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Monday, September 27, 2010

Boston Globe: Papelbon walks a fine line with ump

Still, he’s Cuzzi,
Identifiable Cuzzi, and you’ll find,
They’ll laugh a lot, they’ll walk a lot…

Jonathan Papelbon didn’t hide his feeling after the Red Sox’ 4-3 loss to the Yankees in 10 innings. As soon as he was asked about the ninth inning, in which he gave up a run and blew his American League-leading eighth save, he put part of the blame at the feet of home plate umpire Phil Cuzzi.

“Really rough tonight, considering the fact that I’m not only pitching against the hitter, I’m pitching against the umpire,’’ Papelbon said. “When you’ve got to do that against this lineup, you’ll never be successful.’’

...Cuzzi’s strike zone forced Papelbon to give in to the hitter and throw pitches more on the plate than he was comfortable doing.

“When you’ve got to do that, you’re in a lose-lose situation,’’ Papelbon said. “Just call the game. There’s 27 outs. Call the game. Don’t let the crowd influence you, don’t let the hitter influence you, don’t call the pitch where the catcher catches it. Stay focused for 27 outs and call the game.

“I’m not blaming the umpire. I could have definitely battled a little bit more out of that situation. I’m not one to complain about pitches, no, I’m not one to do that at all. But when you’re pitching against an umpire and their lineup, nobody can win in that situation. It’s impossible.’’

Repoz Posted: September 27, 2010 at 09:27 AM | 58 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. dejarouehg Posted: September 27, 2010 at 11:04 AM (#3649335)
I'm not a fan of Papelbon, but watching that last night, I couldn't believe how under control he was. I thought the umpire screwed him on several pitches, including the 3-2 pitch to ARod.
   2. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: September 27, 2010 at 11:17 AM (#3649336)
Papelbon was not great last night, or, for that matter, this season. However, he got squeezed at least three times in the 9th inning last night, including on the ARod 3-2 pitch. His stuff had really good movement, and against a lot of other teams, there would've been more swinging at pitches that broke just outside of the strike zone.

I'm a Red Sox fan, but I also know Papelbon is not likable - at all. That said, he has a legitimate beef. Given that he's a little crazy, that the game mattered to the Red Sox, the weather was deteriorating, the umpire was not helping...I thought he was going to go all 1985-World-Series-Joaquin Andujar, and just explode.
   3. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: September 27, 2010 at 11:32 AM (#3649338)
No matter who loses, it's always the umpire's fault. Why, if it weren't for the umpires, every team in baseball would be the World's Champion.
   4. Lassus Posted: September 27, 2010 at 11:42 AM (#3649341)
The PitchFX, if it helps.

Although, really, all they do is prove the umpire is not a computer, usually, so I hesitate to bring it out.
   5. Textbook Editor Posted: September 27, 2010 at 12:45 PM (#3649353)
Ok, Thing 1, that was the excuse for last night. What's the excuse for the other 7 blown saves?

I'd rather give Bard the opportunity to blow 8 games and pitch with a 4.00 ERA in 2011 than to see Thing 1 do the same thing for $11.5 million more.

If we bring him back in 2011, we're not getting a bounce-back year. He is what he is at this point. I would expect basically the same thing in 2011.
   6. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: September 27, 2010 at 12:57 PM (#3649357)
Based on PitchFX provided, what is really wrong with that strike zone? He wasn't calling the inside strike to righties? That's not uncommon.

At first glance seems like a decent strike zone.
   7. RJ in TO Posted: September 27, 2010 at 12:58 PM (#3649358)
I absolutely hate that knuckleheaded jackass, so normally I'd side with the umps against him. Since Phil Cuzzi in involved, however, I'm torn - that guy has a strong record of badly screwing up basic things.
   8. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 27, 2010 at 01:22 PM (#3649370)
I thought that everyone who pitched in that game had a legitimate beef on at least a couple of pitches. OTOH, I also thought that Matsuzaka and Hughes each got a couple of gifts on low pitches. So what's the point here, aside from the fact that as Lassus notes, Cuzzi is not a computer?

FWIW, I also noticed at least one close pitch where the ESPN K-zone had a serious disagreement with the overhead camera shot. Now I know that the camera angle could be deceptive and K-zone is not PitchFX, but I have to wonder if we don't sometimes put a little too much blind faith in technology. If we ever do have balls and strikes called by computers, pitchers will just switch to complaining that the firmware has it in for them.
   9. Dale Sams Posted: September 27, 2010 at 01:23 PM (#3649373)
Based on PitchFX provided, what is really wrong with that strike zone


Here's Paps.
   10. Dale Sams Posted: September 27, 2010 at 01:38 PM (#3649382)
I also thought that Matsuzaka and Hughes each got a couple of gifts


Oh yes, I thought Gardner might have been safe also. There were a few "I'll take it." moments in that game. Paps should have worked higher in the zone more to set up his off-speed stuff. *some* of which looked great.

Anybody want to look up his swinging and miss rate in the zone vs the league's rate? I can't remember the last time he struck someone out on a swinging strike in the zone.
   11. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: September 27, 2010 at 01:59 PM (#3649394)
STFU Papelbon. You blew the game, yet another one, and have no one to blame but yourself. Congrats on leading the league in blown saves.

Blaming the umpire, that's ####### rich. Legit beef or no, do your ####### job and hold on to what should have been a stirring win in a crucial situation. Christ I hate him like poison. Non tender him, Theo, I am begging you. There's no earthy reason to pay him $12 million to suck out loud again.
   12. SoSH U at work Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:13 PM (#3649400)
Blaming the umpire, that's ####### rich.


But didn't you see the part where he said, quite clearly, "I'm not blaming the umpire"? In Pap's pea-sized brain, that quote gives him the necessary cover for the remaining remarks where he rather unequivocally blames the umpire.
   13. Textbook Editor Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:24 PM (#3649404)
#11, welcome to the club. Our membership is strong and growing!
   14. Fly should without a doubt be number !!!!! Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:35 PM (#3649409)
It's my club, damnit. I'm the founder and the president.
   15. Ray (RDP) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:38 PM (#3649415)
No matter who loses, it's always the umpire's fault. Why, if it weren't for the umpires, every team in baseball would be the World's Champion.


So what is your point, Andy? That umpires can't have bad games? That one team can't get more screwed by the umpiring than the other?
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:46 PM (#3649420)
It's my club, damnit. I'm the founder and the president.


Seriously, when it comes to Papelbon hate, the rest of you guys aren't in the same zip code as Fly.

Personally, I feel my Beckett Hate is really preventing me from fully embracing such other worthwhile endeavors as Papelbon Detesting and Lackey Loathing, though Paps is really working hard to recruit me.
   17. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:50 PM (#3649428)
So what is your point, Andy? That umpires can't have bad games? That one team can't get more screwed by the umpiring than the other?


Of course one team can get screwed by the umpires more than others. The official league policy over the last decade-plus has been that Yankee success is bad for baseball and that measures need to be taken to reduce the Yankees' chances of winning. Umpires can't help but be influenced by overt league policy, and yet as Yankee fans we've accepted no excuses for failure during this period of anti-Yankee bias.
   18. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:52 PM (#3649429)
Anybody want to look up his swinging and miss rate in the zone vs the league's rate? I can't remember the last time he struck someone out on a swinging strike in the zone.


FanGraphs has him right on league average (88.6% vs. 88.2%). It's a dropoff from his career mark of 82% (which includes 2010).
   19. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:52 PM (#3649430)
I feel my Beckett Hate is really preventing me from fully embracing such other worthwhile endeavors as Papelbon Detesting and Lackey Loathing

The key is to not try to divide your hate. Instead, just multiply it.
   20. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:54 PM (#3649433)
No matter who loses, it's always the umpire's fault. Why, if it weren't for the umpires, every team in baseball would be the World's Champion.


Fact: Papelbon got screwed on several pitches last night that could (or would) have changed the outcome.

Fact: Papelbon did not pitch especially well allowing several line drives.

The ump was a contributing, but not sole, factor to the blown save.
   21. chris p Posted: September 27, 2010 at 02:59 PM (#3649435)
Personally, I feel my Beckett Hate is really preventing me from fully embracing such other worthwhile endeavors as Papelbon Detesting and Lackey Loathing, though Paps is really working hard to recruit me.

it's actually lackey that has kept me from jumping on the papelbon sucks bandwagon. beckett gets a little bit of a pass this year b/c of the injuries (can't believe they gave him an extension, though). so yeah. maybe lackey's 1, beckett is 1a, and papelbon is 1b. they all suck, though.

back to the subject at hand, i could not believe how many breaking balls papelbon threw last night. ############'s completely lost confidence in his fastball. when he was good, that's all he needed. naysayers said it was too straight but we knew that was b/c his over the top arm slot limited the horizontal movement ... man, that was a good pitch back in the day ...
   22. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:07 PM (#3649444)
back to the subject at hand, i could not believe how many breaking balls papelbon threw last night. ############'s completely lost confidence in his fastball. when he was good, that's all he needed. naysayers said it was too straight but we knew that was b/c his over the top arm slot limited the horizontal movement ... man, that was a good pitch back in the day ...

The only guy who really looked bad against his fastball was Jeter. But Jeter looked terrible against that 93 mile an hour heat.
   23. chris p Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:14 PM (#3649451)
The only guy who really looked bad against his fastball was Jeter.

yeah it's nothing special these days. i haven't seen much of him recently, but my assumption is that he's lost a little bit of velocity, but more importantly, dropping the arm slot makes the pitch much less effective. it used to have that late life that would get swings and misses and popups. now it has horizontal movement, which makes it harder for him to command, and it grabs too much plate. so, basically, he sucks.
   24. Cowboy Popup Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:21 PM (#3649455)
Personally, I feel my Beckett Hate is really preventing me from fully embracing such other worthwhile endeavors as Papelbon Detesting and Lackey Loathing, though Paps is really working hard to recruit me.

I don't think I've ever enjoyed seeing a player fail more than Beckett this year. And it's not just because I hate him. Someone called me a troll at the beginning of the season when I suggested he wasn't a lock for 180 IP and a 3.80 ERA this year. But mostly, it's because he's my least favorite ball player and I love watching him suck.
   25. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:27 PM (#3649462)
I don't think I've ever enjoyed seeing a player fail more than Beckett this year. And it's not just because I hate him. Someone called me a troll at the beginning of the season when I suggested he wasn't a lock for 180 IP and a 3.80 ERA this year. But mostly, it's because he's my least favorite ball player and I love watching him suck.

Michael Kay described Beckett as a great pitcher before Friday's game. Now, either Kay has a much more generous definition of "great" than I do or he subscribes to a rather common misconception. Which isn't to say that Beckett is bad; he's usually pretty good or a bit better and has had one or two years which could reasonably be termed "great." But it's not like he's one of the 20 or 25 best pitchers in baseball.
   26. RJ in TO Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:29 PM (#3649465)
Michael Kay described Beckett as a great pitcher before Friday's game. Now, either Kay has a much more generous definition of "great" than I do or he subscribes to a rather common misconception.

To Kay, "great" means "beat the Yankees in a critical playoff game," because there's no way that a pitcher who is only "good" could ever beat his favorite team under those conditions.
   27. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:33 PM (#3649471)
To Kay, "great" means "beat the Yankees in a critical playoff game," because there's no way that a pitcher who is only "good" could ever beat his favorite team under those conditions.

Jeremy Bonderman is pretty great.
   28. Textbook Editor Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:35 PM (#3649474)
Beckett and Lackey's contracts will be this over the next 4 years:

guess the adjective...
   29. rconn23 Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:49 PM (#3649486)
"To Kay, "great" means "beat the Yankees in a critical playoff game," because there's no way that a pitcher who is only "good" could ever beat his favorite team under those conditions."

Don't forget he has the guts of a burglar.

That's not just limited to Kay, who's ridiculous in that fashion, but other NY blowhards like Francesca. He used to throw out continuous plaudits for Bronson Arroyoooo. "Why can't the Yankees have a pitcher like Arroyoooo?"

He was even envious about some some AAAA scrub the Red Sox brought up one time, Brandon something or other, because he threw a couple scoreless innings.
   30. Nasty Nate Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:50 PM (#3649488)
Beckett in odd-numbered years: 757 innings, 3.36 ERA. in even-numbered years: 765 innings 4.53 ERA. So being completely rational and logical of course, he'll be good for 2 of the next 3 years and then the Sox should get him to agree to a trade and make his mess of 2014 someone else's problem.
   31. Dale Sams Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:53 PM (#3649491)
FanGraphs has him right on league average (88.6% vs. 88.2%). It's a dropoff from his career mark of 82% (which includes 2010).


Thanks Jose.
   32. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: September 27, 2010 at 03:56 PM (#3649493)
Beckett's 71-39 with a 4.28 ERA in a Boston uniform. Not top-10 performance by any means and this year has been a complete washout, but he's been pretty good overall, even combining the good (odd) years and the mediocre (even) ones. I hold out a good amount of hope that he'll be back to good next year.

I'm much more optimistic about Beckett's results over the course of his contract than I am over Lackey's.
   33. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:03 PM (#3649500)
I'm much more optimistic about Beckett's results over the course of his contract than I am over Lackey's.

Lackey is doomed. He's also ugly. He also seems like kind of a jerk.
   34. Textbook Editor Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:28 PM (#3649516)
He also seems like kind of a jerk.


Continuously showing up your teammates by rolling your eyes after balls drop in, errors, etc. will certainly make one seem that way.

On the other hand, Lackey has provided me a teachable moment: several times this season, with TE, Jr. watching games with me, I pointed out that a good teammate never, ever, never does the stuff Lackey does when balls drop in, errors are made, etc. He gets it, and he's five years old. Too bad Lackey doesn't.

But thanks, Lackey, for providing me the chance to teach my son how NOT to be a good teammate.
   35. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:33 PM (#3649521)
But thanks, Lackey, for providing me the chance to teach my son how NOT to be a good teammate.

His grimaces might carry a little more weight if he weren't so consistently mediocre this year.
   36. Smiling Joe Hesketh Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:50 PM (#3649534)
He's been doing that for years. When he'd come to Fenway with the Angels, he'd stomp around the mound and scream "I Hate this ####### Place" and the cameras would pick it up. He's a tool. Unfortunately he's our tool now, and he's already a disaster of a signing.
   37. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:50 PM (#3649535)
I think my favorite Lackey moment was yelling at Mike Scioscia when he came to take Lackey out during the ALCS. It was his second trip to the mound, John, you were going no matter how much you yelled.
   38. chris p Posted: September 27, 2010 at 04:57 PM (#3649540)
I pointed out that a good teammate never, ever, never does the stuff Lackey does when balls drop in, errors are made, etc.

although, it would be funny to see beltre throw a fit after lackey gives up a home run.
   39. Textbook Editor Posted: September 27, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3649545)
#38 - I've come to love the goofball that is Beltre. Not sure if I'd feel the same way if he was batting .260/.320/.400, but for this year, I've enjoyed it.

I can sort of see Theo's thinking: Lackey (historically) > Burnett; if I sign Lackey for Burnett $, I win!

But if he thought he was getting a #1 pitcher, he was sadly mistaken. The problem is, Lackey thinks he's a #1...

We can only hope overall baseball inflation somehow makes Lackey's contract seem reasonable for a #4 innings-eater in Spring, 2013, and can move him then. Because I can't see who the hell would want him in the next 2 years.
   40. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 05:04 PM (#3649546)
although, it would be funny to see beltre throw a fit after lackey gives up a home run.

Yes, this would be cool. Who would win in a fist-fight between those two? Lackey is a big dude, but he doesn't look like a brawler to me. He might fight dirty, however.
   41. Nasty Nate Posted: September 27, 2010 at 05:13 PM (#3649562)
Lackey will be fine, its not like the Zito contract or anything. I think this year will be his worst for the Sox, and it was still an innings-eater year and not a Beckett or 09-Matsuzaka disaster.
   42. Nasty Nate Posted: September 27, 2010 at 05:21 PM (#3649572)
I can sort of see Theo's thinking: Lackey (historically) > Burnett; if I sign Lackey for Burnett $, I win!

We can only hope overall baseball inflation somehow makes Lackey's contract seem reasonable for a #4 innings-eater in Spring, 2013, and can move him then. Because I can't see who the hell would want him in the next 2 years.


Thats all we can hope for? Cmon. I can hope for 210 innigs and a 3.50 ERA for the next few years, and maybe some gutsy playoff starts. And lots of teams would want him for the next few years, but not his contract. Trying to trade him now and take the $$ hit would be foolish, and of course create a hole in the rotation.
   43. Textbook Editor Posted: September 27, 2010 at 05:43 PM (#3649600)
Thats all we can hope for? Cmon. I can hope for 210 innigs and a 3.50 ERA for the next few years, and maybe some gutsy playoff starts. And lots of teams would want him for the next few years, but not his contract. Trying to trade him now and take the $$ hit would be foolish, and of course create a hole in the rotation.


The K/9 rate is alarmingly low. He's either hurt or the skills are fading. He just doesn't miss bats, and I can't see him figuring out this anytime soon/ever.

Theo's eaten contracts before. (See Renteria, Edgar.) Lackey's would require more eating than Renteria's, to be sure, but Theo's shown in the past he'll do it if he thinks he can't reasonably expect more production going forward.

I forgot Lugo's $ comes off the books this year too, so we have a bit more to play with than I thought.
   44. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 05:50 PM (#3649606)
I could be wrong and maybe I'm biased, but Lackey looks a lot like a guy who, while still useful, has probably already pitched his best baseball.
   45. RJ in TO Posted: September 27, 2010 at 05:54 PM (#3649611)
I could be wrong and maybe I'm biased, but Lackey looks a lot like a guy who, while still useful, has probably already pitched his best baseball.

That wouldn't be surprising. After all, he's a 31 year old pitcher, who missed parts of both 2008 and 2009 with arm/shoulder problems.

He should be better than he was in 2010, but it's extremely unlikely that he'll return to his 2007 form.
   46. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: September 27, 2010 at 05:59 PM (#3649615)
I could be wrong and maybe I'm biased, but Lackey looks a lot like a guy who, while still useful, has probably already pitched his best baseball.
I think if you make this prediction for a guy who is already 31, you're going to be right a lot more often than you're wrong.

Lackey will probably rebound to 2008-9 form next season, at which point the question will be his health. If can throw another 200 innings, while giving them a 115 ERA+ pitcher, that's a very nice thing to have. If he goes somewhere in his 2008-9 inning range (170) that's less so.

EDIT: I think even Theo and Tito would say, if they were being 100% honest, they don't expect 2007 Lackey to come through that door
   47. Nasty Nate Posted: September 27, 2010 at 06:01 PM (#3649619)
He's either hurt or the skills are fading.


Or...he just had an off-year.

The Renteria trade is instructive. He rebounded in Atlanta, the Sox had to eat some money, and then they had to fill a SS hole (which they did w/ another bad contract). Sure they got Marte (who begat Coco) but I think they might have been better off not bailing after the first year of the contract.
   48. Textbook Editor Posted: September 27, 2010 at 06:08 PM (#3649622)
#47 - Dubront/Wakefield can fill Lackey's spot at least as well as Lackey did in 2010. (Wakefield gets the starts Dubront doesn't get because they'd likely limit his innings.) That tandem is already in-house and cheap, so you wouldn't have to find a replacement if you wanted to save $ to spend it elsewhere.

I'm irrationally high on Dubront, of course. I'd love to see him get a chance to be a 5th starter, especially if it means we can shed $9-10 million or so of Lackey's salary in the process.
   49. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 06:11 PM (#3649625)
Isn't Lackey signed for four more years? If Renteria is your comparison piece, those last two years will be grisly. He was solid the first post-Boston year and very good the second. He has been quite dire since then.

But beyond that, Lackey just looks like a guy who has lost the snap on his pitches. Maybe he'll get it back, but the consensus bet would probably be not so much.
   50. Nasty Nate Posted: September 27, 2010 at 06:22 PM (#3649628)
But beyond that, Lackey just looks like a guy who has lost the snap on his pitches. Maybe he'll get it back, but the consensus bet would probably be not so much.


every pitcher who has an off-year (including peripherals) looks like this.
   51. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: September 27, 2010 at 06:26 PM (#3649631)
But the previous couple years, he was a bit less effective (though still good) and missed substantial time through injury. This year, he stays on the mound, but with a significant decline in his effectiveness. All around, this looks to me like the accretion of wear and tear. Could I be wrong? Could he turn it around and pitch better? Certainly. Will he still be unpleasant to look at and an apparent jerk? Without a doubt.
   52. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 27, 2010 at 06:30 PM (#3649633)
Dubront/Wakefield can fill Lackey's spot at least as well as Lackey did in 2010


Ugh. Please no on Wakefield. I share your irrational love of Doubront who reminds me of Bruce Hurst everytime I watch him pitch but Wakefield is just a "no" at this point. He's trending like Lackey and at 44 years old is a hell of a lot less likely to bounce back at all.
   53. Textbook Editor Posted: September 27, 2010 at 07:05 PM (#3649652)
Jose, I hear you, but I'd trust the knuckleball to once again dance (over 15 or so starts) in 2011 a hell of a lot more than I'd trust Lackey to reverse his K rate and become useful.

What I *don't* want them to do is #### with Dubront and turn him into "the New Okajima" for 2011. Lester--if anything--is proof of how valuable a quality LH starter is. You let Dubront go back to starting and you run him out there like that unless/until he proves he can't cut it as a starter.
   54. fhomess Posted: September 27, 2010 at 08:46 PM (#3649740)
The ball-strike calls were all over the place all game long. It wasn't just for Papelbon.
   55. Nasty Nate Posted: September 27, 2010 at 08:55 PM (#3649747)
Jose, I hear you, but I'd trust the knuckleball to once again dance (over 15 or so starts) in 2011 a hell of a lot more than I'd trust Lackey to reverse his K rate and become useful.


thats crazy talk
   56. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: September 27, 2010 at 09:05 PM (#3649754)
What I *don't* want them to do is #### with Dubront and turn him into "the New Okajima" for 2011.


Why not? A year as a reliever is not the worst way in the world to get acclimated to pitching at the Major League level. Doubront as a starter should certainly be the long term goal but barring something surprsing I doubt he would be in the rotation to start next year. At the same time I also doubt he wouldn't be one of the ten best pitchers in the organization and would deserve a spot on the big league roster.

Having him (as a 23 year old) pitch in relief should not set him back in terms of development. There is no reason they can't stretch him out in the off-season and have him ready to step in for the inevitable injuries, use him a bit like they used Masterson in 2008/2009.
   57. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: September 27, 2010 at 09:09 PM (#3649758)
Jeremy Bonderman is pretty great.

Michael Kay actually did call Bonderman a great pitcher earlier this season, too.
   58. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: September 27, 2010 at 09:12 PM (#3649764)
He's trending like Lackey

Wakefield's lost the zip on his fastball too!
   59. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: September 27, 2010 at 09:49 PM (#3649799)
Wake is retiring... Hopefully.

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