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Thursday, July 10, 2014

Bradford: The A.J. Pierzynski problem was worse than anybody could have imagined

Maybe he was sending the pitcher a Yo?

A microcosm of Pierzynski’s approach was mentioned by more than one of the backstop’s former teammates, who revealed his propensity to spend a significant amount of time looking at his phone while at his locker during games. In one instance, after a particularly rough outing in which the starting pitcher had been pulled early in the game, Pierzynski could be found staring at his phone while the pitcher gave off the appearance of being an emotional wreck just a few feet away…

From the dugout, he would yell across the field at the opposition, or ridicule umpires during replay challenges. It made many cringe. This wasn’t the Red Sox way, the one that a World Series run had been built on.

And those flaws in his game that the Red Sox felt could be managed were becoming unmanageable. Pitchers started to express their preference to pitch to David Ross, with Pierzynski perhaps the team’s worst receiving catcher since Javy Lopez swept through town in 2006. He also made little effort to fall in line with the rest of the lineup in regard to seeing at least a few pitches, a frustration that came to a head when he grounded into an inning-ending double play on a first-pitch fastball after the Red Sox had loaded the bases with three walks in Seattle.

But the Red Sox couldn’t hit, and Pierzynski at least represented an opportunity for some offense. Wednesday, it was deemed that dynamic wasn’t worth keeping him around.

Prior to the Sox’ win, a group of about six or so players gathered over by where Pierzynski’s locker used to be, including a few position players. Later, one of the participants revealed it was the first time this year that he had hung out over in the corner, where the lockers of Ross, Jake Peavy and Jon Lester also resided. Listening to voices throughout the room, it was clear the catcher’s exit had opened previously closed doors in that room.

 

The District Attorney Posted: July 10, 2014 at 10:42 AM | 79 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: a.j. pierzynski, aj pierogi, red sox, technology

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   1. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM (#4747855)
It seems like it's almost exactly what I would have imagined.
   2. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 10, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4747859)
It seems like it's almost exactly what I would have imagined.


And yet, the Red Sox didn't designate him for assignment until he stopped hitting.
   3. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:01 AM (#4747864)
Sure, yeah, I don't think it should be a surprise to anyone that you can be a colossal jerk and keep your job as long as you can hit. Albert Belle and Barry Bonds weren't baking cupcakes for old ladies on their off days.
   4. McCoy Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:03 AM (#4747866)
Nor was Barry bonds spending his off days being hated by his teammates.
   5. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:04 AM (#4747867)
The Red Sox way is not to yell at the opposition or the umpires; the Red Sox way is to yell at the official scorer.
   6. Bitter Mouse Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:06 AM (#4747871)
Albert Belle and Barry Bonds weren't baking cupcakes for old ladies on their off days.


I am so tired of Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, A.J. Pierzynski and Chris Truby engaging in satanic rituals while everyone gives them a pass. It is an Outrage!
   7. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4747878)
I'm sick & tired of Albert Belle, Barry Bonds, A.J. Pierzynski and Chris Truby not baking cupcakes for old ladies on their off days.

Though I suppose there's a decent chance they would've used the blood of infants as an ingredient, so perhaps it's just as well.

But still!
   8. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4747883)
Thank goodness he had a one-year deal. In the article, Bradford mentions that a tipping point was in Seattle, when the team loaded the bases on three walks against Erasmo Ramirez. Even on the guy he struck out, it went to three balls...Ramirez was all over the place. (17 balls, 8 called strikes, two swings through 27 pitches).

A.J. comes up, bases loaded. Dennis Eckersley is the color guy for the broadcast, and he says, "There is no reason to do anything but let this guy keep walking batters. You need to be patient, and take advantage of Ramirez. (pause) Oh, boy. Of all people to have coming up, Pierzynski is so not the guy. He has no patience. (pause, as Pierzynski swings at the first pitch, and grounds out routinely to 2B to end the inning). Wow."

   9. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4747884)
Albert Belle and Barry Bonds weren't baking cupcakes for old ladies on their off days.


Albert Belle was an Eagle Scout in high school, and during his career his off-field charity work earned him nominations for both the Roberto Clemente Award and the Branch Rickey Award. In spite of his other failings, he seems like exactly the kind of guy who would have done stuff like that.
   10. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4747887)
Also, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

The Red Sox have no business acting surprised that AJ Pierzynski behaved for them like he behaved for every other team that's ever employed him, and trashing him on the way out the door is both classless and redundant.
   11. Bitter Mouse Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:24 AM (#4747889)
Perhaps it says something about me that I always have liked Albert Belle (he was on my one fantasy BBall back when I learned I should never play fantasy bball), Barry Bonds was my favorite player for years, I love to hate AJ Peirogi, and as people hated him more I liked the Centaur known as Arod more.
   12. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:27 AM (#4747895)
Albert Belle was an Eagle Scout in high school, and during his career his off-field charity work earned him nominations for both the Roberto Clemente Award and the Branch Rickey Award.


And then one day, a sportswriter called him "Joey"...
   13. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4747897)
As has been said this is not worse than could be imagined. If AJ was staring at photos of Madeline Albright on his phone then maybe the headline writer is onto something.
   14. Batman Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4747918)
A.J. was famous for his cell phone pictures of fried chicken and beer.
   15. Jack Keefe Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4747926)
Well Al they are all up set on Primer about how many players do not bake cup cakes for old ladies. There is numberous players which have not done this Barely Bonds Joey Bell Chris Troopy are some. And Mike Crudale Al. But Al it is unfare to AJ Pierogi to say he has not done so. Many is the Arbor Day me and AJ have sat up all night watching little confections rise and frosting them in the pastille colors that old ladies are wont to like inlcuding Lilac Lavender Vagina Pink and Lite Puke Green Al. Not ondly would AJ bake them for old ladies but he used to bake them for us on the Sox and frost them in black and white out Team Colors and make Empanadas for Ozzie Guillen. In fact I hear through the Great Vine that this is what got him in trouble in Boston Al. He would bake mini Red Sox cupcakes with ball sticthing in red Frosting that he would color with Human Blood. Then he would sit across the Clup House and toss them into John Lackeys Cake Hole and sing a little Song:

Breathe through your nose John Lackey
Breathe through your Nose
You need some Oxygen
Just squeeze your Lips together
While you Inhale
You'll be a Handsome Men

And that is what got him Deified Al.
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:58 AM (#4747927)
Albert Belle and Barry Bonds weren't baking cupcakes for old ladies on their off days.


I was going to say "they did, but they filled them with laxatives," but then it struck me that that would probably be an act of kindness for old ladies.
   17. JE (Jason) Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4747932)
From the dugout, he would yell across the field at the opposition, or ridicule umpires during replay challenges. It made many cringe. This wasn’t the Red Sox way, the one that a World Series run had been built on.

Like just about everyone else here, I'm no fan of AJ the ballplayer, but this is shtick drek.

EDIT: Or what Vlad wrote.
   18. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:01 PM (#4747933)
Pierzynski could be found staring at his phone while the pitcher gave off the appearance of being an emotional wreck just a few feet away


Boston sports media is hilarious.
   19. PreservedFish Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:07 PM (#4747942)
Many is the Arbor Day me and AJ have sat up all night watching little confections rise and frosting them in the pastille colors that old ladies are wont to like inlcuding Lilac Lavender Vagina Pink and Lite Puke Green Al


Laughed out loud at this. Could not explain to family.
   20. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4747943)
I am shocked that the exit of Boston Red Sox player is followed up with a hatchet job. Shocked!
   21. valuearbitrageur Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:32 PM (#4747958)
I am shocked that the exit of Boston Red Sox player is followed up with a hatchet job. Shocked!


That's not as shocking as AJ wearing out his welcome so quickly!

So how much longer do mentally challenged Luccino/Cherington get a pass for winning a World Series with a team Theo did more to build?

Cherington did his due diligence, calling various players on the Red Sox to pick their brains regarding Pierzynski, ultimately relaying along the way that any misstep would be on him


"My due diligence tells me you are going to be a huge problem, so I'll just assume telling you this means that you'll suddenly change career long behavioral patterns to fit in with our team while we pay you your biggest paychecks of your career".

From article it sounds like AJ didn't do jack to fit in, and no one from management made any effort to correct him, until they DFA'd him and used it as the reason.
   22. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4747960)
That's not as shocking as AJ wearing out his welcome so quickly!

Maybe, but this article is a little over the top. You know who else rudely stares at their phone these days? Everyone!
   23. Yoenis Cespedes, Baseball Savant Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:45 PM (#4747968)
Jack Keefe, BTF treasure!
   24. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4747971)
Who wins in a vicious personal battle like this? America.
   25. Sonic Youk Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4747974)
This time at least it was probably the players doing the bus-tossing. I don't think Lucchino would even bother besmirching a guy like AJ.
   26. Danny Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4747976)
According to multiple sources within the Red Sox clubhouse, Pierzynski had become such a negative influence on the team that players approached both the Sox coaches and front office to address the problem. The common theme expressed was the catcher's seeming indifference toward his teammates and the common goals of the same organization that had relied on an all-for-one approach when winning the 2013 World Series.

Gee, where have I heard that before? Oh right.

Here:

But the real reason that Nomar had to go was because he was dragging everyone down. He was an angry athlete who wanted nothing to do with his teammates and nothing to do with the cause. The Red Sox lost a great bat yesterday, but they liberated 24 players who can move forward with the traditional understanding that everyone in the clubhouse is working toward a common goal.

And here:

Ramirez will be forever remembered in this town as a baseball hero and an unpleasant citizen, one who could only be bothered when it was convenient for him, the complete antithesis of a team player.

He’s gone, somebody else’s problem now. And with the pangs of regret for having to surrender so much, you’d better believe there’s a sigh of relief today in all corners of Yawkey Way.
   27. Flynn Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4747979)
You missed out the disgraceful Bob Hohler article from 2011 where it was implied that Terry Francona's pill habit made him unfit to manage.
   28. pthomas Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4747980)
The Sox sound like a tween girls soccer team. No offense to the tween girls.
   29. Danny Posted: July 10, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4747982)
Sure, yeah, I don't think it should be a surprise to anyone that you can be a colossal jerk and keep your job as long as you can hit. Albert Belle and Barry Bonds weren't baking cupcakes for old ladies on their off days.

Bonds is probably not a great example given how his career ended.
   30. The Good Face Posted: July 10, 2014 at 01:01 PM (#4747984)
#15 is the best Keefe post in quite some time. Bravo!

John Lackeys Cake Hole would make a pretty good user handle now that I think about it...
   31. Danny Posted: July 10, 2014 at 01:06 PM (#4747993)
From the dugout, he would yell across the field at the opposition, or ridicule umpires during replay challenges. It made many cringe. This wasn’t the Red Sox way, the one that a World Series run had been built on.

Yeah, real 2013 World Series Champion Team-First Boston Red Sox like David Ross would never do anything like that.
   32. winnipegwhip Posted: July 10, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4748004)
Pierzynski went to Lucchino and Farrell and stated:

"Cashman and Girardi want to arrange a meeting about the Pineda incident. It will be at my place. I can arrange security.

Piezynski walks away."



Lucchino (to Farrell): They want to arrange a meeting between me and Cashman. On Pierzynski's ground. Where I'll be safe.

Farrell: Pierzynski. I always thought it would be Ross.

Lucchino: It's the smart move. Pierzynski was always smarter.
   33. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: July 10, 2014 at 01:37 PM (#4748011)
Though I suppose there's a decent chance they would've used the blood of infants as an ingredient, so perhaps it's just as well.

Someone has to find a use for all the children that should be taken away from people.
   34. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: July 10, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4748020)
The Red Sox have no business acting surprised that AJ Pierzynski behaved for them like he behaved for every other team that's ever employed him, and trashing him on the way out the door is the Red Sox way.


FTFY
   35. Dale Sams Posted: July 10, 2014 at 02:11 PM (#4748032)
Pierzynski went to Lucchino and Farrell and stated:

"Cashman and Girardi want to arrange a meeting about the Pineda incident. It will be at my place. I can arrange security.

Piezynski walks away."



Lucchino (to Farrell): They want to arrange a meeting between me and Cashman. On Pierzynski's ground. Where I'll be safe.

Farrell: Pierzynski. I always thought it would be Ross.

Lucchino: It's the smart move. Pierzynski was always smarter.


(Pedroia locks door)

Cherington: "It occurs to me AJ, that I have not yet given my daughter a present suitable for this occasion"

(Ren Fair band starts to play 'Dirty Water')
   36. winnipegwhip Posted: July 10, 2014 at 02:18 PM (#4748036)
David Ortiz outside the front offices on draft day.

(talking to himself). Mr. Lucchino, I am honored and grateful that you have invited me to your office on this draft day for your farm system. And may their first slugger be a righthanded slugger.
   37. villageidiom Posted: July 10, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4748051)
David Ortiz outside the front offices on draft day.
No, no, no. The correct reference would be:

David Ortiz: "Leave the bat. Take the cannolis."
   38. zonk Posted: July 10, 2014 at 02:57 PM (#4748078)
It's really odd to me that AJ seems to have quickly worn out his welcome on every stop except Chicago's south side... Is that just the product of a title? A product of Ozzie Guillen, who seems to pretty much be a pea from the same pod as Perogi, or what?

Oh yeah, and that's a mighty fine Keefe...
   39. winnipegwhip Posted: July 10, 2014 at 02:57 PM (#4748079)
John Henry (to his current wife): Our club president helped Stephen Drew come back to the Red Sox.

His wife: "Really. How?"

Henry: "Last fall, Lucchino went to Drew's agent with a one year contract for $14.1 million." His agent refused. So this spring he returned with David Ross and after one hour the agent agreed to a one year contract for $10 million."

"How did he do that?"

"Our club president made him an offer he couldn't refuse. Ross held a gun to Boras' head and Lucchino said either Drew's signature or Boras' brains would be on the paper. That's my club president Linda. That isn't me."
   40. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 10, 2014 at 02:58 PM (#4748080)
When was the last time a Red Sox star left the team on a good note, without the FO feeding the media salacious dirt?
   41. Al Kaline Trio Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4748085)
Worse than anybody could have imagined? I think that award goes to Manny wiping his ass with towels and pushing an elderly employee down the stairs right?
   42. Dale Sams Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:09 PM (#4748094)
When was the last time a Red Sox star left the team on a good note, without the FO feeding the media salacious dirt?


Ellsbury? Salty? Drew?
   43. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:10 PM (#4748095)
Worse than anybody could have imagined? I think that award goes to Manny wiping his ass with towels and pushing an elderly employee down the stairs right?


According to multiple clubhouse sources, Pierzynski wiped his ass with an elderly employee.
   44. bobm Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:16 PM (#4748100)
A.J. was famous for his cell phone pictures of fried chicken and beer.

Here's what he was looking for.
   45. JE (Jason) Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:18 PM (#4748103)
With a slash line of .230/.286/.375, no wonder the Red Sox said good riddance to that #######.

Oh wait, never mind, those are Brian McCann's numbers. :)
   46. Nasty Nate Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:19 PM (#4748104)
When was the last time a Red Sox star left the team on a good note, without the FO feeding the media salacious dirt?

Larry Lucchino: "You think too much of me, kid. I'm not that clever."
   47. winnipegwhip Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:26 PM (#4748109)
To # 40
When was the last time a Red Sox star left the team on a good note, without the FO feeding the media salacious dirt?



Hub Front Office Bids Another Player Adieu.
   48. Nasty Nate Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:41 PM (#4748126)
When was the last time a Red Sox star left the team on a good note, without the FO feeding the media salacious dirt?


A.J. is a star now?
   49. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:43 PM (#4748129)
No, but Nomar, Manny and Clemens were. Francona was, in a managerial way.
   50. Nasty Nate Posted: July 10, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4748138)
As I've said elsewhere, Lucchino's status as all-powerful puppetmaster of the Boston media must explain why he has such a beloved public image...
   51. Up2Drew Posted: July 10, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4748178)
It was fairly widely known that several members of the White Sox shed no tears watching Pierzynski head out the door. But they didn't snipe and whine and feed it to the media. (That being said, if Kenny Williams was still the GM, AJ would be the starting catcher in Chicago's lineup tomorrow.)

But, God, I'm tired of the Red Sox. I didn't realize how much I hated Boston until I watched the Cubs sweep them last week and found myself actually cheering for the Cubs.
   52. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 10, 2014 at 04:23 PM (#4748187)
It was fairly widely known that several members of the White Sox shed no tears watching Pierzynski head out the door. But they didn't snipe and whine and feed it to the media.


"It was fairly widely known" even though they didn't tell anyone? If it was fairly widely known it sounds like someone somewhere was sniping and whining.
   53. Nasty Nate Posted: July 10, 2014 at 04:24 PM (#4748190)
Edit: nevermind
   54. Dale Sams Posted: July 10, 2014 at 04:31 PM (#4748198)
Lol....Gammons says some Red Sox vets are complaining about their kids not being able to play in the outfield during batting practice cause Betts and Holt need reps.
   55. WillYoung Posted: July 10, 2014 at 05:21 PM (#4748242)
It's really odd to me that AJ seems to have quickly worn out his welcome on every stop except Chicago's south side... Is that just the product of a title? A product of Ozzie Guillen, who seems to pretty much be a pea from the same pod as Perogi, or what?


He never wore out his welcome with the Twins. Instead they had this pansy-ass banjo hitting prospect coming up and got a pretty sweet offer for him.
   56. cardsfanboy Posted: July 10, 2014 at 05:32 PM (#4748255)
Molina out for eight weeks...think the Cardinals are going to give AJ/Red Sox a call? Maybe AJ and Peavy now becomes part of a package. (mind you, I have no idea why Peavy is supposedly pursued by the Cardinals)
   57. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: July 10, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4748275)
mind you, I have no idea why Peavy is supposedly pursued by the Cardinals


Reading between the lines on a lot of these stories and it seems like the guy teams want is Lackey and the guy the Sox want to move is Peavy. I hope we don't deal Lackey who should be a good bet next year but I can't imagine anyone giving us anything useful for Peavy. Nick Cafardo keeps acting as if the Cards would give up Craig for Peavy which I would be shocked by. I know he's had a down year but man that seems like it would be an awful trade for St. Louis.

Of course as I noted earlier if the Cards DO make that deal I'd bet on Craig truly being toast. The Cards don't make too many bad calls.
   58. Nasty Nate Posted: July 10, 2014 at 05:59 PM (#4748278)
Molina out for eight weeks...think the Cardinals are going to give AJ/Red Sox a call? Maybe AJ and Peavy now becomes part of a package. (mind you, I have no idea why Peavy is supposedly pursued by the Cardinals)


I think they could probably wait until AJ is released and get him for the minimum or close to it; unless the Sox can successfully bluff that they have other offers.
   59. cardsfanboy Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:04 PM (#4748281)
Of course as I noted earlier if the Cards DO make that deal I'd bet on Craig truly being toast. The Cards don't make too many bad calls.


A little too pessimistic for my tastes, Craig is signed for several years at a medium cost, while the Cardinals have lots of bats knocking on the door. Cardinals were probably going to try and trade Craig during the off season anyway. As it stands Adams has proven himself enough at first, both offensively and defensively that the Cardinals would be comfortable with signing him for another 3-5 years. Regardless of the numbers, Taveras is not out matched at the major league level and will finish the year as the starter in right, Craig has been solid defensively in right, but he's not good there and nobody expects him to be, he needs to be moved either back to first or even third.

Heck, if you move Craig away from John Mabry(Cardinals hitting coach) it's very likely his numbers will rebound as this "hit the ball how you are pitched" philosophy hasn't been working for him this year. I think Craig will rebound, just that the Cardinals have too many major league players to wait on him. Even getting rid of Craig, they still have to find playing time for Holliday, Bourjos, Jay, and Taveras this season, and add Piscotty and Grichuk next season.
   60. RJ in TO Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:07 PM (#4748284)
unless the Sox can successfully bluff that they have other offers.


An offer to go #### themselves is technically another offer.
   61. esseff Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:11 PM (#4748288)
I think they could probably wait until AJ is released and get him for the minimum or close to it; unless the Sox can successfully bluff that they have other offers.


Or make a waiver claim and let the Red Sox pay him. Unless you think someone else with higher priority might make a claim.
   62. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:13 PM (#4748290)
Is that just the product of a title?


No, it's the product of the other teams having better catching prospects ready for promotion. The White Sox still don't have a good catching prospect although Nieto looks like he may be adequate.

This "wearing out welcome" stuff is pure nonsense; fairy-tale pabulum for the unwashed masses. You have to be Milton Bradley-level insane to wear out your welcome in pro sports. A.J. was released because he stunk.

The bigger story is the wasted money on Stephen Drew.
   63. Nasty Nate Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:20 PM (#4748295)
Or make a waiver claim and let the Red Sox pay him. Unless you think someone else with higher priority might make a claim.


I think the claiming team would have to pay him.
   64. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:22 PM (#4748297)
Nate is correct. Once the waivers expire any team can sign him for whatever they agree upon and the Red Sox have to pay the difference to meet their contractual obligation. But the waiver claim is for picking up the contract.
   65. esseff Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4748301)
Yes, I know. I got it backward.
   66. cardsfanboy Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:27 PM (#4748302)
Nate is correct. Once the waivers expire any team can sign him for whatever they agree upon and the Red Sox have to pay the difference to meet their contractual obligation. But the waiver claim is for picking up the contract.


Exactly. That is why I was thinking the Cardinals would trade for him, assuming they were pretty close in the talks with Peavy. If the deal for Peavy was nearly completed, this could push the Cardinals to "upping" the offer to get AJ(without having to deal with him having the choice of who he wants to play for) while the Red Sox would still pay his salary. (Can't imagine anybody picking up much more than minimum of his salary)
   67. cardsfanboy Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4748305)
This "wearing out welcome" stuff is pure nonsense; fairy-tale pabulum for the unwashed masses. You have to be Milton Bradley-level insane to wear out your welcome in pro sports. A.J. was released because he stunk.


I don't know if I agree with that, at least in regards to the catcher position. I agree with the sentiment of course, but catcher is a lot different than other positions and have to deal with the pitchers, on the Cardinals (and I'm assuming many other teams) the catcher is the defacto on field manager(And I thought that AJ himself has made a claim like that in the past) pitching coach, and has to be the single most prepared player on the team, even more than the starting pitcher. If AJ isn't taking those aspects of the job seriously anymore, I could see him wearing out his welcome. I have no idea if that is actually true though. As pointed out in other posts, the media could be, being manipulated by the Red Sox front office.
   68. Swedish Chef Posted: July 10, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4748311)
You have to be Milton Bradley-level insane to wear out your welcome in pro sports. A.J. was released because he stunk.

There are catchers who have hung around for a decade hitting like #### all that time. An OPS+ of 76 would be a career year for Jeff Mathis, he's still getting jobs.
   69. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: July 10, 2014 at 07:15 PM (#4748330)
As pointed out in other posts, the media could be, being manipulated by the Red Sox front office.


But I don't buy that angle either. The media can't really be that naiive, especially with the sheer number of similar-sounding stories. I think Boston sports media just loves these gossipy angles because it sells to Red Sox Nation. I say this because in Chicago we often get similar angles on Cubs stories like this and rarely get them on White Sox stories (Ozzie Guillen really got ridden hard on the way out, except for one rather sycophantic writer). I think the media knows how to sell to each fan base.

It's not like White Sox fans didn't know A.J.'s clubhouse nickname was "Satan". But someone like Paul Konerko can just tell every newcomer "Yeah, A.J.'s a verbal bully, just give it right back to him and he's harmless" and the clubhouse cancer excuse is moot. Because like it or not, A.J. is trying to win as much as anyone else on the club, probably more than most. The Peavy game in Chicago this year was great, watching A.J. and Jake yell at each other between pitches. Two "strong personalities", shall we say?
   70. cardsfanboy Posted: July 10, 2014 at 07:36 PM (#4748347)
But I don't buy that angle either. The media can't really be that naiive, especially with the sheer number of similar-sounding stories. I think Boston sports media just loves these gossipy angles because it sells to Red Sox Nation. I say this because in Chicago we often get similar angles on Cubs stories like this and rarely get them on White Sox stories (Ozzie Guillen really got ridden hard on the way out, except for one rather sycophantic writer). I think the media knows how to sell to each fan base.


I'm not arguing for or against anything on this issue, I was just pointing out that I don't agree with the assessment that a player has to be Milton Bradley bad to wear his welcome out on a team. (Doesn't mean he won't get another chance, and doesn't mean that the reported issues are actually true.)
   71. villageidiom Posted: July 10, 2014 at 07:54 PM (#4748362)
When was the last time a Red Sox star left the team on a good note, without the FO feeding the media salacious dirt?


If we're going to use "AJ Pierzynski" as the standard for "Red Sox star", then it's been a while.

Grady Sizemore
Ryan Dempster
Jacoby Ellsbury
Stephen Drew
Jarrod Saltalamacchia
Joel Hanrahan
Andrew Bailey
Alfredo Aceves
Jose Contreras
Ryan Sweeney
Lyle Overbay
Mark Melancon
Scott Atchison
Cody Ross*
Scott Podsednik
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Vincente Padilla
James Loney
Mike Aviles

* Ross objected in the media to the way the team conducted negotiations. This was interpreted as the Red Sox FO badmouthing a player in the media, because reasons.

I'm assuming there were stories after the Punto trade. There was plenty of media speculation immediately afterward that Beckett was part of the chicken & beer brigade. But otherwise I don't recall anything that came out afterward (about them, from team sources) that wasn't well known beforehand. (EDIT: Wait, I recall they started filling in names on the midseason confrontation with Valentine and ownership, saying that Adrian Gonzalez was the one who reached out on behalf of other players to initiate the discussion. That's not really tearing down Gonzalez, but it can qualify as "salacious dirt". That aside...)

Mark Prior

There was crap said about Kelly Shoppach when he was let go.

Bobby Jenks
Kevin Youkilis
Marlon Byrd
Marco Scutaro
Jed Lowrie
Josh Reddick
Erik Bedard
JD Drew
Jason Varitek
Tim Wakefield
Jonathan Papelbon
Joey Gathright
Hideki Okajima
Kevin Millwood
Mike Cameron
Anthony Rizzo
Carlos Delgado
Bill Hall
Victor Martinez
Mike Lowell
Adrian Beltre
Manny Delcarmen
Alan Embree
Casey Kotchman
Paul Byrd
Alex Gonzalez
Billy Wagner
Nick Green
Jason Bay**

** Bay complained to the media after signing with the Mets that the Red Sox in negotiations said he was an injury risk. The Red Sox took the high road. This was still seen as the FO taking the initiative to badmouth a player, because the narrative must be fed.

Rocco Baldelli
Takashi Saito
Brad Penny
John Smoltz
Justin Masterson
Mark Kotsay
Julio Lugo
Coco Crisp
Mike Timlin
Curt Schilling
Bartolo Colon
Sean Casey
Alex Cora

...and that brings us back to Manny Ramirez.

Worse than anybody could have imagined? I think that award goes to Manny wiping his ass with towels and pushing an elderly employee down the stairs right?
Of those two stories about Manny, IIRC the first came out during his time in Boston but came from a former teammate (unclear if he was a teammate in Boston or Cleveland), and the second was reported to the FO by the media, not the other way around. (Beat writers witnessed it.)

The FO did plenty to rip him while he was still with the team, not nearly as much after he was gone. Still...
   72. winnipegwhip Posted: July 10, 2014 at 07:55 PM (#4748368)
Aj could be bad in the clubhouse. But he ain't chad curtis. Not yet.......
   73. The Yankee Clapper Posted: July 10, 2014 at 09:30 PM (#4748448)
From a distance, it appears that everyone just casually hates Pierzynski, but no one really hates him with any kind of passion. Tough to thread the needle like that - have to admire A.J.'s "consistency".
   74. Ray (RDP) Posted: July 10, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4748512)
This "wearing out welcome" stuff is pure nonsense; fairy-tale pabulum for the unwashed masses. You have to be Milton Bradley-level insane to wear out your welcome in pro sports. A.J. was released because he stunk.


You'd think people would get the clue that the "wearing out welcome" stuff was nonsensical at some point after his 1700th career game at catcher, in a career that has spanned from ages 21-37. But some people are really slow, and really dumb.

He has exactly as many career games at catcher (1742) as Johnny Bench (who is the first name I grabbed). But AJ "wore out his welcome" at every stop along the way. Sure he did. Took six years to "wear out his welcome" in Minnesota. Took eight years in Chicago.

He looked at his cell phone during as another player was talking to reporters! OH -- MY GOD!

You wonder what goes through peoples' minds sometimes, just regurgitating party lines they hear from beat writers.
   75. theboyqueen Posted: July 11, 2014 at 01:07 AM (#4748545)
Is there a single likable thing about this current Red Sox team? It's too bad they suck, otherwise they might be worth hating. How does a team that plays half its games in Fenway manage to score the fewest runs in the league? That's downright artful.
   76. morineko Posted: July 11, 2014 at 01:38 AM (#4748548)
71) I wouldn't exactly call the way Jenks and Schilling went out a "good note" due to all the medical shenanigans that went on but that was more them blasting the FO in the media than the other way around.

And anything that came out of the Valentine season, well...at least Mark Melancon for Brock Holt turned out to be a decent trade.
   77. Chip Posted: July 11, 2014 at 02:51 AM (#4748556)
Fenway had a negative park factor last season and again this season. Ranked 20th in MLB last year at 0.960 and is currently 16th at 0.993. It's actually pretty amazing that last year's offense managed to run away with the run scoring title despite this.
   78. Howie Menckel Posted: July 11, 2014 at 07:35 AM (#4748573)

Seems like AJ would be a good fit backing up McCann on the Yankees, on so many levels.
   79. McCoy Posted: July 11, 2014 at 08:15 AM (#4748579)
Fenway played neutral for the hitters last year.

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