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Wednesday, December 09, 2009

Boston Red Sox - Steering it from the “bridge” - The Boston Globe

With each passing day, I suspect the Sox are getting more and more used to the idea they will have to make due in leftfield next year. If Bay gets offered a fifth year for big dollars I can’t see the Sox signing him. If Boras is really looking for Teixeira money for Holliday, I can’t see the Sox in on him either. So what do they do in that case? Pick up more bullpen depth, sign Harden, and try to put together some low risk alternatives to David Ortiz in case he doesn’t have a big rebound year.

“We talked about this a lot at the end of the year, that we’re kind of in a bridge period,’’ he said. “We still think that if we push some of the right buttons, we can be competitive at the very highest levels for the next two years. But we don’t want to compromise too much of the future for that competitiveness during the bridge period, but we all don’t want to sacrifice our competitiveness during the bridge just for the future. So we’re just trying to balance both those issues.’’

That necessary talent might not come until next offseason, when the market is far better and the Sox will be shedding some major contracts (David Ortiz, Mike Lowell). They recognize that there are no major impact free agents on the market right now, no players like Mark Teixeira worthy of those big-money deals. There are such players on the trade market. But, it seems, the Sox would rather hoard their prospects.

Jim Furtado Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:03 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. OCD SS Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:30 PM (#3407742)
Papi and Lowell both only make around $12M. If Shedding their contracts is what's limiting spending then something is wrong.
   2. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:50 PM (#3407746)
I don't think it's just a matter of the contracts for Ortiz and Lowell but the available talent. There are some pretty good reasons not to go five years on Bay or Teixeira money on Holliday. Personally I'm a Holliday guy but I'm willing to admit I may be wrong once in awhile.
   3. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: December 09, 2009 at 12:52 PM (#3407747)
It's "make do", Boston Globe!
   4. tjm1 Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:04 PM (#3407751)
If Boras is really looking for Teixeira money for Holliday, I can’t see the Sox in on him either. So what do they do in that case? Pick up more bullpen depth, sign Harden, and try to put together some low risk alternatives to David Ortiz in case he doesn’t have a big rebound year.


It doesn't matter what Boras is looking for. It matters whether someone else is willing to pay that. Everyone knows Holliday isn't as good as Teixeira, but that he is a very good player. The only thing that could lead to Holliday getting Teixeira money is that there are so few impact free agents in this year's bunch. I'd say sign Bay if you can get him for about 4/70 or less - otherwise view next year as a rebuilding year, try to scrape a wild card, and sign someone like Marlon Byrd as an outfield supersub. Marcus Thames as a right-handed DH/1B/LF might not be a bad pickup either, and I'm sure he could be had for 1 year, $2 million or so.
   5. OCD SS Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:38 PM (#3407763)
I'm a Holliday guy as well, and I'll go so far as to suggest that the difference between him and Teixeira is not that much (3 year career WAR is 15.6/ 29.7 for Teix vs. 19.9/ 29 for Holliday). If they were willing to spend $170M on Teixeira, I don't think they should bat an eye at spending $140M on Holliday. I don't see Bay as much more than a plan 'C' at this point.

The thing is they can't 1)hoard prospects and 2)not spend money in the FA market and still expect to 3)actually add talent. It seems very odd to previously worry about bumping up against the luxury tax threshold, but then say there aren't any "Teixeira like" free agents available worth spending on; a lot of the article reads like a subtle response to Boras.
   6. The District Attorney Posted: December 09, 2009 at 01:44 PM (#3407767)
Clearly the Boston Globe is acting here as a media mouthpiece for the Red Sox front office. Take this as a sign that the Red Sox are trying to unload the Bunker Hill Bridge, and are looking to tear down public opinion of bridges so they'll look good when they dump it.
   7. OCD SS Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:01 PM (#3407772)
Listen, I know Lowell looks stiff, but he was moving much better at the end of the season, and referring to him as any kind of building material is simply unfair.
   8. Jim Furtado Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:16 PM (#3407786)
Personally I'm a Holliday guy but I'm willing to admit I may be wrong once in awhile.

Hmm, we've found an outlier.
   9. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: December 09, 2009 at 02:30 PM (#3407801)
OK, then, who would win in a footrace between Lowell, Papi, and the Zakim?
   10. Textbook Editor Posted: December 09, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3408063)
Perhaps the interest in Coco is to go with a speedier lineup/better OF defense? Are SB and SB% the new market inefficiencies they're mining?

I mean, the drop in slugging from Bay/Ellsbury to Ellsbury/Crisp would be pretty drastic...

OTOH... Maybe they're considering Youkilis for LF if they get A-Gon from SD? With him moving to 3B for Lowell and Ellsbury to LF/Crisp to CF on those days? I know it wasn't pretty last year the few games he played there, but I have to think if given a whole off-season to prep he'd at least be as bad as Bay out there, and I think folks could live with that--no spectacular plays, just making the routine ones.
   11. Jose Canusee Posted: December 09, 2009 at 05:43 PM (#3408064)
What does the remainder of Carlos Lee's contract look like compared to the projections for Bay?
   12. tjm1 Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:15 PM (#3408359)
Are SB and SB% the new market inefficiencies they're mining?


I doubt it. There are just a handful of players who can steal enough bases at a high enough success rate to be worth more than half a win a season.
   13. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:18 PM (#3408367)
Crisp isn't a bad 4th outfielder if they lose Bay and throw Hermida out there. Speed and defense is perfectly fine from your backup guy.

TE - Francona said something to the effect of "we won't do that again" with respect to Youk in the outfield after his debacle in New York.
   14. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:23 PM (#3408373)
I'm on record as saying that whoever signs Holliday will suffer from a pretty serious winner's curse. If Bay goes more than four years, the same will be true. If they want to compete next year, there has to be a trade in the works. They might find themselves behind Tampa otherwise, and outside looking in come playoff time.
   15. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:32 PM (#3408392)
Crisp isn't a bad 4th outfielder if they lose Bay and throw Hermida out there. Speed and defense is perfectly fine from your backup guy.

I sure hope Hermida isn't the Red Sox starting LF next year. This offseason is a failure if that happens.
   16. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:45 PM (#3408410)
I sure hope Hermida isn't the Red Sox starting LF next year. This offseason is a failure if that happens.


I suspect that Hermida, or at least a platoon involving Hermida, is Option C behind Bay and Holliday.
   17. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 09, 2009 at 08:47 PM (#3408412)
I sure hope Hermida isn't the Red Sox starting LF next year. This offseason is a failure if that happens.
Not if they trade for Halladay. But otherwise, yeah.
   18. Famous Original Joe C Posted: December 09, 2009 at 11:50 PM (#3408660)
Not if they trade for Halladay. But otherwise, yeah.

As a platoon part and if they get Halladay (or improve the pitching dramatically otherwise), sure.
   19. Darren Posted: December 10, 2009 at 01:27 AM (#3408694)
I'm on record as saying that whoever signs Holliday will suffer from a pretty serious winner's curse.


But aren't you also on record as being favor of going as high as 5/100 for him (or am I confusing you for someone)?

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