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Monday, March 12, 2012

BPro: Goldstein: 2012 Organizational Rankings

1. San Diego Padres
Top 11 Prospects List
System At a Glance: They might lack that one marquee name, but no system in baseball can boast of having as many players at the upper levels who project as average or better big leaguers.

2. Toronto Blue Jays
Top 11 Prospects List
System At a Glance: A ridiculous number of high-ceiling teenage arms to go with some elite up-the-middle talent.

3. St. Louis Cardinals
Top 11 Prospects List
System At a Glance: They’ve suddenly become a drafting and development beast, with plenty of help coming beginning in 2013.

4. Oakland Athletics
Top 11 Prospects List
System At a Glance: The rebuilding has begun with a greatly enriched farm system set up for a window that doesn’t exist until MLB gets off their hands in terms of a potential move.

5. Kansas City Royals
Top 11 Prospects List
System At a Glance: Down a bit due mostly to big league promotions, but some rebounds from the lefties that disappointed in 2011 would be nice.

Thanks to Googie.

Repoz Posted: March 12, 2012 at 04:58 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Willie Mayspedester Posted: March 12, 2012 at 05:13 PM (#4079215)
I'm guessing the Mariners come in at 6th.
   2. Brian C Posted: March 12, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4079221)
I guess this year will go a long way toward determining how bad the White Sox have to be before Kenny Williams gets let go.
   3. Walt Davis Posted: March 12, 2012 at 06:58 PM (#4079292)
Why is a "window" for the A's any less obtainable than it is for the Padres, Jays or Royals (not to mention Rays)?
   4. The Piehole of David Wells Posted: March 12, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4079312)
So, for all the ######## about the A's not getting any high draft picks, here they are with the #4 farm system.
   5. bobm Posted: March 12, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4079330)
#7org!
   6. Lassus Posted: March 12, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4079331)
I'm guessing the Mariners come in at 6th.

Oh good lord, the missed opportunity for an epic thread: They're 7th! Booooooooooo!

DAMMIT BOBM
   7. JJ1986 Posted: March 12, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4079335)
So, for all the ######## about the A's not getting any high draft picks, here they are with the #4 farm system.


They added about 80% of the prospects this offseason.
   8. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 12, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4079363)
Wow, I haven't been paying attention I guess. The Padres' system sure went from crappy to great quickly. I might be underestimating the haul they got in the Adrian Gonzalez deal, but I can't imagine that trade helped it that much.
   9. JJ1986 Posted: March 12, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4079365)
I might be underestimating the haul they got in the Adrian Gonzalez deal, but I can't imagine that trade helped it that much.


The Mike Adams trade actually helped more.
   10. asinwreck Posted: March 12, 2012 at 10:03 PM (#4079395)
Heckuva job, Kenny Williams.
   11. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: March 12, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4079412)
And of course the Mat Latos trade.
   12. WillieMays Haze Posted: March 12, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4079418)
Looks like the haul from the Latos trade (Grandal, Alonso) wasn't even included in his Top 11 Padres prospects either.

I'm very excited about the outlook of San Diego. Even as early as this year they might be competitive.
   13. Anonymous Observer Posted: March 12, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4079428)
3. St. Louis Cardinals


This pleases me.
   14. escabeche Posted: March 13, 2012 at 12:15 AM (#4079444)
Hey look, another place for the Orioles to be last in the AL East!

(Though looking at the descriptions, I don't see that anybody except Toronto has a clearly better system. On the other hand, the teams that are not Toronto have good major league players on the field now.)

What's worse than this mediocre rating is that the Orioles had a pretty highly rated system not long ago. And those players are now in the major leagues, and just about every one is underperforming expectations. Under the circumstances, it's hard to get too excited about Bundy and Machado.

But I do, becuase despite everything, the Orioles are an exciting team to watch and I love rooting for them, and while they always end up being bad, it's never in exactly the way you expect.

   15. Dr. Vaux Posted: March 13, 2012 at 06:57 AM (#4079510)
3. St. Louis Cardinals



This pleases me.


Unfortunately it was Luhnow's work, and he's now with the Astros. Here's hoping Mozliak knows what to look for in a farm director and didn't just get lucky.

Under the new CBA, scouting is going to be at the highest premium of anything in baseball.
   16. Dr. Vaux Posted: March 13, 2012 at 07:01 AM (#4079511)
I'm very excited about the outlook of San Diego. Even as early as this year they might be competitive.


Yes, depending on whether the Dodgers new owners hire a saber GM, the Padres could dominate the NL West for most of the decade. I'd think the Dodgers new owners would be hiring a saber GM, though
   17. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 13, 2012 at 09:19 AM (#4079556)
The A's were as high as #2 a few years ago and it didn't lead to anything. We'll see, I guess.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 13, 2012 at 09:28 AM (#4079558)
the Padres could dominate the NL West for most of the decade


What makes us think they won't trade their good players as soon as they become arb-eligible like the A's do? They traded A-Gone with what two years left on his deal, and that's when they were reasonably competitive. Latos was gone with several years left before free agency. Now their ownership seems up in the air. Save for a brief period in the late 90s, the Pads have been running things on the cheap ever since Ray Kroc died.
   19. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 13, 2012 at 10:48 AM (#4079630)
What makes us think they won't trade their good players as soon as they become arb-eligible like the A's do?

Because the city built them a new stadium so they wouldn't have to!
   20. villageidiom Posted: March 13, 2012 at 11:41 AM (#4079695)
Hey look, another place for the Orioles to be last in the AL East!
The entire AL East is no worse than 16th. Wow.

In the meantime, 4 of the AL Central teams are in the bottom 9. Go Royals!
   21. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 13, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4079715)
The entire AL East is no worse than 16th. Wow.

The AL West has 4,6 and 7.
   22. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 13, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4079727)

The AL West has 4,6 and 7.


And 23 and 26.
   23. Squash Posted: March 13, 2012 at 12:30 PM (#4079749)
As an A's fan that's a pretty aggressive rating. It's hard to be that high with such a dearth of true impact position player prospects. If one or two of those SPs were SSs instead yeah, but I wouldn't put this group that high.
   24. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 13, 2012 at 12:31 PM (#4079753)
And 23 and 26.

That Astros thing is this year already? I have been watching way too much soccer.
   25. villageidiom Posted: March 13, 2012 at 12:54 PM (#4079799)
That Astros thing is this year already? I have been watching way too much soccer.
Next year. But prospects are all about next year.
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 13, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4079914)
The entire AL East is no worse than 16th. Wow.

And four of the five between 12 and 16. Talk about clustering.
   27. donlock Posted: March 14, 2012 at 10:07 AM (#4080466)
whether the Dodgers new owners hire a saber GM


Is a saber GM so armed to protect fans in the parking lot at Dodger Stadium or fight off hostile sports columnists?

If the reference is to a GM who uses statistics to help make decisions, is there an organization who does not have such a person, or, more likely, a room full of such people?

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