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Friday, August 03, 2012

Bobby Valentine Smells A Rat in the Clubhouse

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Remember when Josh Beckett complained in spring training to WEEI.com about having a snitch on the team, somebody who ratted out players like himself for drinking beer and eating fried chicken during games last September?

Six months later, it was manager Bobby Valentine who revealed himself as the one being ratted out yesterday for an offense so ridiculously contrived that it only highlights how ridiculously unsolved this team’s off-the-field problems are. It points out how there is still at least one player around who is so unwilling to accept Valentine’s ways that he was willing to go behind his manager’s back to discredit him.

Dale Sams Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:19 PM | 45 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:32 PM (#4200098)
popcorn, brb.
   2. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:38 PM (#4200104)
The club source also said that the snitch was a current player.

Oh, the irony.
   3. Esoteric Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4200109)
Okay, now the Boston media's just doing this because it enjoys the preexisting narrative that's been established.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:46 PM (#4200114)
Look for the player wearing fake glasses and a mustache.
   5. UCCF Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4200121)
If you're looking for a rat in that comic, my money is on the Nemesis Kid. It's right there in his name.
   6. The District Attorney Posted: August 03, 2012 at 05:53 PM (#4200122)
I couldn't tell from TFE what the hell was going on, so here's TFA.
Valentine essentially repeated a story he told Wednesday during a radio interview on WEEI after he heard another negative audio clip about his clubhouse.

As Valentine tells it, his attempt at dugout sarcasm with young third baseman Will Middlebrooks came back to bite him — before he could tell the rest of the story.

“He came into the dugout, he made a couple of errors, and I said, ‘Nice inning, kid,’?” Valentine said. “I had thought I had established a relationship with him, where I could say something like that and he would kind of smile or relax a little. Maybe he grimaced, but somebody overheard it and decided that it was a very dreadful thing for a manager to say to a young player and decided to repeat it a few times, this dreadful thing. And that person didn’t go to the locker room with me when I went with Will after the game to explain to him when I made three errors in a game and I was 21 years old and the fans went and booed me off the field and how I got through it and how other people get through it. It’s a great learning experience.

“I don’t think that Will has been mortally wounded by that two and a half month ago comment.”
[Valentine] said that repeating the Middlebrooks episode in the first place was “the most stupid thing that I ever said on a radio program but it was also ridiculous for someone to repeat it, I think, and that was the point I was trying to make.”
   7. The Id of SugarBear Blanks Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:01 PM (#4200129)
Is there a single player out there anymore who reacts to a sarcastic barb from his manager by saying to himself, \"#### that, #######, I'll show you," going out and playing better, and then saying to himself the next time he sees the manager, "There's your ####### nice inning, #######\"?

The Red Sox really are a bunch of pampered tender precious swans.
   8. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:05 PM (#4200132)
Time for a Beer Summit?
   9. Mayor Blomberg Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:08 PM (#4200133)
On the same WEEI program, a caller asked Valentine about his going out to the mound to visit with a pitcher, instead of pitching coach Bob McClure making the trip. In the course of his answer, Valentine referred to when “Bob McClure was on his two-week vacation,’’ then quickly added, “I’m sorry, not vacation, his two weeks away from the team.’’

McClure had gone to be with his family to attend to an urgent medical issue involving one of his very young children.

source

   10. Belfry Bob Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:09 PM (#4200134)
I can see Earl Weaver saying this, with a few #$^&*% thrown in. It would probably work, too.
   11. Belfry Bob Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:12 PM (#4200135)
I dunno. Ferro Lad is hiding his face. Mu money's on him.
   12. ellsbury my heart at wounded knee Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:13 PM (#4200136)
Six months later, it was manager Bobby Valentine who revealed himself as the one being ratted out yesterday for an offense so ridiculously contrived that it only highlights how ridiculously unsolved this team’s off-the-field problems are. It points out how there is still at least one player around who is so unwilling to accept Valentine’s ways that he was willing to go behind his manager’s back to discredit him.


First off, this is just terrible, unclear writing. I'm not even sure what the writer is getting at.

What is the ridiculously unsolved problem, exactly? A player who complains about everything? I'm pretty sure that problem is going to remain ridiculously unsolved for the majority of teams in MLB. Humans like to complain.

Also, the fact that the player (whose name I'm guessing rhymes with the Bostonian pronunciation of Jed Hoyer) was complaining or ratting people out or whatever before Valentine even got there sort of indicates that it's maybe more about the player than Valentine.
   13. JE (Jason) Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:15 PM (#4200140)
On the same WEEI program

Didn't Bobby V also go off on Buster Olney?
   14. Guapo Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4200146)
The club source also said that the snitch was a current player. So that means it was not Kevin Youkilis [stats], Middlebrooks’ predecessor who was traded to the Chicago White Sox in June.


So the "club source" knows who the snitch is, and is willing to give out clues about who he is, but won't identify him?
   15. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:21 PM (#4200148)
Valentine called a team meeting in the clubhouse today to air out the situation. NESN acquired exclusive footage of that meeting.
   16. DA Baracus Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:23 PM (#4200150)
So the "club source" knows who the snitch is, and is willing to give out clues about who he is, but won't identify him?


The second snitch is only kind of snitching on first snitch.
   17. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:23 PM (#4200151)
   18. Guapo Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4200160)
By the way, are we in agreement that Valentine's gone the day after the season ends? (Unless the Red Sox rally and make the playoffs)
   19. Gamingboy Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:32 PM (#4200162)
Look, you fools. You're in danger. Can't you see? They're after you. They're after all of us. Our wives, our children, everyone. They're here already. YOU'RE NEXT!
   20. DA Baracus Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:34 PM (#4200165)
By the way, are we in agreement that Valentine's gone the day after the season ends? (Unless the Red Sox rally and make the playoffs)


Who's going to fire him?
   21. Darren Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:47 PM (#4200178)
I always thought Youkilis looked like Cipher. You know, Cipher, the turncoat in the Matrix, whose name was.... Cipher.... and nobody saw it coming.
   22. Esoteric Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:48 PM (#4200179)
By the way, are we in agreement that Valentine's gone the day after the season ends? (Unless the Red Sox rally and make the playoffs)
I think that would reflect even more poorly on the Red Sox FO. They hired Valentine for this job and then failed to support him when the team he was given control of began to behave like a bunch of whiny, tantrum-tossing babies? It would be one of the low points of the last thirty years of the franchise.
   23. Swedish Chef Posted: August 03, 2012 at 06:56 PM (#4200183)
They hired Valentine for this job and then failed to support him when the team he was given control of began to behave like a bunch of whiny, tantrum-tossing babies?

They traded away a player for peanuts for his sake. What more could he ask for? He's a ####### manager, it's his job to manage the ####### situation, not hide behind the FO's skirts.
   24. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 03, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4200272)
They should fire Valentine and hire Dallas Green. That'll teach the whiny, tantrum-tossing babies!
   25. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 03, 2012 at 09:59 PM (#4200311)
You know, Cipher, the turncoat in the Matrix, whose name was.... Cipher.... and nobody saw it coming.
Well, yeah, cipher means something/someone that's hard to figure. It's not like his code name was "Snake" or "Judas."
   26. Döner Kebap Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4200317)
or Grima Wormtongue.
   27. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4200321)
or Darth Traitor.
   28.   Posted: August 03, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4200326)
Six months later, it was manager Bobby Valentine who revealed himself as the one being ratted out yesterday for an offense so ridiculously contrived that it only highlights how ridiculously unsolved this team’s off-the-field problems are.


What does this sentence mean?
   29. Benji Gil Gamesh Rises Posted: August 03, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4200346)
What does this sentence mean?
"Yesterday, manager Bobby Valentine explained how someone had ratted *him* out--for an offense so minor that it highlights how dysfunctional the Sox' clubhouse remains."
   30. steagles Posted: August 03, 2012 at 11:34 PM (#4200356)
I always thought Youkilis looked like Cipher. You know, Cipher, the turncoat in the Matrix, whose name was.... Cipher.... and nobody saw it coming.
joe pantoliano just has one of those faces that inspires trust. just ask gino marzzone.

It's not like his code name was "Snake" or "Judas."
speaking of snake, does anyone else find it exceedingly hilarious that escape from new york was set in 1997, and escape from LA was set in 2013? kind of makes me disappointed to see the lack of movement towards a modern distopia.
   31. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:27 AM (#4200380)
Rats and snakes? Is that a Major League clubhouse or the 1st season of Survivor?
   32. Dale Sams Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:54 AM (#4200386)
#17 is just hilarious.
   33. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: August 04, 2012 at 09:09 AM (#4200425)
kind of makes me disappointed to see the lack of movement towards a modern distopia.


Well we do have Obamacare. I think the death panels are scheduled to convene any day now, so Escape from LA isn't so far away.
   34. donlock Posted: August 04, 2012 at 10:29 AM (#4200448)
Snitch must be Pedroia. He's been around Boston for a while, was one of Tito's guys and he gets universally praised in the local media. He was probably the snitch with the chicken and beer story last year.Just sayin'.
   35. Jim Furtado Posted: August 04, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4200470)
Bobby Valentine was set up to fail. The team hired him to be a different type of manager than Terry Francona. They hired him to be a strong manager. The thing about having a strong manager is you need to give him authority. Right after Valentine was hired he didn't get to hire his own coaches. What did that tell the players? The same people were in charge. This neutered Bobby Valentine and effectively negated whatever value he had. And that's why nothing has changed in clubhouse.

The team still has the the same setup with the same dysfunction.
   36. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 04, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4200479)
I think it would be fruitless to speculate on the "rat".

Why couldn't it be Ortiz, or Beckett, or Lester, or Gonzalez, or Ellsbury?
   37. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: August 04, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4200485)
If you're looking for a rat in that comic, my money is on the Nemesis Kid. It's right there in his name.


I wonder if he grew up to become Brick Top: Do you know what "nemesis" means? A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent. Personified in this case by an 'orrible ####... me.
   38. Jittery McFrog Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:03 PM (#4200510)
By the way, are we in agreement that Valentine's gone the day after the season ends? (Unless the Red Sox rally and make the playoffs)


I'm guessing they fire him but no one tells him. He'll find out about it by reading a poorly sourced article in the Globe, alongside a heap of unsavory gossip and anonymous character assassination.
   39. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:07 PM (#4200511)
I dunno. Ferro Lad is hiding his face. Mu money's on him.


Please. He's dead.*

Show some respect!



*As of about 11 iterations of the Legion ago, at least. These days, who knows?
   40. Tripon Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:09 PM (#4200512)
If you fire Valentine, who do you replace him with?
   41. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4200515)
Burn it down, gentlemen. Burn it down and salt the earth.
   42. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:22 PM (#4200518)
40...They replace him with me. I don't "hero worship", and I'd take no ####. They could play with pride, or sit with shame. It would be up to them. And if any of my coaches wouldn't talk to me, they'd be barred from the clubhouse and the field. #### that ####.

Of course, the FO would have to agree to those terms, among others, or else they wouldn't get me.
   43. Dale Sams Posted: August 04, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4200528)
"I'm not going to fire you."
"Now you're fired."
   44. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 04, 2012 at 02:14 PM (#4200538)
Well, yeah, cipher means something/someone that's hard to figure. It's not like his code name was "Snake" or "Judas."


Maybe his first name was Louis, like DeNiro's character in "Angel Heart"?
   45. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 04, 2012 at 03:05 PM (#4200560)
If you fire Valentine, who do you replace him with?


Tito.

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