hamilton gets left off - and no, since the list you posted in [18] includes Podsednik, for one.
   41. Rich Rifkin Posted: November 18, 2010 at 03:00 AM (#3692537)
Rich, I hope you know all this stuff through the power of google and not off the top of your head.

Yes, I looked it up. I actually thought that the American strong man who hosts that show, Bill Kazmaier, had won it more times than Magnús Ver Magnússon. But I was wrong, and then counted up the times Mariusz Pudzianowski had won.

Still not clear where Hamilton gets left off - and no, since the list you posted in [18] includes Podsednik, for one.

I don't know. I just ran the Play Index. There are probably a few others besides Hamilton who belong on there but are not listed, too.
   42. The District Attorney Posted: November 18, 2010 at 03:07 AM (#3692540)
Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, Playing in the AL, From 2009 to 2010, Played 50% of games at LF, CF or RF, (requiring RC>=125), sorted by greatest Runs Created
The issue here is that Hamilton has split time between four "positions", thus not playing 50% at any one. Last two years:

96 games CF (56 in '09, 40 in '10)
92 games LF (all in '10)
24 games RF (all in '09)
19 games DH

Two options would be really useful here. One would be an "OF" option, which I'm surprised isn't there, considering we don't have exact LF/CF/RF data for all of baseball history, do we? The other would be a "combined at all specified positions" option, which could also be used to combine positions other than OF, so that would be cool.
   43. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 03:25 AM (#3692546)
Sadly, I knew who Magnus ver Magnusson was without having to look it up.
   44. Mike Emeigh Posted: November 18, 2010 at 03:36 AM (#3692555)
   45. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: November 18, 2010 at 03:52 AM (#3692561)
Magnus: Me too - he's just one of those people you know, you know?

Farquhar (whose name reminds me of the Cosby Show) uses pretty different two arm slots regularly - who else does this?
   46. Rich Rifkin Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:08 AM (#3692606)
#44 -- in that picture of Farquhar, is that not the inverted W?
   47. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:24 AM (#3692616)
Magnus: Me too - he's just one of those people you know, you know?


He is if you suffered from chronic insomnia in the summer of 2002 and had ESPN. They showed World's Strongest Man almost nightly.
   48. Cabbage Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:25 AM (#3692617)
One can only hope that Magnuson makes his way to a team with Billy or Ryan. If only to setup a bunch of nice opera jokes.
   49.     Hey Gurl Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:45 AM (#3692625)
I knew about MAgnus too -- I think from Poz
   50. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 09:47 AM (#3692678)
I actually thought that the American strong man who hosts that show, Bill Kazmaier, had won it more times than Magnús Ver Magnússon.


He would have, if they hadn't forced him to stop competing.
   51. Rusty Priske Posted: November 18, 2010 at 02:35 PM (#3692719)
You can't count Fred Lewis in the Jays plans. He made it clear that he wants to be a full time player and the Jays aren't willing to use him that way. He'll be gone before the season begins.

Right now it looks like a Snider/Wells/Davis OF (though Snider/Davis/Wells would be better) with Bautista at third. But I don't expect AA is done.
   52. Rants Mulliniks Posted: November 18, 2010 at 02:49 PM (#3692728)
As a Jays fan, I don't understand this trade. I'd rather have Lewis on the roster. Travis Snider may have been a liability as a corner OF when he first came up, but he's not anymore. He has worked very hard on his defense.

If we're talking strongmen, you can't leave out two of the greatest - Louis Cyr and Angus McAskill.
   53. mathesond Posted: November 18, 2010 at 03:17 PM (#3692741)
If we're talking strongmen, you can't leave out two of the greatest - Louis Cyr and Angus McAskill

I worked at a restaurant named for Angus Macaskill. Of course, this was back in the days before restaurants had websites
   54. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 03:45 PM (#3692750)
If we're talking strongmen, you can't leave out two of the greatest - Louis Cyr and Angus McAskill.


Cyr was a badass. I'd never heard of MacAskill before, but he seems like an interesting fella as well.
   55. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: November 18, 2010 at 03:51 PM (#3692755)
Is it possible that part of the reason behind this trade from Toronto's perspective was to make the "Hey Vernon, we love ya, but it's time to move to a corner" conversation easier? Rajai is ten times the (defensive) center fielder Wells is.
   56. Matthew E Posted: November 18, 2010 at 04:06 PM (#3692765)
You can't count Fred Lewis in the Jays plans. He made it clear that he wants to be a full time player and the Jays aren't willing to use him that way. He'll be gone before the season begins.

Right now it looks like a Snider/Wells/Davis OF (though Snider/Davis/Wells would be better) with Bautista at third. But I don't expect AA is done.


I agree, but if the season was to start today, you'd probably have this kind of setup:

C: Arencibia/Molina
1B: Lind
2B: Hill
SS: Escobar
3B: Bautista
LF: Snider
CF: Wells
RF: Davis
DH: Lewis

Right now, there's a spot open for him. And just because I've got him there as the DH doesn't mean that he and Snider, and maybe even Wells, can't switch back and forth between OF and DH just to keep them all sharp and rested. I imagine Anthopoulos has stuff in the works that we don't know about yet, but also I see him as a guy who doesn't like to pick up his foot without knowing where he's going to put it down.
   57. The Essex Snead Posted: November 18, 2010 at 04:19 PM (#3692775)
C: Arencibia/Molina
1B: Lind
2B: Hill
SS: Escobar
3B: Bautista
LF: Snider
CF: Wells
RF: Davis
DH: Lewis


Am I seeing things, or could that be the deepest Jays' hitting order in nearly a decade? Granted, you'd have to assume that Lind & Hill bounce back from how terrible they were last year, & Snider plays a full year, & Wells doesn't revert back to pre-Rios-trade form, & you'd have to be OK w/ Lewis as the DH (tho I imagine DH would mostly be a field-day-off type of slot in this configuration). But aside from all that, says Peter Gammons, even if Bautista regresses some from last year (which you'd have to assume), that ain't half bad, especially given all the McDonalds and Overbays that once grounded out on the reg up north.
   58. Matthew E Posted: November 18, 2010 at 04:32 PM (#3692786)
You're kind of assuming a lot of best-case-scenarios. But at least it's possible to do that with this crowd.
   59. The Essex Snead Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:06 PM (#3692806)
[58] Ha; that's putting it mildly. I was kinda hinting at that w/ my "Peter Gammons" comment (PG being the king of the rose-colored "if").
   60. formerly dp Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:14 PM (#3692813)
Aren't Davis and Lewis in the same lineup sort of redundant? Why not just play Lewis in RF and find a DH who can hit better than Davis?

I'm curious to see how much love Bautista will get in the MVP voting. Seems like the type of guy no one will put 1st (didn't play for a contender) but those same voters will have no problem putting him #2. I don't know why, but Ihave a good feeling about the 2011 club. Maybe it's just the offseason talking...
   61. RJ in TO Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:21 PM (#3692818)
Aren't Davis and Lewis in the same lineup sort of redundant? Why not just play Lewis in RF and find a DH who can hit better than Davis?

They are kind of redundant. As to the DH thing, that'll likely be addresses later in the offseason. After all, that lineup is just based on the currently signed talent, and there's still months before spring training starts, which is plenty of time to find a decent hitting candidate for the DH slot (unless you're the Mariners).
   62. Matthew E Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:23 PM (#3692821)
I don't know why, but Ihave a good feeling about the 2011 club. Maybe it's just the offseason talking...


I agree. I think the 2011 Jays can finish above .500, and if everything goes right, might match their 2010 win total.
   63. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: November 18, 2010 at 05:29 PM (#3692826)
Manny looks pretty good in that lineup. I'm just sayin...
   64. FrankM Posted: November 18, 2010 at 07:38 PM (#3692961)
Aren't Davis and Lewis in the same lineup sort of redundant? Why not just play Lewis in RF and find a DH who can hit better than Davis?

What they need to do is replace Lewis with a better hitter. Davis is a good defensive CF while Lewis is a below average outfielder, even though he can run fast.
   65. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: November 18, 2010 at 08:46 PM (#3693069)
Manny looks pretty good in that lineup. I'm just sayin...


You just want the Jays to give Manny 2 years and about 20% of their budget, have him play horribly and be miserable in the second year of the deal, and then he ends up retiring on a minimum salary with the A's. You loved Frank Thomas, didn't you.
   66. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: November 18, 2010 at 09:03 PM (#3693094)
You just want the Jays to give Manny 2 years and about 20% of their budget, have him play horribly and be miserable in the second year of the deal, and then he ends up retiring on a minimum salary with the A's. You loved Frank Thomas, didn't you.

I hadn't thought of that, but, sure, that works.
   67. RJ in TO Posted: November 18, 2010 at 09:07 PM (#3693099)
No, it most certainly doesn't.
   68. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: November 18, 2010 at 09:11 PM (#3693104)
Aren't Davis and Lewis in the same lineup sort of redundant?

Is this a serious question? I guess if by 'redundant' you mean they're both black outfielders who once played for the Giants, but otherwise I don't see it.
   69. Paul D(uda) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 09:47 PM (#3693141)
Manny would not cost 20% of their budget.
   70. formerly dp Posted: November 18, 2010 at 09:51 PM (#3693144)
Is this a serious question? I guess if by 'redundant' you mean they're both black outfielders who once played for the Giants, but otherwise I don't see it.

No, I mean they both have similar skill sets-- can play CF, speedy, don't get on base or hit for enough power to merit starting in the corners.

Career lines:
Lewis- .272/.348/.418/.766
Davis- .281/.330/.383/.713

Davis has more speed and actually plays CF, but unless the Jays plan to move Vern off center, there's not a huge benefit to having Davis out there. Having both in the same lineup seems a little redundant, especially if one is playing RF and the other is at DH.
   71. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: November 18, 2010 at 09:52 PM (#3693145)
Manny would not cost 20% of their budget.

He's just goofing.
   72. A Random 8-Year-Old Eskimo Posted: November 18, 2010 at 10:12 PM (#3693180)
No, I mean they both have similar skill sets-- can play CF, speedy, don't get on base or hit for enough power to merit starting in the corners.

Fred Lewis cannot play CF. He is a poor defensive corner outfielder. Davis has more range, a better arm and gets better reads on the ball. He is also noticably faster than Lewis, who probably has more power potential and slightly better on base skills than Lewis. Davis is a better fit for the Toronto club as currently constituted.
   73. Petunia inquires about ponies Posted: November 18, 2010 at 10:15 PM (#3693181)
Yeah, I don't think they have similar skill sets, and those slash lines don't look alike to me either. Davis' production depends on his BA, which depends on his speed. Lewis will actually take a walk and has some gap power. Davis is much harder to strike out. Davis is a superb baserunner, Lewis is a poor one. Lewis takes awful routes in LF and would be an unmitigated disaster in CF, and has played less than 200 innings there in his major-league career.
   74. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: November 18, 2010 at 11:21 PM (#3693239)
Lewis is nearly useless.

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