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Friday, March 14, 2014

Brad Ziegler tweets his mind, and then some

He wants baseball’s drug testing program strengthened and says it’s impossible to believe the game is totally clean without it. He wants Milwaukee Brewers star Ryan Braun to once and for all divulge the details that led to his drug suspension instead of vague apologies. He wants the Hall of Fame to be off limits to any player linked to performance-enhancing drugs. And, if it’s not asking too much, he wants every player to hustle to first base.
When the St.Louis Cardinals signed Jhonny Peralta to a four-year, $52 million contract this offseason less than two months after the shortstop served a 50-game suspension for his links to the Biogenesis doping scandal, Ziegler reacted to the controversial deal on Twitter: “It pays to cheat. Thanks, owners, for encouraging PED use.”

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   1. Knock on any Iorg Posted: March 14, 2014 at 05:33 AM (#4671301)
And, if it’s not asking too much, he wants every player to hustle to first base.

If Cano is found to have been using PED Ziegler's head is going to explode.
   2. Drexl Spivey Posted: March 14, 2014 at 08:08 AM (#4671313)
"I'd like to think that guys will, if nothing else, respect that I have an opinion," Ziegler tells USA TODAY Sports. "And I'm not afraid to say it.

"I'll throw a political comment out there occasionally.


I'm so glad that I'm not a Diamondbacks fan.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 14, 2014 at 09:40 AM (#4671361)
The conversations between him and Brandon McCarthy must be interesting.
   4. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 14, 2014 at 09:51 AM (#4671378)
Billy Beane never should have taught him to pitch sidearm...

"He's very candid, honest and has a very solid opinion on matters," Diamondbacks President Derrick Hall says. "He has such a great pulse with the players. He's a strong union guy, too, and he feels a responsibility to communicate his thoughts and opinions to the fans.

"I encourage it and applaud it."


This reminds me of Jim Bouton's line in Ball 4, though, that you're only being political if you say something liberal. Lucky for Brad his politics align with his bosses.
   5. Rough Carrigan Posted: March 14, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4671589)
John Henry, the primary owner of the Red Sox is a blue team pompom waiver. He's not the only owner who is. This isn't that unusual. In a magazine article about how the scumbag heads of the big, scumbag Wall Street banks were (or were not) getting along with Obama, New York magazine casually noted that most Wall Street bank CEO's are democrats. (Why not, when you own the government and you can make sure it prevents you from simply going bankrupt like you should, a powerful government probably doesn't look so bad.) Saying something indicative of a libertarian point of view might be more troublesome for the speaker in some clubhouses.
   6. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: March 14, 2014 at 01:14 PM (#4671617)
John Henry, the primary owner of the Red Sox is a blue team pompom waiver.

Sure, but Ziegler doesn't play for the Red Sox and I don't know of any counterexamples of Henry and company supporting or shutting down any political tweets from their players.
   7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 14, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4671675)
Saying something indicative of a libertarian point of view might be more troublesome for the speaker in some clubhouses.


I can't imagine what would get a libertarian censored other than criticism against military actions. Maybe if they said something like the Civil Rights act was a bad idea or something really extreme like that.
   8. The District Attorney Posted: March 14, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4671692)
I can't imagine what would get a libertarian censored other than criticism against military actions.
I think Luke Scott would probably describe himself as a libertarian. Of course, he was criticized for being an idiot, not for soberly critiquing the philosophical foundation of the modern nation-state.

I don't know of any counterexamples of Henry and company supporting or shutting down any political tweets from their players.
They did shut down their "senior advisor"'s commentary on a controversial issue...

These tweets certainly don't endear Ziegler to me, which is a shame since I normally like sidearmers, but hey, they're his politely-stated-enough opinions and he wants to express them. It does provide further evidence that a tough anti-PED stance is not simply just the MLB successfully rolling the union, but is to a large extent a goal shared by the union members. (Although I still don't know what exactly Ziegler wanted to do to prevent Jhonny Peralta from signing a contract. I mean, I could make some stuff up, but has anyone within the sport ever actually proposed a specific rule in this area?)
   9. JE (Jason) Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:26 PM (#4671731)
John Henry, the primary owner of the Red Sox is a blue team pompom waiver.

I am pretty sure that Bud Selig has given almost exclusively, if not exclusively, to Democrats.
   10. Mike Emeigh Posted: March 14, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4671754)
I am pretty sure that Bud Selig has given almost exclusively, if not exclusively, to Democrats.


Selig's pretty close to former Senator Herbert Kohl and has also given to guys like Chris Dodd and Carl Levin.

-- MWE
   11. CFBF Is A Golden Spider Duck Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:16 PM (#4671778)
Selig's pretty close to former Senator Herbert Kohl and has also given to guys like Chris Dodd and Carl Levin.


I imagine any conversation between the four of those guys taking place entirely in the language of phlegmatic throat clearings.
   12. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:28 PM (#4671789)
I think Luke Scott would probably describe himself as a libertarian. Of course, he was criticized for being an idiot, not for soberly critiquing the philosophical foundation of the modern nation-state.


And he wasn't censored by his employer, so far as I know.
I am pretty sure that Bud Selig has given almost exclusively, if not exclusively, to Democrats.


Selig has donated money to the DSCC, and Sens Dodd, Levin, and Feingold, all Dems.

Others:
Peter Angelos (BAL) - All Dems. Pelosi, notable Senators, local Maryland officials.
Mark Attanasio (MIL) - Obama for President, Hillary for President, Romney for President (2008), Dems Harry Reid, Chuck Schumer, Russ Feingold
Robert Castellini (CIN) - McCain for President, Romney for President, Ohio Dem Party, NRSC, Mitch McConnell, local Ohio Republicans
Jim Crane (HOU) - Just the MLB PAC
Ray Davis (TEX) - Rudy Giuliani for President, Ted Cruz (R), Roger Williams (R), Texas GOP
Bill DeWitt (STL) - Rob Portman (R). I believe Portman and DeWitt are both pals of Bush.
Larry Dolan (CLE) – Romney for President, McCain for President, Lee Fisher (D) for Gov of Ohio
David Glass (KCR) - McCain and Brownback for President. Local KC politicians from both sides of the aisle. Arkansas politicians, mostly Republicans, but Democrat Mike Ross too.
John Henry (BOS) - Can't find anything.
Michael Ilitch (DET) - Romney for President, NRCC, Chuck Schumer (D), Kristen Gillibrand (D), Candice Miller (R), Debbie Stabenow (D), Charlie Rangel (D)
Earvin Johnson (LAD) - Obama for President, Hillary for President, other Dems
Ken Kendrick (ARI) – All Repubicans: Laura Knaparek, Jane Norton, Jeff Flake, Ted Cruz, Kirk Adams, Ben Quayle
Howard Lincoln (SEA) - Washington Dems - Patty Murray, Suzan Delbene, Steve Hobbes
Ted Lerner (WAS) – Gerry Connolly (D), Chris Van Hollen (D), Donna Edwards (D), Roy Blunt (R), Tom Davis (R)
Jeffrey Loria (MIA) - Romney for President, Corey Booker (D)
Charles Monfort/Dick Monfort (COL) – Colorado GOP, Romney for President, John Boehner, Joe Coors (R)
David Montgomery (PHI) – Local PA Dems – Bob Casey, Allyson Schwartz, Bob Brady
John Moores (SDP ) – Hillary for Presidents, Dems Henry Waxman, Max Baucus, Arlen Specter, Bill White, Dianne Feinstein
Arte Moreno (LAA) - Romney for President, other Republicans.
William Neukom (SFG) - Obama for President, other Dems, also Lindsay Graham
Robert Nutting (PIT) – Romney for President, NRCC, Susan Collins (R), David McKinley (R)
Jim Pohlad (MIN) - Obama for President, Tim Kaine, Minnesota and Wisconsin Dems
Jerry Reinsdorf (CHW) - Both sides of the aisle. Bob Kerrey, Dick Durbin, Joe Manchin, Harry Reid, but also Jeff Flake, Kelly Ayotte, Josh Mandel, Rob Simmons
Tom Ricketts (CHC ) – Joe Pollak (R) and Robert Dold (D), both running in IL
Harold Steinbrenner (NYY) - Chuck Schumer (D), Jose Cerrano (D), McCain for President
Stuart Sternberg (TBR) – Obama for President, Kristin Gillibrand (D), Charlie Crist (I)
Fred Wilpon (NYM) – Rudy Giulani for President, mostly NY area Dems (Anthony Weiner!), but also Peter King (R)
Lew Wolff (OAK) - Chris Dodd for President, Romney for President, Tom Campbell (R) for Senate

I don't know how to search for company contributions from Liberty Media (ATL) and Rogers Communications (TOR)
   13. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:40 PM (#4671797)
Jim Crane (HOU) - Just the MLB PAC


There's an MLB PAC?!?

Jeffrey Loria (MIA) - Romney for President, Corey Booker (D)


Lots of wealthy folks support pols of different stripes, but that's a pretty interesting daily double.
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:42 PM (#4671799)
Thanks for digging that up. The most interesting thing about that list is how many owners give to both sides of the aisle, although I guess it's not a surprise that they would feel the need to buddy up to whomever is in power.

I am shocked that Ilitch donated to Dems, though.
   15. JE (Jason) Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4671805)
Tom Ricketts (CHC ) – Joe Pollak (R) and Robert Dold (D), both running in IL

For the record, that's Joel Pollak, now with Sam's favorite news source, Breitbart.com. Dold succeeded Mark Kirk in '10, then lost two years later.
   16. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: March 14, 2014 at 03:48 PM (#4671806)

I am shocked that Ilitch donated to Dems, though.


What about Illitch would make his donations to Dems shocking? I can see being stunned if former Tigers owner and fellow crappy pizza magnate Tom Monaghan had given to Democrats, but I don't know of anything that makes Illitch stand out from the rest of the super rich.
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 14, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4671840)
I guess I had Ilitch confused with Monaghan. Monaghan is the one who is a very conservative Catholic activist.

Ilitch does have a really frightening toupee, though.
   18. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: March 14, 2014 at 04:38 PM (#4671859)
I can't imagine what would get a libertarian censored other than criticism against military actions. Maybe if they said something like the Civil Rights act was a bad idea or something really extreme like that.

When he was asked whether or not marijuana should be legal, Mariano Rivera snorted. "Of course it should be," he said in broken english, "as should heroin and all drugs."

   19. Walt Davis Posted: March 14, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4671901)
Most House seats and many Senate seats aren't really contested so donations to incumbent reps aren't really an indication of political beliefs, just of schmoozing up to power. If you donate to a guy in a contested seat, that is donating out of political belief. If you donate to the guy challenging the 5-term Rep who won with 89% of the vote last time, then you're donating out of ideology.

The Wall Street bailout was Bush's decision, not Obama's. All Republicans are friends of Wall Street as are all Democrats except a small handful of "crazy" reps with no power beyond their district.
   20. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: March 14, 2014 at 06:32 PM (#4671908)
I can't imagine what would get a libertarian censored other than criticism against military actions. Maybe if they said something like the Civil Rights act was a bad idea or something really extreme like that.

When he was asked whether or not marijuana should be legal, Mariano Rivera snorted. "Of course it should be," he said in broken english, "as should heroin and all drugs."


Rivera then continued, "The next politician who offers public money to build a baseball stadium should be strung up from the nearest lamppost."

   21. Squash Posted: March 14, 2014 at 06:41 PM (#4671911)
Rivera then continued, "The next politician who offers public money to build a baseball stadium should be strung up from the nearest lamppost."

Forget censored, MLBPAC would probably have him shot and killed.
   22. JE (Jason) Posted: March 14, 2014 at 06:44 PM (#4671913)
When he was asked whether or not marijuana should be legal, Mariano Rivera snorted. "Of course it should be," he said in broken english, "as should heroin and all drugs."

For me, it's about the podium; I can't get past the idea of seeing Rivera on the podium. Maybe one day my position will change. I sort of hope it does. Heck, I loved watching Mariano Rivera play, too.
   23. Rough Carrigan Posted: March 14, 2014 at 11:08 PM (#4671988)
#19. When the crazy fraud known as TARP was first presented to congress it narrowly failed to pass and was supported by 2/3 of democrats in the house but only 1/3 of republicans. The affiliations of congressmen are a bit more nuanced than that.

And yeah you're right that some people put it on Obama and forget or ignore that Bush first executed all the bailouts. But come on. Obama's so different from Bush on the issue of bailouts that he did nothing, absolutely zero to reign them in despite a large percentage of his supporters in 2008 thinking that he was going to do just that. One could accuse him of a pathetic degree of cowardice if one was silly enough to believe he ever cared.
   24. Esoteric Posted: March 15, 2014 at 12:52 AM (#4672000)
Tom Ricketts (CHC ) – Joe Pollak (R) and Robert Dold (D), both running in IL
Minor correction: Bob Dold is a moderate Republican. Succeeded Mark Kirk in IL-10 (a rather Dem-leaning district in the NW suburbs of Chicago that was made even moreso in the infamous 2010 Illinois Democratic gerrymander) and very, very narrowly lost reelection in 2012, by only 3,000 votes. He's running again this year against Brad Schneider, the Democrat who defeated him.
Stuart Sternberg (TBR) – Obama for President, Kristin Gillibrand (D), Charlie Crist (I)
Charlie Crist is a Democrat. Well, for the present moment at least.
   25. Joe Bivens, Minor Genius Posted: March 15, 2014 at 07:33 AM (#4672021)
Your mom's a Democrat.
   26. Lassus Posted: March 15, 2014 at 07:57 AM (#4672024)
Minor correction: Bob Dold is a moderate Republican.

Can we get a clip of Bob Dole discussing what he thinks of Bob Dold?
   27. donlock Posted: March 15, 2014 at 11:43 AM (#4672066)
John Henry, the primary owner of the Red Sox is a blue team pompom waiver.


Does anyone have a picture of John Henry waving blue pompoms? Would love to see that.Matching skirt?

I think the poster meant "waver" not "waiver". Not sure what a blue team waiver would be. Maybe if you are a blue team guy on a red team with a red team owner , you go on the waiver list?
   28. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: March 15, 2014 at 11:51 AM (#4672070)
Can we get a clip of Bob Dole discussing what he thinks of Bob Dold?


Hmm... Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others!
   29. Baldrick Posted: March 15, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4672084)
#19. When the crazy fraud known as TARP was first presented to congress it narrowly failed to pass and was supported by 2/3 of democrats in the house but only 1/3 of republicans. The affiliations of congressmen are a bit more nuanced than that.

And yeah you're right that some people put it on Obama and forget or ignore that Bush first executed all the bailouts. But come on. Obama's so different from Bush on the issue of bailouts that he did nothing, absolutely zero to reign them in despite a large percentage of his supporters in 2008 thinking that he was going to do just that. One could accuse him of a pathetic degree of cowardice if one was silly enough to believe he ever cared.

So how's the weather on Neptune?
   30. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 15, 2014 at 01:50 PM (#4672099)
Charlie Crist is a Democrat. Well, for the present moment at least.


Yea, I think this was his run for Governor as an independent a few years back.

Arlen Specter has been on both sides of the aisle too, but he was a Dem when John Moores gave to him.


There's an MLB PAC?!?


The anti-trust exemption doesn't stay in place by itself!
   31. Jim Wisinski Posted: March 15, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4672113)
Yea, I think this was his run for Governor as an independent a few years back.


US Senate actually, the seat Rubio won.
   32. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 15, 2014 at 04:53 PM (#4672178)
For me, it's about the podium; I can't get past the idea of seeing Rivera on the podium. Maybe one day my position will change. I sort of hope it does. Heck, I loved watching Mariano Rivera play, too.


*golfclap*
   33. Rough Carrigan Posted: March 16, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4672358)
#29. Snark accompanied by no argument or facts to counter a statement is as good as letting it stand. Show me where I'm wrong. Until then you effectively said nothing.

TARP was a crazy fraud. Neil Barofsky, the former Inspector General of the TARP fund and others in the know have said as much.
There were more republicans voting against it so the statement in #19 that all team red is in the bankers' pockets but some of team blue isn't doesn't really jibe with that.
Bush pushed TARP and many many Obama supporters expected him to modify it or make it somewhat sane. He did nothing and in fact his treasury secretary consistently and actively worked to make it a more corrupt vehicle giving the bankers anything they wanted with no accountability. This is documented at length in Barofsky's book. This pattern of behavior makes any claim that Obama actually cared to make TARP function sensibly an untenable one.

Life's tough when you step out of your little echo chamber. Other people don't always agree with you.

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