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Monday, September 24, 2018

Bobby Evans’ days as the Giants’ GM appear to be numbered

In a world where GMs have increasingly gone down a level in terms of their authority, will this matter much, especially since the article seems to be expecting Sabean to stick around?

QLE Posted: September 24, 2018 at 04:56 AM | 11 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: September 24, 2018 at 07:36 PM (#5750977)
Bob Nightengale is reporting that Ned Colletti is the favorite to replace Evans. Which is... really something.
   2. cardsfanboy Posted: September 24, 2018 at 07:43 PM (#5750982)
In a world where GMs have increasingly gone down a level in terms of their authority, will this matter much, especially since the article seems to be expecting Sabean to stick around?


This is something I find quite funny.. They promote successful gms to a new title, remove a good percentage of their responsibility, and yet everyone who follows the team knows that they are still the guys making the real decisions, but if the team falters, the guy down who has no real say in anything other than the day to day boring crap, is the scapegoat now... This really is a microcosm of how capitalism work... you get so successful that it's impossible for you to be blamed for failure, but you get majority of the credit.
   3. QLE Posted: September 25, 2018 at 04:22 AM (#5751177)
An update, posted here because it doesn't make sense to open two threads on this in two days:

He's now officially gone
   4. PreservedFish Posted: September 25, 2018 at 08:24 AM (#5751188)
They promote successful gms to a new title, remove a good percentage of their responsibility, and yet everyone who follows the team knows that they are still the guys making the real decisions


I'm not sure this is the case. My impression is that Sabean is in semi-retirement.
   5. McCoy Posted: September 25, 2018 at 08:25 AM (#5751189)
Well, you can have a successful plan but have subordinates who are not good at executing it. Would it make sense to get rid of the guy with the successful plan? Now if the leader continually shows they can't identify leaders who can't successfully execute their plan or they can't come up with a successful plan they should be shown the door.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: September 25, 2018 at 07:06 PM (#5751901)
#2 ... whether relevant to the Giants (see #4) or not, it's always been this way, just that it was often the manager that got the axe before the GM, often by just a season. And of course it's often the pitching/hitting coach who gets the axe the year before the manager does. That PBOs sometimes have an extra layer below them to take the hit first doesn't change that dynamic much -- it happened fairly often to scouting directors in the past I suspect.

And in the specific case of Sabean, even if he is currently in charge, they wouldn't fire him, they'd just give him a more ceremonial position. He's been there too long and done too much for the franchise to be shoved out the door ignominiously.
   7. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 25, 2018 at 07:11 PM (#5751905)
I saw this is the first time in 30 years the Giants have fired their GM or manager. Guess officially dusty left as a FA. Other than that, is that true?
   8. GregD Posted: September 25, 2018 at 07:14 PM (#5751908)
I'm not sure this is the case. My impression is that Sabean is in semi-retirement.
Yes, Sabean was not in charge of the front office from 2015-7, I think. He oversaw baseball operations generally but not the front office in any kind of day to day way. After last season the Giants asked Sabean to step back in and oversee the front office. I believe Evans only started reporting to Sabean this year (though I could be wrong). The Chronicle says the new hire will report directly to Baer, the president (or whatever) and not to Sabean, basically the structure before this past year.
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: September 25, 2018 at 08:22 PM (#5751949)

I saw this is the first time in 30 years the Giants have fired their GM or manager. Guess officially dusty left as a FA. Other than that, is that true?


It would seem to be. They've only had four managers. Roger Craig and Felipe Alou stepped down, and Dusty's contract expired (though he wasn't getting along with Macgowan at the time, so he could have been the exception if the timing was different), and Bochy's still there. On the GM side, the two before Sabean both stepped down.

I couldn't say how many of those "stepped downs" involved gentle shoves.

   10. Shock is Great. Also he sucks. Posted: September 26, 2018 at 08:26 AM (#5752142)
Yeah, it's weird how the structure has changed such that the gm has such less visibility. I've literally never heard of this guy.
   11. asinwreck Posted: September 26, 2018 at 08:51 AM (#5752154)
That 1985 Giants team was in disarray in a way I have not seen them be since. Yes, they've lost plenty since then. Once Haller and Davenport were replaced with Rosen and Craig, the team seemed stable enough to weather Bob Lurie's repeated threats to move the team.

Sounds like they're looking outside the organization again for a head of baseball operations, and Sabean isn't the guy making the call. That might mean poaching someone from across the bay.

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