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Crazy stuff.

Jim Furtado Posted: May 30, 2014 at 11:00 PM | 55 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dan Posted: May 30, 2014 at 11:34 PM (#4716426)
I cannot ever recall a pitcher being warned and then not getting tossed for hitting a batter with an inside fastball later in the game. I've seem pitchers given the benefit of the doubt if an HBP comes on a curveball plunking someone in the foot or something, but I had never seen what happened tonight. That was ridiculous. What is the point of a warning if the pitcher who caused it can continue to hit batters and not get tossed?
   2. Esoteric Posted: May 30, 2014 at 11:50 PM (#4716434)
As far as I'm concerned they should have also ejected David Ortiz, given the Rays two or three "bonus" runs, and then awarded David Price the Medal of Honor while they were at it. Because #### the Red Sox.
   3. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: May 30, 2014 at 11:56 PM (#4716436)
I don't mind Price plunking Ortiz. I'm one of the few "unwritten rules" proponents around here so hey, if Price doesn't like Papi taking a stroll around the bases by all means plunk him. In fairness, Price did it "right". Hit the guy in the ass, I'm cool with that.

The umps blew it. I know it's standard but I hate it. You don't issue the warnings. You let Workman come out the next inning, plunk Longoria THEN issue the warnings. If that happens no problems. Instead you are just setting up a situation where the Carp thing happens and the benches empty. If the warnings had been issued after a Workman retaliation then I don't think anyone would have said boo when Carp was hit.
   4. SteveF Posted: May 30, 2014 at 11:59 PM (#4716437)
Two or three bonus runs are about the only way the Rays could score more than a couple runs in a game these days.
   5. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 31, 2014 at 12:03 AM (#4716438)
As far as I'm concerned they should have also ejected David Ortiz, given the Rays two or three "bonus" runs, and then awarded David Price the Medal of Honor while they were at it. Because #### the Red Sox.


The way the umpires handled it, they basically did what you asked, Nessus. You have to eject Price when he hits Carp near the head with a fastball. Even if he didn't mean it (and Price has about the best control in the AL), if you don't eject him after he hits Ortiz, everybody gets a warning, etc., then you are going to force the other team (Boston) to enforce "fairness" themselves. You could see this one coming a mile away...
   6. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 31, 2014 at 12:31 AM (#4716451)
What a shock, the Rays acting like classless ########. They're the perfect Wall Street franchise, pocket the profits and cry poor while being complete shitheels.
   7. Sonic Youk Posted: May 31, 2014 at 12:45 AM (#4716455)
Ortiz went off in the postgame, so this is a thing now.
   8. odds are meatwad is drunk Posted: May 31, 2014 at 01:06 AM (#4716461)
#### the redsox apparently they haven taken the role of being unwritten rules enforcers after the braves.
   9. Lindor Truffles Posted: May 31, 2014 at 01:12 AM (#4716462)
When the hell did Ortiz become redass in chief? I'm all for big personalities but Papi has to take some deep breaths. Throwing a temper tantrum after the game is a terrible look.

Sean Rodriguez also needs to chill out...Gomes and Maricon Escobar actually acted their ages for once.
   10. Sonic Youk Posted: May 31, 2014 at 01:22 AM (#4716463)
The unwritten rules of what? Not getting thrown at?

I'm used to the Red Sox being heels, but man do the Rays seem to have a lot if good will for basically no reason. They are pretty obnoxious.
   11. Dan Posted: May 31, 2014 at 01:56 AM (#4716473)
#### the redsox apparently they haven taken the role of being unwritten rules enforcers after the braves.



If that's your issue then David Price is the one you should be hating on. He chose Ortiz as his target because he is still butthurt about Ortiz "admiring" a home run in the ALDS last year when it was right down the line and he was watching to see if the ball stayed fair.

"He knows how I've pitched him for the last probably year-and-a-half, two years," Price said. "So he steps in the bucket and hits a homer. And he stares at it to see if it's fair or foul, I'm sure that's what he would say, but as soon as he hit it and I saw it I knew it was fair. Run."
   12. Dale Sams Posted: May 31, 2014 at 02:36 AM (#4716481)
Myyyyyyyerrrrrssss.

And as I said last year...the so-called Sox-Yanks rivalry has nothing on this.

Also, better make sure Price has Molina next game he pitches against the Sox, he might be the only guy who could stop Ortiz from breaking Price in half.
   13. Publius Publicola Posted: May 31, 2014 at 08:49 AM (#4716489)
He chose Ortiz as his target because he is still butthurt about Ortiz "admiring" a home run in the ALDS last year when it was right down the line and he was watching to see if the ball stayed fair.


I don't think it's that. I think Maddon chose Ortiz because he's the best hitter and it was payback for last weeks dust-up.

BTW, the Ray did win one game last night- the HBP game, 3-0.

Kind of karmic justice they lost in extras on an HBP to Gomes.
   14. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: May 31, 2014 at 08:51 AM (#4716490)
The PC Police are out and calling Ortiz a misogynist.
   15. Koot Posted: May 31, 2014 at 09:07 AM (#4716492)
It was awesome the Red Sox won last night, especially after the way a lot of things went (three Red Sox batters hit, three managers and a pitcher ejected, no Rays hit). I disagree with how the umpires handled the ejections throughout the game. (I think, if you're going to warn both benches in the first, there's no way you can let Price stay in after hitting Carp. It was probably not intentional, but, you already warned him.) But, it's baseball and sometimes these things go your way and sometimes they don't.

I like the way Farrell handled the media after the game too. He explained that he was upset they warned both benches, can't figure out how he and his coaches kept getting thrown out when it was his batters getting hit. And, it makes total sense.

If this was the other way around, Maddon would be going on about how the opposing pitcher was a bad teammate and about how there was clear intent with the pitches. I know Davey Johnson went off about Maddon a couple years back, I'm surprised another manager has said "keep my players names out of your pompous, smelly mouth".
   16. Publius Publicola Posted: May 31, 2014 at 09:14 AM (#4716493)
I agree. Maddon, and Showlater, are way too quick with the HBPs, though they do it differently. Maddon does it at the drop of a hat, at the mere hint of any impropriety, like coming in too hard at second or if one of his players gets insulted and stuff like that. Showalter will throw at you if your bat has been doing a little too well lately.
   17. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 31, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4716495)
Check out the video clip of the Ortiz HR in Game 2 of last year's ALDS (his second one of the game), the one being discussed in this context. He hit it a mile high and deep - so high that it went over the Pesky Pole, it was curving, etc. If you've ever sat in the section of Fenway, it is a very bizarre angle. Ortiz waited to start running until it was called a HR, and if actually look at how he rounds the bases, it is WAY faster than he usually does his HR trot. Seriously. This whole thing is pretty silly.

Hey David Price: You know the best way to avoid David Ortiz "looking" at his home runs against you, or "dogging" it around the bases?

Don't give up home runs to him. Or at least win a World Series or three.

I hate it when excellent pitchers like Price do this sort of stuff - if David Price just pitches his game, he is going to make his "statement" by being one of the best in the game, and winning a lot more than he loses. Isn't that more satisfying than putting a gift runner on base, and then risking the health of other players on both teams for the rest of the night?
   18. Magnum RA Posted: May 31, 2014 at 09:55 AM (#4716500)
Showalter will throw at you if your bat has been doing a little too well lately.


This is false. Maybe a RS player got hit playing the O's, but Buck didn't order it.

On another note, I see nothing likable about Ortiz. He's a big baby. He got hit in the ass for showboating. Suck it up, that's the price you pay. Respect is a two way street. He wants to point his bat and run his mouth. Having Ortiz and David "Fussy Pants" Ross on the same roster makes it so easy to hate this team.
   19. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 31, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4716516)
Hey David Price: You know the best way to avoid David Ortiz "looking" at his home runs against you, or "dogging" it around the bases?


Plunking him in his ample ass seems to work.
   20. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 31, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4716517)
David Ortiz : Boston :: Derek Jeter : NYY
   21. Publius Publicola Posted: May 31, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4716522)
Maybe a RS player got hit playing the O's, but Buck didn't order it.


And you have inside knowledge of this how?

I remember the blowout Yankees game where Russell Martin hit two homers and he was drilled right in the back in the ninth inning for no apparent reason.
   22. joeysdadjoe Posted: May 31, 2014 at 11:42 AM (#4716528)
David Ortiz : Boston :: Derek Jeter : NYY

Not even close. Jeter doesn't act like a ##### when these things happen.
   23. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 31, 2014 at 11:49 AM (#4716531)
Plunking him in his ample ass seems to work.

Sam H still butthurt over Braves getting swept. Film at 11.
   24. Lassus Posted: May 31, 2014 at 12:11 PM (#4716535)
Not even close. Jeter doesn't act like a ##### when these things happen.

I can't quite grasp what this has to do with the stated analogy.
   25. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: May 31, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4716541)
One thing to remember about Ortiz is the rarity of him getting hit by a pitch. He is very, very adept about getting out of the way. Chances are, if he gets hit, it is intentional. Something like 1 out of every 260 AB's.
   26. Rickey! trades in sheep and threats Posted: May 31, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4716544)
still butthurt over Braves getting swept. Film at 11


The question at hand was "how do you keep David Ortiz from pimp walking HRs?" There are multiple ways to do that, all of which involve not letting him hit HRs. One absolutely certain method of preventing him from hitting a HR is to drill him in the ass with the pitch. You only use one arm action pitch on your pitch count (as opposed to 4 for the IBB.) You assure yourself that he will only get one base (preventing a HR and a double - you never really worry much about Ortiz hitting a triple.) And as an added bonus, you quite obviously get in his head for the next at bats. Ortiz is easily punked with HBBs. That being the case, more pitchers should play that game with him. It makes him uncomfortable, and it doesn't really harm you (Ortiz isn't going to swipe 2nd and 3rd and score on a sac fly.)
   27. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: May 31, 2014 at 01:13 PM (#4716546)
Did anyone tell Ortiz that getting hit by a pitch helps his stats? I'm pretty sure if he knew that he'd want to give Price a hug.
   28. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 31, 2014 at 01:23 PM (#4716547)
No matter who your favorite team is, I bet you would like to have had David Ortiz over the past decade. I like that he gets his "stats" for my favorite team. These "stats" also help win three "rings".

All that said, there are a number of guys on the Red Sox that are hard to like...
   29. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 31, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4716552)
All that said, there are a number of guys on the Red Sox that are hard to like...
Ortiz is terrific fun to root for if he's on your team. When he flips the bat then cruises around the bases like a battleship on vacation, it must be awesome. Less so if he's not on your team.
   30. Rough Carrigan Posted: May 31, 2014 at 02:29 PM (#4716562)
Have you ever much noticed whether the guy rounding the bases on a homer against your team took 20 seconds or 30? Who really cares?

On tv you couldn't tell whether one of the two homers that Ortiz hit off Price in the ALDS was fair or foul even after multiple replays. Price came across like a whiny sore loser to complain in the press the way he did. But, as Ortiz mentioned after the game last night, he and Price talked on the phone and everything was cool, or so he thought.

Remember, before the dust up with Coco Crisp (then on the Sox) and James Shields in 2008 (I think) Rays coaches were practically giggling before that game saying something on the order of "Wait till you see what happens tonight!" Shields hit Crisp either on the orders of or with the okay from Maddon. One can't help but wonder if a similar thing happened here.
   31. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 31, 2014 at 02:33 PM (#4716563)
Plunking Ortiz is a mewling prick move, especially citing the cause as a home run that was barely fair and that he wasn't even close to showing you up after hitting.

David Price has a million dollar arm and a ten cent head, he's always been and always will be a piece of ####. Also, he looks like he rapes dogs. Dead dogs.
   32. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 31, 2014 at 02:44 PM (#4716569)
Have you ever much noticed whether the guy rounding the bases on a homer against your team took 20 seconds or 30? Who really cares?
I don't, not really, Players do, though. They hate it, we know they hate it, they'll tell you they hate it, and they act on it. If, say, Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols jacked one out of Fenway and took an episode of of The View to round the bases, you can be sure the Sox would be looking to put his head on a pike, and you'd be perfectly fine with it.

Accept that Ortiz does something other teams hate, accept that they'll act on that hate, and accept that your team has done it, too.
   33. Dale Sams Posted: May 31, 2014 at 02:52 PM (#4716571)
Ortiz is easily punked with HBBs


Aww man...looking up Ortiz's stat line following HBP is not going to be an easy matter.

They hate it, we know they hate it, they'll tell you they hate it, and they act on it. If, say, Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols jacked one out of Fenway and took an episode of of The View to round the bases, you can be sure the Sox would be looking to put his head on a pike, and you'd be perfectly fine with it.


BS. Until Ross's fit the other day, I can't recall the last time a Sox team gave a #### about the unwritten rules. I actually thought it was more of an NL phenomena.

I still think Ross was saying something along the lines of "Nice steal with no one covering, that'll look great on your highlight film" and then hell broke loose cause Escobar "Challenged the dugout". Not that I think Escobar was wrong to do that. I'm just saying I would think it was less about unwritten rules and more about being a dick to Escobar.
   34. Publius Publicola Posted: May 31, 2014 at 03:29 PM (#4716580)
Have you ever much noticed whether the guy rounding the bases on a homer against your team took 20 seconds or 30? Who really cares?


Rough, don't bother. He's just a troll.
   35. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 31, 2014 at 03:36 PM (#4716582)
BS. Until Ross's fit the other day, I can't recall the last time a Sox team gave a #### about the unwritten rules.
From an outsider's perspective, the Sox-Yanks HBP exchanges always centered around unwritten rules about who hit who first, and why. It wasn't that long ago. I suppose you can draw distinctions as to which reasons are valid and which are not, but generally most of those reasons boil down to "Don't dare show us up."

Rough, don't bother. He's just a troll.
Did they teach you about that in the Army?
   36. Random Transaction Generator Posted: May 31, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4716588)
Aww man...looking up Ortiz's stat line following HBP is not going to be an easy matter.


David Ortiz has been HBP in 25 games with the Red Sox (as a DH).

I have to run out of the house now, but someone can do the culmulative stats for this.
   37. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: May 31, 2014 at 03:50 PM (#4716589)
I don't, not really, Players do, though. They hate it, we know they hate it, they'll tell you they hate it, and they act on it. If, say, Miguel Cabrera or Albert Pujols jacked one out of Fenway and took an episode of of The View to round the bases, you can be sure the Sox would be looking to put his head on a pike, and you'd be perfectly fine with it.

I am a Sox fan, and I wouldn't. Intentionally throwing at people is the lowest form of bullying. Hiding behind your mount 60 feet away. It's actually one of the problems we have with the over-fetishization of sport. We wouldn't tolerate something like that anywhere else. If you throw something as hard as a baseball at 90+ mph at somebody, you would be facing an assault charge. It's one thing when it is part of the actual playing of the game, like tackles in football. I just don't see how that applies with intentionally throwing at people, or hockey players beating on each other. The proper response to that should be to bring charges.
   38. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 31, 2014 at 03:52 PM (#4716592)
A quick look suggests Ortiz really doesn't get hit by pitches a lot. Counting last night, he has 35 HBP in his entire career. 1that's in 8,472 careers PAs. He's 19th among active players in PAs, but barely in the top 100 among active players in HBP. In fact, the two guys immediate ahead and behind him in career active PAs (Torii Hunter and Alfonso Soriano) have exactly the same number of career HBP - 86.

Why is this? Id some of it that teams are very careful not to pitch him inside, because if you miss a little bit towards the plate, he is going to clean it out? Is he really quick about avoiding it?
   39. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 31, 2014 at 04:21 PM (#4716600)
Is he really quick about avoiding it?


Yes. David Ortiz really does not like to get hit by pitches, and he's very skilled at avoiding that fate.

HBPs are just as much, if not more, a function of the batter, not the pitcher.

   40. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 31, 2014 at 04:36 PM (#4716607)
From the box scores:
HBP 8th inning, no further AB
HBP 5th inning, BB
HBP 5th inning, BB, single, (RBI)
HBP 7th inning, no further AB
HBP 7th inning, no further AB
HBP 7th inning, BB
HBP 4th inning, F8 deep center, SH, popup to SS
HBP 6th inning, BB
HBP 5th inning, G3-1, G3-1
HBP 6th inning, K
HBP 1st inning, K, BB, K, G4-3
HBP 3rd inning (w/ bases loaded), G3, BB, K
HBP 5th inning, BB, 1-6-3 GIDP
HBP 4th inning, L7, single (RBI)
HBP 7th inning, no further AB
HBP 7th inning, no further AB
HBP 8th inning (w/ bases loaded, AGAIN), no futher AB
HBP 3rd inning, IBB, K
HBP 2nd inning, K, K, K (against Roy Halladay, who pitched a 3 hitter)
HBP 7th inning, F9 deep right-center
HBP 8th inning, no further AB
HBP 4th inning, single, double (2 RBI) L7
HBP 7th inning, double
HBP 1st inning, SF (RBI), K
HBP 1st inning, F8 deep center, single (RBI), F8, G4-3

7 games where he didn't hit again.
Other games: .214/.368/.286

38 PA
28 AB
8 BB
4 1B
2 2B
2 Sac
22 Outs

9 K
1 IBB
1 GIDP
6 RBI
   41. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: May 31, 2014 at 04:45 PM (#4716612)
Also, Games in last three years: .444/.400/.677, 4 RBI

I think it's clear from the numbers that we don't have enough of a sample to say anything definitive. But if we are drawing conclusions, then it's clear that Ortiz used to be a passive "punk" after being plunked, but now he's manned up and is a beast. So either way, Sam H. doesn't know what he's talking about. Which is about par for the course.
   42. cardsfanboy Posted: May 31, 2014 at 05:33 PM (#4716633)
I hate agreeing with Red Sox fans, but Ortiz was perfectly in the right on that homerun. The ball was either a homerun or a foul ball, so there is no old timey rule that says "run in case it doesn't go out". It was up in the air whether it was going to be fair or foul, and Ortiz is not the best physical shaped guy, jogging to first base on a foul ball would tire him out if he had to return and give the pitcher an advantage over him. He was perfectly just in waiting until the call before leaving the batters box.

I hate it when excellent pitchers like Price do this sort of stuff - if David Price just pitches his game, he is going to make his "statement" by being one of the best in the game, and winning a lot more than he loses. Isn't that more satisfying than putting a gift runner on base, and then risking the health of other players on both teams for the rest of the night?


Unless it's Pedro, then I'm sure you were fine with his headhunting, butt hurt ways.

I'm used to the Red Sox being heels, but man do the Rays seem to have a lot if good will for basically no reason. They are pretty obnoxious.


Can't we just say that the entire US contingent of the AL East are all pretty obnoxious. (add in the entire NL Central to that list along with the Braves and Dodgers, and you have pretty much all the obnoxious teams....you can exempt the Pirates from the NL Central if you want, don't think anybody has a problem with them)

   43. simon bedford Posted: May 31, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4716662)
not sure whats so obnoxious about the jays, i mean bautista has given up his whining ways and escobar is long gone,,,
   44. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 31, 2014 at 07:30 PM (#4716671)
Division rivals are always going to find each other obnoxious. As an Angel fan, I find nothing lovable about Texas, Seattle, or Oakland. I hope they all catch something very bad, and lose all their games. I'm sure they feel the same about Los Angeles of Anaheim.
   45. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 31, 2014 at 07:32 PM (#4716672)
Unless it's Pedro, then I'm sure you were fine with his headhunting, butt hurt ways.


1) No. No pitcher should be trying to hit batters. It is better to try to get them out. Sometimes, you're going to hit a batter, because a pitch goes awry. I understand some people disagree with this position.

2) In any conversation about baseball over the last, say, 40 years, using Pedro Martinez as an example of how another pitcher can or can't do something is about the worst argument one can make. It makes David Price look like a child, which really isn't fair to David Price.

In Pedro's peak (1997-2003), he went 118-36, with an ERA+ of 213 (over a seven-year period, mind you); 1761 Ks, 315 BBs, in 1408 IP.

Whatever.
   46. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 31, 2014 at 07:37 PM (#4716675)
But how good Pedro was shouldn't have any bearing on how we evaluate his headhunting. Pedro was awesome, maybe the best; we all agree. Pedro was also happy to drill a guy when he felt the need; I don't think there's any doubt about that, either.
   47. cardsfanboy Posted: May 31, 2014 at 07:41 PM (#4716676)
In Pedro's peak (1997-2003), he went 118-36, with an ERA+ of 213 (over a seven-year period, mind you); 1761 Ks, 315 BBs, in 1408 IP.


Yes, and yet he managed to hit 70 batters in that time frame, while he had impeccable control. He's the absolute 100% definition of a headhunter. Not Drysdale, not Gibson, but when someone talks about a headhunter, if Pedro Martinez isn't the first name mentioned, then they have very little baseball knowledge.

2) In any conversation about baseball over the last, say, 40 years, using Pedro Martinez as an example of how another pitcher can or can't do something is about the worst argument one can make. It makes David Price look like a child, which really isn't fair to David Price.


Nobody is comparing his quality to Pedro, we are talking about the headhunter that was Pedro Martinez. Nobody has that great of a control and is that wild. Red Sox fans have a hard on for Pedro, he was a great pitcher, but they are as blind to his faults as Yankee fans are to Jeter. Pedro was a headhunter. No ifs, ands or buts about it. He was an admitted headhunter, and Red Sox fans don't have a problem with that, yet they are all up in arms over Price supposedly having issues with Ortiz.

Mind you, I think Price was wrong in having issues, and think that is why people should be upset with him, but anyone who is a fan of Pedro and doesn't call out his headhunting ways, has no grounds to bag on Price for his headhunting ways.
   48. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 31, 2014 at 08:11 PM (#4716682)
He was an admitted headhunter, and Red Sox fans don't have a problem with that, yet they are all up in arms over Price supposedly having issues with Ortiz.


Look at my first point, above - I am pretty black-and-white on this one: If Pedro wanted to tell somebody to #### themselves, he could just make them look silly by pitching his game. That is the best way to "stick it" to somebody, and you don't risk injury.

To underscore your point about Pedro's control: in his best five-year period (1999-2003), he walked 181 batters (2 of those were intentional). In that same period , he hit 53 batters.

This is remarkable - that in five years he had exactly two IBBs...and that his walk-to-HB ratio was a little over 3-to-1. That is Nintendo kind of statistics...
   49. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 31, 2014 at 08:19 PM (#4716685)
Look at my first point, above - I am pretty black-and-white on this one: If Pedro wanted to tell somebody to #### themselves, he could just make them look silly by pitching his game. That is the best way to "stick it" to somebody, and you don't risk injury.

To underscore your point about Pedro's control: in his best five-year period (1999-2003), he walked 181 batters (2 of those were intentional). In that same period , he hit 53 batters.
And to underscore CFB's and my point, those 53 hit batsmen were likely nearly all intentional, yet Red Sox nation didn't rise up in indignation at all the plunks. The Sox drill guys like everyone else drills guys, and they're indignant about it the way everyone else is when they get drilled.
   50. rr Posted: May 31, 2014 at 08:23 PM (#4716687)
Division rivals are always going to find each other obnoxious. As an Angel fan, I find nothing lovable about Texas, Seattle, or Oakland. I hope they all catch something very bad, and lose all their games. I'm sure they feel the same about Los Angeles of Anaheim

--

This is one reason that I support, aesthetically at least, the unbalanced schedule. I think it helps to foment that healthy dislike of the noisy neighbors a couple of doors down.
   51. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: May 31, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4716693)
Most of my friends are Mets fans so I can't hate them. The Braves and Nationals can burn in hell. The Marlins too of course, but people outside the NL East would say the same.
   52. jacjacatk Posted: May 31, 2014 at 09:20 PM (#4716697)
Yes, and yet he managed to hit 70 batters in that time frame, while he had impeccable control. He's the absolute 100% definition of a headhunter. Not Drysdale, not Gibson, but when someone talks about a headhunter, if Pedro Martinez isn't the first name mentioned, then they have very little baseball knowledge.


Greg Maddux, non-IBB/9 = 1.5, HB/9 = .25
Pedro Martinez, non-IBB/9 = 2.3, HB/9 = .44
Don Drysdale, non-IBB/9 = 1.9, HB/9 = .40
Bob Gibson, non-IBB/9 = 2.8, HB/9 = .23

By this metric, Maddux was about 87% the headhunter Pedro was, and Pedro was about 90% the headhunter Drysdale was. And Gibson basically doesn't register.
   53. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 31, 2014 at 09:41 PM (#4716699)
Ortiz pops up near mound, doesn't run it out. Should be HBP in batting practice, if I understand the Unwritten Rules article.
   54. cardsfanboy Posted: May 31, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4716706)
By this metric, Maddux was about 87% the headhunter Pedro was, and Pedro was about 90% the headhunter Drysdale was. And Gibson basically doesn't register.



I figured that Gibson wasn't going to pop up too high on any metric about hit batsman, he never really hit people, he just made them think he would.
   55. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: June 01, 2014 at 06:21 AM (#4716766)
As a Red Sox fan, I won't defend Pedro for drilling people. He did, and it was very obviously intentional, and I always hated that part of his game. A pitcher as good as he was, he should have been above it.

The only quibble I would have is calling it headhunting. I think that should be reserved for guys who hit guys in the head intentionally...

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