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Wednesday, November 20, 2013

Bowman: After Hudson, Braves seek short-term veteran starter

There was some thought that the Braves might be among those teams that could be in the market for David Price or any of the other legitimate aces that could be available on the trade market. But Wren has made it clear that he is not willing to mortgage his club’s future by offering the kind of package it would likely take to get one of these pitchers.

Instead, it seems more likely that Atlanta will evaluate the trade market in search of an accomplished veteran who would not require as significant of a return package. One possible target seems to be Milwaukee’s Kyle Lohse, who has compiled a 3.19 ERA in the 95 starts he has combined to make with the Brewers and Cardinals over the past three years.

If the Brewers are willing to trade Lohse, they will likely be seeking a first baseman in the return package. The Braves might be able to satisfy this need with a package that would include Joey Terdoslavich and another prospect.

Terdoslavich + David Hale + Dan Uggla for Lohse + Rickie Weeks

Make it happen, Frank.

Rickey! something like a pipe-bomb ready to blow Posted: November 20, 2013 at 04:01 PM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: atlanta, hot stove, milwaukee

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   1. Traderdave Posted: November 20, 2013 at 04:50 PM (#4603308)
Zito's looking for a job...
   2. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: November 20, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4603313)
Terdoslavich + David Hale + Dan Uggla for Lohse + Rickie Weeks



A Terd for a Turd.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: November 20, 2013 at 07:36 PM (#4603429)
Hey, why settle for Lohse when you can have a nearly new Edwin Jackson? Don't the Braves know it's all about the FIP?!
   4. cardsfanboy Posted: November 20, 2013 at 09:13 PM (#4603531)
Hey, why settle for Lohse when you can have a nearly new Edwin Jackson? Don't the Braves know it's all about the FIP?!


Is Edwin Jackson the new Javier Vazquez? Guys who the stat community like because of fip, even though they don't have the results to match the hype?
   5. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: November 20, 2013 at 09:30 PM (#4603555)
John Lackey can be Atlanta's for the next two years at a combined $15.75 million. Hard to beat that.

The Red Sox would probably be looking for a 1B prospect, a strong right-handed reliever...they need a major-league catcher for the next year or two, until their prospects reach the bigs, but the Braves are about to lose their catcher...not sure we have a match here...
   6. Rickey! something like a pipe-bomb ready to blow Posted: November 20, 2013 at 10:57 PM (#4603615)
Even with McCann leaving the Braves have three catchers for 2014. (Laird, Gattis and Bethancourt)
   7. bigglou115 Posted: November 21, 2013 at 12:44 AM (#4603669)
Even with McCann leaving the Braves have three catchers for 2014. (Laird, Gattis and Bethancourt)


And as a Braves fan I don't know if I'm happy going into a season banking that one of those guys can carry the load. Gattis developed more and more discipline issues the more games he accrued, Bethencourt has one decent offensive year in the minors that could or could not signal a turnaround, and Laird is... well Laird. There's a very real chance that the Braves get very little production out of Catcher next year.

Of course, I'm entirely dissatisfied with the Braves's apparent offseason plan altogether. They seem to believe that Jordan Schafer is significantly better than he is, they're missing an OFer, they have a hole at 2B, and they seem to be banking on CJ2.0 to keep trucking on the back of the luck dragon. They seem committed to play LaStella or Pastornicki if Uggla is bad, which should get them at least above replacement level next year, but they're likely taking huge steps back at 3 positions. I get that their hands are tied, but if they want to compete for another 2-3 years their gonna have to get creative, and 2-3 years is it since the rumor mill seems to indicate that an extension for Heyward is out and that's when they'll start losing pitchers to FA. They gotta start drafting again, but I guess what I'm getting at is that there should really be no impetus to decrease offensive depth to add a marginal benefit to the pitching staff.

What really frustrates me is this idea that its not about adding a consistent starter, or even a very good one, its about veteran presence. That isn't exactly something I think teams should go way out of their way for if they have other needs.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: November 21, 2013 at 01:14 AM (#4603676)
Is Edwin Jackson the new Javier Vazquez? Guys who the stat community like because of fip, even though they don't have the results to match the hype?

I believe that's Lincecum or Liriano.

I'm just trying to get the Cubs out from under the Jackson contract. By the way, his FIP is nothing amazing, about 3.75 or so compared to Lohse around 4.00. Lincecum is around 3.6. Oops, I think those are xFIPs.
   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: November 21, 2013 at 03:43 AM (#4603689)
How much of the contract will you pay, Walt, and what will you want in return? I could see the Pirates being interested if AJ retires.
   10. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: November 21, 2013 at 10:17 AM (#4603782)
Hell, the Braves would love another Javier Vazquez. They got a near Cy Young-caliber season out of the original model.

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