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Friday, April 12, 2013

Blue Jays’ Jose Reyes carted off with serious injury in Kansas City

According to MLB network…“Out 1 to 3 months…”

The Blue Jays’ wobbly start took a grim turn Friday night when an ankle injury drove shortstop Jose Reyes from the game.

Reyes, attempting to steal second in the sixth inning in what turned out to be an 8-4 victory over Kansas City, rolled his left ankle on his trailing leg as he made an awkward slide into second. The Jays shortstop was writhing in agony after the slide and after several minutes was taken from the field on a cart.

The Jays announced he had suffered a left ankle sprain and was taken to hospital for a MRI. Reyes was one of general manager Alex Anthopoulos’ prized acquisitions in the off-season megadeal with the Miami Marlins.

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   1. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:53 PM (#4412763)
Looks like the Yankees are in the playoffs after all, folks.
   2. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 12, 2013 at 11:59 PM (#4412768)
Ah, crap. This is terrible.

Still, what's the point of having Reyes steal any more except in critical situations? He's no longer fast enough to make it a particularly valuable practice. He was barely positive on the bases in 2012. And, of course, there's this. What a shame.
   3. Bruce Markusen Posted: April 13, 2013 at 12:02 AM (#4412774)
What is going on with all the players getting hurt sliding into bases? Two have been hurt sliding head first and now Reyes goes down sliding feet first.
   4. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 12:11 AM (#4412777)
Ugh. That sucks. The only time I've ever needed crutches was after badly spraining my right ankle last year, I couldn't believe it took me 2 months to have no pain at all.
   5. Gamingboy Posted: April 13, 2013 at 12:12 AM (#4412779)
...Balance the humours.
   6. Swoboda is freedom Posted: April 13, 2013 at 12:23 AM (#4412782)
...Balance the humours.

Fortunately for Reyes, he no longer has to see the Met doctors.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: April 13, 2013 at 12:52 AM (#4412799)
OK so we gotta ...

outlaw HBPs
outlaw charging the mound
outlaw sliding which means allowing over-runs
put the umpires in charge of bats like they are balls (Jorge Soler)

what else?
   8. AJMcCringleberry Posted: April 13, 2013 at 12:59 AM (#4412805)
Outlaw pitching. Just look what happened to Ray Chapman.
   9. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: April 13, 2013 at 02:49 AM (#4412871)
I blame Post 58 in this thread.

I only saw a couple of angles of the slide since the MLB Tonight crew made it sound like alternative angles were not for the faint of heart. From the side, it looked like the injury was caused by Reyes being unable to make up his mind in time if he was going to slide head or feet first. Was this not the case?
   10. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 13, 2013 at 02:53 AM (#4412872)
Seems clear Reyes misjudged the timing, thought he would be going into second standing up, but realized late it would be a close play and went into a slide absurdly close to the bag. If he had started sliding four to five feet earlier, no problem. Instead, he jammed/wrecked his ankle.
   11. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: April 13, 2013 at 03:09 AM (#4412874)
I'm a terrible person, so once the "oh ####\" factor of seeing this wore off, I wondered how long it would be until someone made a .gif of that closeup shot of Reyes sitting on the ground, face smeared with tears like someone who'd been stood up on prom night.
   12. shoewizard Posted: April 13, 2013 at 03:34 AM (#4412876)
When I was living in Taiwan in the early 90's I was playing basketball and I came down on another guy's foot and rolled my ankle so bad I was sure I fractured it. Dide the RICE thing for 3 days, but it was still as big as a baloon and I could not put any weight om it whatsoever. Hurt like crazy, couldn't sleep.

Finally my wife made me go see a traditional Chinese medicine Doctor. The guy put some gunk all over my ankle, and a bunch more gunk that look like a cross between grass, shiiit, mud, and menthol leaves on a bandage and wrapped my ankle in this stuff.
As I was leaving, he said "If it feels hot or burns, come right back".

I hadn't left the place 3 minutes and my ankle was on fire. I may as well have had it in a furnace. So I go back and the guy rips the stuff like a madman, literally like he was dousing a fire, or ripping the clothes off someone that was on fire.

Then after washing off my ankle, he proceeds to put MORE gunk, that pretty much looked and smelled like the last round, but he swore was different ingredients. But just to be safe, he had me stay there a extra half hour before I left.

While sitting there, I noticed it started to feel better already. I still couldn't put any weight on it at all that night, but then the next day I was stepping on it gingerly. The next day I was walking with a sever limp. The next day I was limping slightly.

By day 7 I was playing basketball again.

I played sports all my life, and had bad high ankle sprains a number of times, and they ALWAYS took at least 3-4 weeks before I could play at all. This was the most amazing thing I ever encountered.

They have a big Chinese community in Toronto, don't they ?
   13. Squash Posted: April 13, 2013 at 03:36 AM (#4412877)
The slide was so awkward that if no one told you which ankle he hurt on the play you would have a hard time guessing which one - they both went weird directions.

This, along with Johnson being toast and Buerhle moving back to the AL East, is unfortunately pretty much exactly what I thought of when I heard about the big trade this offseason.
   14. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: April 13, 2013 at 04:41 AM (#4412879)

Finally my wife made me go see a traditional Chinese medicine Doctor.


I'm going to stop you right there. Fun story though.

The body is a funny thing. I've had injuries with a ton of pain and blood everywhere that I was back running 10 miles the next day, and then things where I didn't even realize anything had happened, couldn't get out of bed the next morning and was out for two weeks.

Recently I finished up a 90 minute beach run, showered at the beach shower and as I was walking back up the hill (barefoot) to my car to go back to work , idiotically didn't lift my foot high enough to clear the rough asphalt path you have to walk up. It's a fairly steep climb so they put some pebbley texture into the asphalt which resulted in it ripping most of the skin off the top of my three middle toes and cracking the three nails in places they should never be cracked. I left a pretty substantial bloody trail across Vista Del Mar limping back to my car. Short on medical supplies, I wrapped some plain white napkins around my toes to soak up the blood, put my work clothes back on and toughed out the rest of the day. It sucked. Yet somehow I cleaned it up that night, taped it up the next morning and felt good enough the next day to do another 90 minutes. It still looks like hell but I haven't missed a day.
   15. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: April 13, 2013 at 06:18 AM (#4412885)
One time I fell down the stairs and bashed my head apart, and my shoes fell off.

I don't remember how long I was injured.
   16. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: April 13, 2013 at 07:50 AM (#4412889)
Seems clear Reyes misjudged the timing, thought he would be going into second standing up, but realized late it would be a close play and went into a slide absurdly close to the bag. If he had started sliding four to five feet earlier, no problem. Instead, he jammed/wrecked his ankle.

Never like to see a guy injured and I like Reyes, but this kind of thing is a byproduct of poor fundamentals which in turn are a byproduct of TTO, let's loaf on the bases, and pose at home plate rather than run baseball. This is a guy who regularly runs and steals bases and can't even execute a basic slide properly.

I know this will be greeted with a hosanna of rotten tomatoes, because that's what kneejerkingly greets any criticism of the "modern" style, but there's no question that it's true.
   17. JE (Jason) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:09 AM (#4412894)
With Reyes out of action indefinitely, what are the odds that the Lakers make the playoffs?
   18. Greg K Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:20 AM (#4412899)

I know this will be greeted with a hosanna of rotten tomatoes, because that's what kneejerkingly greets any criticism of the "modern" style, but there's no question that it's true.

I'm certainly with you in general. But isn't Reyes a bit of an odd example of this? Adam Lind sliding in awkwardly and breaking an ankle, sure. But Reyes has probably slid into more bags in the past ten years than anyone in baseball. I haven't seen him play live much until this year, has sliding technique been a problem for him in the hundreds and hundreds of previous slides he's made at the major league level?

Do guys like Reyes (with 415 career SB, and over 500 attempts) not practice sliding technique? (Honest question, I don't know much about Spring Training training schedules). I'm sure fundamentals such as running the bases and sliding aren't emphasized as much as they should be, (not to pick on him, but watching Adam Lind play baseball the past few years is evidence enough of that) but I'm willing to give Reyes the benefit of the doubt and say he is probably as well versed in the fundamentals of sliding as anyone, and just had a moment of indecision/brain-lapse out there.

It kind of looked like he got caught between two minds going into the bag and when he decided how he was going to slide it was far too late. Personally I feel bad as a Jays fan, and awful for Reyes (who looked like he was in some serious pain), but a part of me is a little frustrated that this happened because he made a mistake out there.

EDIT: It might be worth noting that last week he stole a base, and while diving in head-first whacked his head against the knee of (I think) Asdrubal Cabrera. The trainers came out and he looked a bit woozy for a couple seconds, but ultimately he was fine. Entirely speculation on my part, but it's possible that was going through his head as he was coming into the bag.
   19. formerly dp Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:37 AM (#4412906)
Never like to see a guy injured and I like Reyes, but this kind of thing is a byproduct of poor fundamentals which in turn are a byproduct of TTO, let's loaf on the bases, and pose at home plate rather than run baseball. This is a guy who regularly runs and steals bases and can't even execute a basic slide properly.
I saw the play live, and that's not what this is at all. Greg sums it up nicely in #18. Reyes had the base stolen, and was not anticipating a throw (I think the announcers said "Reyes steals second" before the pitch got the the plate, because his jump was so good). Unlike Greg, I've watched a lot of Jose Reyes baseball, and he's generally as fundamentally sound on the bases as they come-- a little over-aggressive at times, but it's not like the two are mutually exclusive. He scored from second on a groundout earlier this week.

I know this will be greeted with a hosanna of rotten tomatoes
You're reading a lot of things about a player and an era into an isolated incident...it's just flawed reasoning and confirmation bias on your part, and you're mistaking that for objective reality.

I am generally a fan of being aggressive with a lead, but what was frustrating about the play last night is that the Jays were up by 4 against a fairly punchless offense. Reyes grabbed the bag easy, so it wasn't a high-risk play, but the base wasn't really worth much at that point-- he had just driven in two important runs, and anything else after that would have been gravy.

Anyway, this sucks. Reyes is one of my favorite players to watch, and I did not enjoy him on the Marlins. Was very much looking forward to seeing him lead the Jays to a pennant this year. Hopefully it looked worse than it is. When a player is in that much visible pain, that's usually not a good indicator.
   20. Lassus Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:41 AM (#4412907)
Jose Reyes is no Jack Morris.
   21. JE (Jason) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:43 AM (#4412909)
One time I fell down the stairs and bashed my head apart, and my shoes fell off.

That's a very, very sophisticated type of case you have there.
   22. formerly dp Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:58 AM (#4412911)
Just to follow-up-- Perez has an absolute cannon. Reyes looked stunned the throw was coming at all let alone that it was going to be a close play.
   23. Gamingboy Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:58 AM (#4412912)
...Balance the humours.

Fortunately for Reyes, he no longer has to see the Met doctors.


True. In Toronto they do not balance humours, and instead use a system of snake oils and faith healers.
   24. formerly dp Posted: April 13, 2013 at 09:01 AM (#4412913)
True. In Toronto they do not balance humours, and instead use a system of snake oils and faith healers.
It's working wonders for Dustin McGowan.
   25. Greg K Posted: April 13, 2013 at 09:42 AM (#4412922)
#19's theory of Reyes being surprised he'd need to slide sounds more plausible than mine about the previous head-whacking influencing Reyes.

Salvador Perez joins John Danks (Lyle Overbay), Kevin Mench (Roy Halladay) and David Eckstein (Aaron Hill) as villains who have cruelly injured key Blue Jays.
   26. Shibal Posted: April 13, 2013 at 09:53 AM (#4412925)
Pity this didn't happen while Jeffrey Loria was paying his salary.

If it had to happen.
   27. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 09:59 AM (#4412928)
#12 reminds me of my own basketball injury, except without the traditional Chinese medicine. Went up for a rebound & somehow came down wrong on my left foot; whatever happened sounded like a damned gunshot. Was sure I'd broken a bone, but the next day the clinic doctor at Arizona State told me I'd ruptured a ligament or a tendon (that was, I think, 30 years ago; the details are foggy). I limped badly for several days, & if memory serves I experienced pain first thing in the morning for the better part of the next decade.

Otherwise, the most inconvenient thing about the whole affair was that my wife & I had tickets to see the Thompson Twins, Madness & ... the Police? ... that week at the Phoenix Giants' stadium, & I couldn't go because it would've meant climbing stairs. She wound up taking one of her students (she was an English TA; I was history) instead. No big deal, in retrospect, but somewhat annoying at the time.
   28. Papa Squid Posted: April 13, 2013 at 10:34 AM (#4412948)
#25. Don't forget Bill Madlock and his slide that took out Tony Fernandez.
   29. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 11:48 AM (#4412980)
Madness did in fact open for the Police approximately 30 years ago in Phoenix. It seemed as if everyone in my class but me went to that show.

No recollection of the Thompson Twins being involved, however.
   30. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: April 13, 2013 at 12:09 PM (#4412988)
I smashed into a wall once and had a hematoma the size of grapefruit on my forehead, blood everywhere, and I was fine the next day other than really nasty black eyes.

I sat down funny in my chair and couldn't get out of bed for a week and couldn't exercise at all for two months. Funny how the body works.
   31. Good cripple hitter Posted: April 13, 2013 at 01:07 PM (#4413009)
#19's theory of Reyes being surprised he'd need to slide sounds more plausible than mine about the previous head-whacking influencing Reyes.


Today's game report in the Toronto Star claimed "Reyes injured his left ankle, in an ugly, awkward slide at second base caused by indecision. He thought there was a foul ball. He usually goes in headfirst."


I blame Post 58 in this thread.


That says "if Reyes turned into John McDonald." McDonald is many things, but injury-prone is not one of them.

Edit: then again, the Jays could still trade for John McDonald as an injury stopgap. I retain my belief that such a trade would, in fact, be hilarious on some level.
   32. Greg K Posted: April 13, 2013 at 01:22 PM (#4413025)
Today's game report in the Toronto Star claimed "Reyes injured his left ankle, in an ugly, awkward slide at second base caused by indecision. He thought there was a foul ball. He usually goes in headfirst."

So it's Bautista's fault for missing the ball!

I knew it was that bastard. Even when it was the bears I knew it was him.
   33. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: April 13, 2013 at 02:24 PM (#4413119)
I was watching the game last night, and the Royals' feed took a long time to show any replays. With Reyes writhing on the ground and crying, I was thinking about maybe switching to another game so as to miss any horrifying slow motion video of a bone popping out or something. But when they finally showed a replay, I was surprised at how harmless it looked. I mean, it was an ugly slide, and his back foot was awkwardly trapped under his body. But in the tradition of Jason Kendell-esque ankle injuries, it didn't look as bad as it turned out to be.
   34. bfan Posted: April 13, 2013 at 02:40 PM (#4413138)
Pity this didn't happen while Jeffrey Loria was paying his salary.


I could see jumping on the easy "Loria is bad" theme before the season started, but he just dumped the high salaries of (i) an injury prone high-paid FA who...just got injured: (ii) a soft-tossing lefty who isn't fooling anyone; and (iii) a RHP who has given up 10 runs in 7 innings. Are we sure that Miami won't have more wins per dollar spent than the Jays, with the Jays having the 3 high salaries going forward, and the Marlins having the prospects?
   35. RJ in TO Posted: April 13, 2013 at 02:49 PM (#4413149)
I could see jumping on the easy "Loria is bad" theme before the season started, but he just dumped the high salaries of (i) an injury prone high-paid FA who...just got injured: (ii) a soft-tossing lefty who isn't fooling anyone; and (iii) a RHP who has given up 10 runs in 7 innings. Are we sure that Miami won't have more wins per dollar spent than the Jays, with the Jays having the 3 high salaries going forward, and the Marlins having the prospects?

1) It's 10 games into the season
2) The Jays could win the rest of their games and the Marlins would still likely end up with the better wins per dollar ranking, as the Marlins aren't spending any money.
3) The goal isn't to be the most efficient with cash, but to win the most games.
   36. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: April 13, 2013 at 03:25 PM (#4413190)
(i) an injury prone high-paid FA who...just got injured:

The whole "Reyes is injury prone" meme is way overstated. He played > 150 games 5 of the last 8 seasons, and in two of the other three seasons he missed 29 games and 36 games, which isn't a vast number. Moreover, most of his injuries have been hamstring-related, while spraining an ankle on the basepaths is an injury that could happen to anyone.
a soft-tossing lefty who isn't fooling anyone;

a RHP who has given up 10 runs in 7 innings.

Maybe it's just a bit early in the season to be writing Johnson and Buerhle off? For comparison purposes, in 10.2 innings so far Cole Hamels has given up 13 runs and Dickey 10. That's baseball.
   37. Ray (RDP) Posted: April 13, 2013 at 04:33 PM (#4413273)
There's an interesting question raised here, which I hadn't considered before. We all know there's a break-even for steals, but at what point does the risk of injury outweigh even positive-SB value?

You'd have to be stealing often at a pretty high success rate for it to offset the risk of being injured for 2-3 months.

Obviously it depends what the risk of being injured on an attempt is.
   38. formerly dp Posted: April 13, 2013 at 04:41 PM (#4413282)
Maybe it's just a bit early in the season to be writing Johnson and Buerhle off?
Nah. It's also not too early in the season to declare John Buck MVP.

but at what point does the risk of injury outweigh even positive-SB value?
My guess is that this sort of injury is a pretty random and infrequent event-- as Greg mentioned, Reyes has over 500 career steal attempts, probably another several hundred slides into bases on close plays, and this has never happened to him before. Baseball's a physical game, and weird stuff happens to the body sometimes. As NYG points out in #36, this is not an injury that was portended by any of his previous issues.
   39. Squash Posted: April 13, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4413288)
The whole "Reyes is injury prone" meme is way overstated. He played > 150 games 5 of the last 8 seasons, and in two of the other three seasons he missed 29 games and 36 games, which isn't a vast number. Moreover, most of his injuries have been hamstring-related, while spraining an ankle on the basepaths is an injury that could happen to anyone.

Those are pretty significant chunks, and in the other year he lost 126 games. Now it's going to be 30 games to maybe 90 games and then however many else he misses over the remainder of the season. He gets injured pretty regularly, but the primary problem is that he misses a lot of time when he is injured. He's not often out for three or four days.
   40. formerly dp Posted: April 13, 2013 at 05:14 PM (#4413304)
Cohen was just saying that Terry Collins kept trying to get Reyes to slide feet first, so that he'd avoid injury.
   41.   Posted: April 13, 2013 at 06:08 PM (#4413364)

Anyway, this sucks. Reyes is one of my favorite players to watch, and I did not enjoy him on the Marlins. Was very much looking forward to seeing him lead the Jays to a pennant this year. Hopefully it looked worse than it is. When a player is in that much visible pain, that's usually not a good indicator.   20. Lassus Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:41 AM (#4412907)


I have found this to be the opposite if the case actually. When a player is in immediate and obvious pain it seems to end up ot being a major problem, it's the times where the player reacts minutes later or doesn't even realize there's a problem when it's career threatening.
   42. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 13, 2013 at 06:43 PM (#4413399)
There's an interesting question raised here, which I hadn't considered before. We all know there's a break-even for steals, but at what point does the risk of injury outweigh even positive-SB value?

You'd have to be stealing often at a pretty high success rate for it to offset the risk of being injured for 2-3 months.

Obviously it depends what the risk of being injured on an attempt is.


Yup. It doesn't get calculated, and it should. Surely it adds at least a couple of percent to the break even point, and it's one reason in post 2 I wrote "... what's the point of having Reyes steal any more except in critical situations? He's no longer fast enough to make it a particularly valuable practice. He was barely positive on the bases in 2012. And, of course, there's this."

If a guy is 'break even' on steals, he should be stealing less precisely because of the wear, and the time lost to injuries. I know it's not the easiest thing to judge, when a steal is going to be 85% rather than 65%, and I realize it interferes with years of channeled, instinctive behavior, but in Reyes you have a guy signed to a long, expensive deal, and who has a history of losing substantial time during the season.

He's exactly the kind of guy I would sit down with in the offseason and tell 'we want to change your game on the bases a little...' I wonder if he still has the automatic green light he had for a stretch with the Mets.

   43. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 13, 2013 at 06:46 PM (#4413401)
Cohen was just saying that Terry Collins kept trying to get Reyes to slide feet first, so that he'd avoid injury.


Is it well understood that feet first rather than head first helps avoid injury? I didn't know that.
   44. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: April 13, 2013 at 07:08 PM (#4413428)
I have found this to be the opposite if the case actually. When a player is in immediate and obvious pain it seems to end up ot being a major problem, it's the times where the player reacts minutes later or doesn't even realize there's a problem when it's career threatening.

There's gonna have to be a study on this before I think it's anything other than complete bullcrap.
   45. Canker Soriano Posted: April 13, 2013 at 07:15 PM (#4413431)
Is it well understood that feet first rather than head first helps avoid injury? I didn't know that.

I think the theory is that people are more likely to jam a finger/wrist/elbow/shoulder going in head first, or take a knee to the temple and get concussed, than they are to slide awkwardly feet first and tear something in their legs.
   46.   Posted: April 13, 2013 at 07:18 PM (#4413434)


There's gonna have to be a study on this before I think it's anything other than complete bullcrap.   45. Canker Soriano Posted: April 13, 2013 at 07:15 PM (#4413431)



Certainly.
   47. Squash Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:48 PM (#4413464)
I think the theory is that people are more likely to jam a finger/wrist/elbow/shoulder going in head first, or take a knee to the temple and get concussed, than they are to slide awkwardly feet first and tear something in their legs.

I think the reality is that sliding itself is an act that carries a degree of injury risk for all the obvious reasons, whichever way you do it.
   48. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: April 13, 2013 at 08:56 PM (#4413466)
The whole "Reyes is injury prone" meme is way overstated. He played > 150 games 5 of the last 8 seasons,...


Way to slice the data, agent!

Huh. Over the last five years Reyes has missed 126, 29, 36, 2!, and 55*** games. Which is the outlier? Could it be, oh, the deuce? :)

Reyes is not just injury prone, he's frail. He's in the lineup as often as an aging star in his last seasons. Think Chipper Jones.

Speaking of whom, was Jones in too much pain to continue? I had forgotten he was still putting up an OPS+ around 125, with respectable defense.



***taking the midpoint I keep hearing of 30-90 days.
   49. CrosbyBird Posted: April 14, 2013 at 02:33 AM (#4413575)
If a guy is 'break even' on steals, he should be stealing less precisely because of the wear, and the time lost to injuries.

I think it's very difficult to assess the true break even for stealing, because a threat to steal has an effect on positioning of the defense and the pitcher's attention.

I don't think you can take away the bluffing elements completely without losing some benefit.
   50. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: April 14, 2013 at 10:25 AM (#4413617)
Huh. Over the last five years Reyes has missed 126, 29, 36, 2!, and 55*** games. Which is the outlier? Could it be, oh, the deuce? :)

Reyes is not just injury prone, he's frail. He's in the lineup as often as an aging star in his last seasons. Think Chipper Jones.


When I think of "injury prone" and "frail" players, the first to names that pop to mind for me are Nick Johnson and Larry Walker. How many times did those guys play 150 games in a season? A grand total of once between them (Walker in 1997). My point was simply that Reyes, while no Cal Ripken, isn't in that extreme category and that it is misleading to use language that implies he is.

In short, Loria doesn't deserve any credit for somehow foreseeing Reyes's current injury and therefore deciding to unload him for a bag of balls, particularly since he signed him only a year earlier when he was if anything a worse injury risk.

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