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Tuesday, March 09, 2010

Bob Ryan: La Russa still mover, shaker

The Candlestick (Beck, Nen) et al. maker.

Wait a minute, La Russa said. “What did I do? Sparky [Anderson] used a lot of relievers. Dick Williams used a lot of relievers. Anyway, the whole closer thing wasn’t my idea. It was Dunc’s.’’

Let’s go back to 1988. La Russa is the Oakland manager and Duncan is his pitching coach. They’ve got a very good ball club, with one exception - no real short guy (the term “closer’’ was not yet in vogue).

“Dunc says to me, ‘Do we have anyone better than Eck [Dennis Eckersley] to pitch the ninth?’ I say no, we don’t. He says, ‘Doesn’t it make sense to use him as often as possible?’ And the way to do that is not to bring him in with men on base before the ninth, just pitch him one inning, the ninth. He starts the ninth, and that’s it. Then you could use him four or five times a week.’ ’’

This was totally revolutionary, and never mind the fact that Eck was traditional and stubborn and regarded relievers as failed starters. Of course, it got him into the Hall of Fame, so he looks at things a bit differently now.

Everybody does it now, and that means everybody. La Russa and Duncan changed baseball.

Repoz Posted: March 09, 2010 at 11:38 AM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: March 09, 2010 at 03:15 PM (#3475550)
Has too much time passed to say something like "La Russa still mover, shaker...except at traffic lights."
   2. God Posted: March 09, 2010 at 04:17 PM (#3475614)
Has there ever been anybody who both worked at a moving company and belonged to the Shaker religion?
   3. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 09, 2010 at 06:31 PM (#3475768)
Let's go back to 1988. La Russa is the Oakland manager and Duncan is his pitching coach. They've got a very good ball club, with one exception - no real short guy

So they signed Glenn Hubbard and moved and shook him.
   4. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 09, 2010 at 07:03 PM (#3475808)
Is the author really trying to claim that the 1988 A's only had one good reliever? That's an outright lie. The 1988 A's had at least four, maybe five very good relievers, depending on how you feel about an aging Rick Honeycutt. LaRussa could have drawn names out of a hat to decide who would pitch when and still had tremendous success.
   5. Greg Franklin Posted: March 09, 2010 at 10:48 PM (#3476032)
Dewey, I read it as written, saying they had no "real short guy," meaning TLR didn't trust Jay Howell as his relief ace that would collect all the saves. Honeycutt and Gene Nelson had no relief-ace experience, Eckersley alternated between setup and closing, and Eric Plunk was just a hard thrower.

The innovation (not totally revolutionary, since the rest of MLB had already recognized the value in shutdown closers) came in settling on Eckersley as his strict 1-inning closer, and, more importantly, liberally using his other very good relievers in super-specific roles. Hence, the creeping LaRussaization* that is now part of every baseball team's pitching decisions.

*Personally, I thought David Nieporent invented that term, not Bob Ryan. Maybe David called it creeping LaRussification....
   6. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 09, 2010 at 10:52 PM (#3476037)
The innovation (not totally revolutionary, since the rest of MLB had already recognized the value in shutdown closers) came in settling on Eckersley as his strict 1-inning closer, and, more importantly, liberally using his other very good relievers in super-specific roles.

Managers loved this innovation. It took the onus off of them, in terms of figuring out when to use their relievers, and put it on the GM, who now had to go out and find four or five good relievers so that they could replicate LaRussa and look like a genius, too.
   7. RJ in TO Posted: March 09, 2010 at 10:58 PM (#3476041)
They sure did. Now, every time it doesn't work, they can just say they went to their 7th inning/LOOGY/set-up/closer guy, and he just didn't have his best stuff/battled/had a couple balls drop in. Hey, what can you do?
   8. Dewey, Steven Wright Wannabe and Soupuss Posted: March 09, 2010 at 11:02 PM (#3476048)
Now, every time it doesn't work, they can just say they went to their 7th inning/LOOGY/set-up/closer guy, and he just didn't have his best stuff/battled/had a couple balls drop in. Hey, what can you do

Yes, and if their 7th inning/LOOGY/set-up/closer sucks, then the only possible solution is for the GM to get better relievers. All managers look like geniuses when you surround them with better players.
   9. Ron Johnson Posted: March 10, 2010 at 12:03 AM (#3476086)
#4 Well what's written doesn't make a great deal of sense. In 1987 the overall bullpen wasn't very good. It 1988 it was. How much standardization of pitcher roles had to do with anything is not knowable.

Fascinating to look at Eck's pattern of use though. He wasn't used as a 1 inning closer. While he never came in before the 8th and only came in once while trailing (and twice when tied) He was also most frequently used as the setup guy.

8th inning with a lead of 1-3 runs

Eckersley 20
Honeycutt 6
Cadaret 4
Plunk 4
Nelson 2

Also neither Honeycutt nor Cadaret were used much as loogies. Can't really do that when you're using a 5 man bullpen (as the 1988 team pretty much did). Cadaret typically started against a lefty but had plenty of longer relief appearances (and pitched quite well against RH hitters)

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