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Tuesday, September 04, 2001

Boone’s stock rises in free-agent market

Breaking the bank to sign Bret Boone will not be a sound investment.

Jim Furtado Posted: September 04, 2001 at 02:13 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: September 04, 2001 at 02:39 PM (#72339)
I'm betting the Red Sox will sign him. Or Tuffy Rhodes.
   2. Zeke Posted: September 04, 2001 at 04:48 PM (#72340)
Any writer who votes for Boone for MVP should be forced to watch 48 consecutive hours of the two or three highlights of his career before this season. Remember, TerryPendleton-itis only lasts 2 years. Then you're back to your former .240 ways.
   3. Darren Posted: September 04, 2001 at 07:28 PM (#72343)
Jd--

You're confused. No one is mad at Boone for having a lot of RBIs. They believe he's being given too much credit for having a lot of RBIs.
   4. Robert Dudek Posted: September 04, 2001 at 08:05 PM (#72344)
Darren...

Everyone who drives in a lot of runs gets undue attention for it. Not enough attention is paid to the guys getting on base in front of him.

What Boone did before this year is completely irrelevant with respect to the MVP. MVP 2001 means most valuable player this year, not player with the most ability, not player you expect to do best next year.

There's no doubt that Boone has been among the most valuable players in the AL so far this year. And so by definition is an MVP candidate.
   5. Darren Posted: September 04, 2001 at 10:33 PM (#72345)
"Everyone who drives in a lot of runs gets undue attention for it. Not enough attention is paid to the guys getting on base in front of him."

What's your point? That's basically what I said: Boone gets too much credit for driving in runs.

I don't think "among the most valuable players" qualifies one for MVP. Most valuable does. Off the top of my head, Giambi, ARod, and Alomar are having better years. For pitchers, Hudson, Mussina, Clemens, and Buerhle may be ahead of him too.
   6. Robert Dudek Posted: September 05, 2001 at 06:38 AM (#72346)
No one knows what those guys will do the rest of the year. I wouldn't give an MVP award to a pitcher who has an ERA in the 3s.

It may turn out that Boone will be in a small group of players under consideration for MVP. Don't forget that he has a huge positional value edge over Giambi and A-Rod might be discounted because of his team's lack of success.

At this point I wouldn't put him in the top 3, but he's certainly in the running - your original post implied that it would be a travesty for him to win the MVP award.
   7. Zeke Posted: September 05, 2001 at 12:20 PM (#72348)
What I meant to say is, next year, when Boone is back to hitting .240 with 12 HR after signing a $70 mil contract, everyone will ask "What's wrong with Bret Boone?" What they should be asking is what's wrong with him this year.
   8. Darren Posted: September 05, 2001 at 07:42 PM (#72358)
Robert--

"No one knows what those guys will do the rest of the year."

"Don't forget that [Boone] has a huge positional value edge over Giambi and A-Rod."

"Your original post implied that it would be a travesty for him to win the MVP award."

What the hell are you talking about? The 1st statement is obvious and also applies to Boone. The 2nd is untrue in regards to A-Rod. Also Giambi's hitting so much better than Boone than it more than makes up for his position.

The final quote is just ridiculous.
   9. Robert Dudek Posted: September 05, 2001 at 09:11 PM (#72359)
Darren...

Why don't you read what I wrote ?

"... and A-Rod might be discounted because of his team's lack of success."

There's a huge difference in positional value between 2B and 1B - so I don't see how you can be so 100% certain that Gimabi has been more valuable this year.

I apologize, as the last statement refers to Zeke's initial post.

But I assume that you would also consider it a travesty if Boone were selected MVP - at this point you seem to not even include him in your top 5. Am I correct in assuming that ?

Where would you place him currently ?
   10. Darren Posted: September 05, 2001 at 11:23 PM (#72360)
I misread your A-Rod statement--no wonder it didn't make any sense.

As far as Boone at 2B and Giambi at 1B, according to Davenport's RARP, Giambi's at ~86 runs while Boone's ~61.

I'd place Boone somewhere in the glut of guys right behind A-Rod and Giambi.

I do not think it would be a travesty, but I don't think it would be a good choice at all.
   11. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: September 06, 2001 at 08:10 AM (#72361)
Me thinks A-Rod would be a travesty. That his name is seriously thrown out as a potential WINNER of the MVP leaves me bewildered, not bewitched.

A candidate? No doubt. But he should not win.

Were I to submit a ballot this morning:

1. Ja.Giambi
   12. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: September 06, 2001 at 02:58 PM (#72362)
Nathan,

What the heck is the difference between MVP and Player Of The Year? Isn't the spirit of the MVP award the "player of the year"? Please don't attach meaning to the word "valuable" as that is just marketing B.S.
   13. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: September 06, 2001 at 05:11 PM (#72363)
Rad

I'd guess you know as well as I know that the MVP is defined by the definition we give choose to give it.

Some seasons (1) an MVP might be a sparkplug kind of player who is regarded as the leader or one of the leaders on a winning team (Rizzuto, Zoilo V., Frisch). Some seasons (2)it's the guy who simply distances himself from the pack (Carew, Cobb, Musial). Sometimes (3) it's simply the perceived 'best player' on a winning team (Schmidt, Mantle and many others).

And always it's subjective.

This year, Ichiro falls into the first category. Boone, Ichiro and Martinez all fall into the third category, as do the Indians players, Jeter and Giambi. Rodriguez is in the second category, but he really hasn't, offensively, distanced himself enough to win the award.

The Player of the Year is based on outstanding performance. Playing on the winning team is not a prime contributing factor. Still, subjectivity rules, and as such, I simply LIKE Giambi better than Rodriguez, and the fact that the A's have caught fire helps, even if it shouldn't.

The Fireman of the Year Award, The Williams award, these trophies are awarded based on a formula. A player wins it outright.

Perhaps that's how MVP's and Player of the Year awards should be calculated??

Not for my money. I LIKE subjectivity, though mostly when it's wrapped in small doses; sometimes, however, I love it when the boat gets rocked.

Go Boone!

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