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Thursday, February 14, 2013

BR: Rymer:Analyzing How the Cutter Has Impacted Offense in Major League Baseball

A couple years ago, the cut fastball was Mariano Rivera’s pitch. He was the only pitcher in baseball who threw it with any regularity, not to mention with any real skill.

Now it seems like every pitcher in the majors features a cutter in their repertoire. The popularity of the cutter has increased dramatically, and hitters around the league aren’t crazy about it.

“Your brain is telling you fastball,” Torii Hunter told Sports Illustrated in 2011. “Then the ball breaks, and you’re done.”

“The cutter,” Chipper Jones told ESPN’s Buster Olney, also in 2011. “The bane of my existence.”

“It’s not a fun pitch at all,” Corey Hart told MLB.com last year. “If a normal pitcher can throw that well, he becomes a really good pitcher. It’s frustrating, because a lot of guys are throwing it now. It’s another thing we don’t want them to throw.”

Based on testimonies such as these and the sudden popularity of the cutter, you’d think it was the ultimate pitch.

It just might be, for the statistics vouch for it as well. Observe…

a LONG article about TEH PITCH

Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 14, 2013 at 01:31 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 14, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4369883)
what happened to the blockquotes??!!
   2. Basil Ganglia Posted: February 14, 2013 at 04:40 PM (#4369884)
A couple years ago, the cut fastball was Mariano Rivera’s pitch. He was the only pitcher in baseball who threw it with any regularity, not to mention with any real skill.

Jamie Moyer says "Hi and thanks for remembering me."
   3. Jason Michael(s) Bourn Identity Crisis Posted: February 14, 2013 at 04:47 PM (#4369889)
Andy Pettitte and Kevin Brown would like a word with the author.
   4. stealfirstbase Posted: February 14, 2013 at 04:52 PM (#4369897)
And Mark Buehrle.
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 14, 2013 at 05:15 PM (#4369931)
And Lenny Dykstra's kid.
   6. Jose is an Absurd Doubles Machine Posted: February 14, 2013 at 05:21 PM (#4369936)
what happened to the blockquotes??!!


You have to use
now. Not sure when the change happened.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 14, 2013 at 05:28 PM (#4369944)
use what, JCSS?
   8. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: February 14, 2013 at 06:39 PM (#4369975)
It's the slider of the 21st century!
   9. Gch exhales the vast drunken folly of Epicurus Posted: February 14, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4369979)
what happened to the blockquotes??!!


I don't submit news often, but I'm pretty sure that you have to use < blockquote > without the spaces.
   10. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 14, 2013 at 06:56 PM (#4369981)
I don't submit news often, but I'm pretty sure that you have to use < blockquote > without the spaces.

that's what I did (and always do)---I submitted an item a couple days ago and it came out fine
   11. Walt Davis Posted: February 14, 2013 at 08:19 PM (#4370042)
And Greg Maddux for crying out loud. And that nasty one Derek Lowe threw to ... was it Hatteberg or Melhuse?

And 16-17 year-old me for that matter although admittedly nobody called it a cutter in the late 70s and the "real skill" part was missing but it was still a "fastball" with a little break to the right. It was the only pitch I had that didn't completely rely on the fact my friends were mostly crappier hitters than even I was.
   12. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: February 14, 2013 at 08:25 PM (#4370047)
I don't submit news often, but I'm pretty sure that you have to use < blockquote > without the spaces.

that's what I did (and always do)---I submitted an item a couple days ago and it came out fine
The key is to use the interface system. Don't write your own code. Click the quotation marks button, it'll give you the right formatting. I don't know why writing your own code creates problems now and again, but it does.
   13. Tripon Posted: February 14, 2013 at 08:28 PM (#4370049)
There is no interface when you're submitting news, that's the issue.
   14. Sweatpants Posted: February 14, 2013 at 08:37 PM (#4370050)
And Greg Maddux for crying out loud. And that nasty one Derek Lowe threw to ... was it Hatteberg or Melhuse?
These weren't cutters. These were two-seam fastballs with extreme movement. A cutter from a right-handed pitcher bores in on a left-handed hitter, whereas the pitches I'm pretty sure you're thinking of tailed away from lefties.
   15. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: February 15, 2013 at 05:28 AM (#4370154)
And that nasty one Derek Lowe threw to ... was it Hatteberg or Melhuse?


The one he got Terrence Long to strikeout on in the 2003 ALCS?
   16. Jack Carter, calling Beleaguered Castle Posted: February 15, 2013 at 08:54 AM (#4370189)
"Analyzing how the Cutter Has Impacted Offense in Major League Baseball"

Colons are impacted. Offense is affected.
   17. villageidiom Posted: February 15, 2013 at 09:03 AM (#4370192)
Jamie Moyer says "Hi and thanks for remembering me."
Moyer threw a cut changeup.
The one he got Terrence Long to strikeout on in the 2003 ALCS?
Lowe says that pitch was a slider. Well, he says backdoor slider, to be precise.
   18. Basil Ganglia Posted: February 15, 2013 at 03:32 PM (#4370374)
Moyer threw a cut changeup.

Moyer regularly threw his cutter at 82 mph. That makes it a cut fastball.
   19. simpleton & childlike gef the talking mongoose Posted: February 15, 2013 at 04:00 PM (#4370394)
Colons are impacted. Offense is affected.


Thank you, sir.

   20. AT-AT at bat@AT&T Posted: February 15, 2013 at 07:00 PM (#4370482)
i want to meet tim lincecum´s cutter ! (and shake her/his hand !)
   21. Squash Posted: February 15, 2013 at 08:52 PM (#4370526)
Lowe says that pitch was a slider. Well, he says backdoor slider, to be precise.

You could call it that (he could call it that) as a colloquium, but it's a two-seam fastball. Sliders move away from the pitcher's arm side. Two-seamers move toward the pitcher's arm side. You throw a two seamer like Lowe's by pronating your wrist inward as you throw with your fingers on top of the seams, which emphasizes your natural arm-side movement, particularly when you throw from Lowe's armslot (i.e. the sinker armslot). A slider or cutter is thrown by pronating outward with your fingers together on one seam (like a karate chop but with two fingers). So you could say a two seamer is a backdoor or reverse slider in that it moves in the opposite direction as a slider, but they're different pitches that move by different mechanisms - the spin is completely different. The break is also very different - a slider's break is sharp and quick and all at once, while a two-seamer more continually bores in on you - there isn't really a break per se, it's more like a boomerang in that it just keeps coming and coming.
   22. Barnaby Jones Posted: February 16, 2013 at 06:35 PM (#4370830)
These weren't cutters. These were two-seam fastballs with extreme movement. A cutter from a right-handed pitcher bores in on a left-handed hitter, whereas the pitches I'm pretty sure you're thinking of tailed away from lefties.


Maddux threw both.
   23. Greg Pope Posted: February 16, 2013 at 07:33 PM (#4370849)
Colons are impacted. Offense is affected.

From Dictionary.com, quoting Random House:

Usage note

The verb IMPACT has developed the transitive sense “to have an impact or effect on” (The structured reading program has done more to impact the elementary schools than any other single factor) and the intransitive sense “to have an impact or effect” (The work done at the computer center will impact on the economy of Illinois and the nation). Although recent, the new uses are entirely standard and most likely to occur in formal speech and writing.
   24. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 16, 2013 at 09:46 PM (#4370867)
Although recent, the new uses are entirely standard and most likely to occur in formal speech and writing.

doesn't mean we old fogeys can't rail against it

(lawn off get)
   25. jyjjy Posted: February 16, 2013 at 10:30 PM (#4370884)
And turn down that rap "music." It's impacting my ability to hear Matlock.

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